National Novel Writing Month

edited December 2011 in General Chat
For those who don't know: National Novel Writing Month is a yearly challenge in which participants write at least 50,000 words of a story in November.

Anyone else doing it this year? The forums just came back up, so I'm excited. Last year was the first year I succeeded and properly enjoyed myself, and I'm hoping to succeed again.

Don't know what I'm writing about yet, exactly. I have a setting, and it's science fiction themed, but I don't really have a plot or characters.
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  • edited October 2010
    I think this came as something that basically would be my calling.

    But I really need to think about this. And with thinking I'm not talking about the subject. I'm thinking about time management.

    EDIT: Screw this, this is a once in a year chance. I'm a god damn author!

    Also, I absolutely have no idea what I'm going to write, and quite frankly, I only want to know on day one.
  • edited October 2010
    50,000 words in 30 days is 1,667 words a day. I can do that in one or two hours when I'm not worrying about the quality of the writing, so it doesn't take up too much time a day.

    Some people have written a million words in November, but I don't know how they managed that.
  • edited October 2010
    My problem is time management conflicting with me not thinking I'm good enough. Luckily, I always have great ideas.

    You know, the only thing that I'm not sure about is whether I should write in English or Dutch.
  • edited October 2010
    The whole point of NaNo is to get you writing whether you think you're good enough or not, so you're not the only one.

    I'm definitely planning out some characters and a general plot. I tried coming up with it as I went along, and it... didn't work.
  • edited October 2010
    Well, problem with me is, I have about a dozen ideas for story. Aside from the Legend of Ertar (which is written in its entirety in Dutch), I also have several unnamed projects, some of which are based on cosmic horror stories, others which are more fit as television series, some even more fit for video games (the Legend of Ertar was supposed to be an RPG made in RPG Maker), and some which are just generally random and pretty not for kids.

    And then there's this massive crossover story with all characters I've created, since most of them are in the same universe anyway.
  • edited October 2010
    I glanced at the title and inititially assumed this was a doodo thread
  • edited October 2010
    I tried it once when I was 12. I think I might try it again. I need to come up with a plot now.

    1st person is my best style, and it will no doubt be humour.
    I've made one good 3rd person story, and that needs to be edited because I made a part that makes you just say "Why?", The reason, because the guy was bored
  • edited October 2010
    I prefer third person limited. It's fun to filter the descriptions through the character's perceptions and biases.
    JedExodus wrote: »
    I glanced at the title and inititially assumed this was a doodo thread
    Huh? Why?
  • edited October 2010
    I usually do stream-of-consciousness writing for NaNo. It's a great way to go back and pick out themes you never would have written down otherwise. Sometimes I just can't tell if I'm onto something unless I have it written down in front of me.
  • edited October 2010
    Shwoo wrote: »
    Huh? Why?

    Before I learnt what NaNoWriMo actually meant I looked at it and thought "ahhh, more weird stuff, i'll save that for last :)"

    Somewhat on subject though, it's my ambition someday to write a sitcom. Thusly becoming a shallow husk of a man when nobody finds it funny
  • edited October 2010
    I might participate. I feel like I need some motivation to get on with my writing or, more specifically, lack thereof. Yeah... I'm more of a thinker; I spend months ironing out all the details of the basic and then get hung up on some little plot incontinuity after I've written a chapter.
  • edited October 2010
    JedExodus wrote: »
    Before I learnt what NaNoWriMo actually meant I looked at it and thought "ahhh, more weird stuff, i'll save that for last :)"

    Somewhat on subject though, it's my ambition someday to write a sitcom. Thusly becoming a shallow husk of a man when nobody finds it funny

    Somehow, at first I thought it was an abbreviation for "Nah, no Wiimote.", but this does sound interesting. I like to write sometimes, might give this a try.
  • edited October 2010
    NaNoWriMo always makes me think of Nanaimo bars.

    I think it's really good for people who want to finish something. Write, write, don't worry about what you write, and at the end of the month, go back and fix it all. A lot of people start writing and never finish anything, and finishing your first piece is a pretty important step. Nanowrimo doesn't force you to finish, but it forces you to keep writing forward instead of being stuck fixing the same thing over and over again.

    This being said I've never taken part in it and I probably won't. Good luck to everyone who does, though.
  • edited October 2010
    Avistew wrote: »
    NaNoWriMo always makes me think of Nanaimo bars.

    I think it's really good for people who want to finish something. Write, write, don't worry about what you write, and at the end of the month, go back and fix it all. A lot of people start writing and never finish anything, and finishing your first piece is a pretty important step. Nanowrimo doesn't force you to finish, but it forces you to keep writing forward instead of being stuck fixing the same thing over and over again.

    This being said I've never taken part in it and I probably won't. Good luck to everyone who does, though.
    And that's what I think this thing is about. And I find it sad that some fellow Dutchmen just don't realize this. It really is a shame.

    Sure, in the end it's all about quality, but that's not the point. Quality comes when you have quantity. After you have some considerable amount of pages, then you could possibly work on improving the quality. And even if you never look back at your project again, it's always nice to know you actually finished something.
  • edited October 2010
    Finishing definitely is an important step. Then you can work on cutting out the parts that suck, or even start over, but with something to hang on to and go back to. It's really good too teach people that perfect doesn't exist. That Better is the enemy of Good. And that if you want to publish books, you have to write.

    A lot of people think about it, weigh every word, but in the end don't really write at all. I've just come back from a convention where I met authors, and guess what, they all write. They don't wait for inspiration. Often it comes after you've started writing. Sometimes it doesn't come, but you write anyways. If it's going to be your job, set your schedule and work every day, and do it. It's an important step, and that's what going to make the difference between a hobby and a career - even if you need another job to support yourself.

    When you read or hear writers talk, that's one shocking thing. I remember one author who explained he had set 8 hours a day, every day (no weekend) to writing. One day a week he wrote a full short story. Had to finish it that day, write it all from start to finish.
    And that was when he had a full-time job.
    His first novel, when he finished it, was ten times the size it was when he published it. He said the mistake most writers make at first is writing too much. And when I see all of my friends' first novels, well it's true that they tend to be a thousand or two thousand pages long.
    But once he finished it, he could work on removing the "non-essential" parts. Streamlining it. Being more concise. Once everything was in there, he could work on making it understood in another way, implying rather than saying, etc.

    You don't get things perfect from the first draft. How many artists start with the inking? Or even the colouring, before putting lines on the paper? People sometimes want their first draft to be great, but the thing is, you're likely to need 5 or 6 drafts, especially at first.
    Of course, you don't want to fall into the "start over every time" problem either. But you have more luck succeeding by writing, then fixing, than by trying to write it right from the start. Just think of all the things that might change in your story by the time you finish it. They'll require you to add or remove stuff in earlier chapters, if the earlier chapters are already "perfect", how do you add to or remove from them?

    Anyways, different people will work differently, there isn't one method that works for everyone, but for people who can never finish anything, Nanowrimo's a good way to try and work on that. If you show me a finished work that's awesome, and you tell me "I wrote it right from the first try, and I wrote it backwards, from the last word to the first one" I'm not going to tell you you did it wrong, because obviously that worked for you. But if you tell me "I want to write a book starting with the last word and working my way to the first one, and get it right from the first try", I'm going to look at you weird.
    Can't argue with results, but when there are no results, maybe it's time to question the method.
  • edited October 2010
    Well, that sure gave me the extra boost to work on my novel again. That is, after I'm done with NaNoWriMo.
  • edited October 2010
    Maybe I will do NaNoWriMo. Who know, maybe my novel idea can flesh out more now. Probably not, it was a pretty bad idea. But maybe I could actually do a Ranger Newman story.
  • EmilyEmily Telltale Alumni
    edited October 2010
    I did it last year. It was awesome in the sense that I learned I could write a sh*tload of words in a mere 30 days. But it kind of sucked in the sense that afterward, I was left with a novel that had been written very quickly, without much thought about the plot and who the characters were, and I found it very difficult to get motivated to work on a second draft. (That isn't necessarily due to NaNoWriMo, it could just be because it wasn't the right novel for me to be working on. But the lesson learned was that my ability to write a sloppy draft in a month didn't magically make writing any easier in the months that followed.)

    I think I'll do it again this year, but not with the goal of writing a full draft of a novel. I'll stick to the word count and attempt to write 50,000+ words in November, but will give myself permission to skip around in the story (which is almost always how I write, not from beginning to end as I did during NaNoWriMo last year) and not freak out if/when Thanksgiving comes and goes and I still don't know how it's going to end. Unlike last year, I'd like to end up with some writing I don't hate and never want to touch again...
  • edited October 2010
    Emily wrote: »
    (which is almost always how I write, not from beginning to end as I did during NaNoWriMo last year)

    That's great to hear! All of the stories I've managed to finish, I wrote in a non-linear way. Unlike you though, I have the whole story in mind before I start writing. Then it's just a matter of writing whichever scene I feel like at the time. Since I know what happens before and after, it's not a problem. I usually have one sentence descriptions of the scenes in between and I just write them as they come to me.

    I tried writing in a linear way to put it online one chapter at a time, but I'm having a lot of trouble with that. I think I'll yield, write the future scenes that are coming to me (often it makes it much easier to write stuff that happens earlier on), and that will just create some kind of buffer I guess.

    I'd like to get back into short stories, too. I haven't written them for a while, every time I talk about an idea I had, I'm told it's "a shame" to "waste it" on a short story, because the idea is novel material... But as a result I'm not writing these ideas at all so whatever, I think I'll do it. I can always expend them into novels later if I want. And I like writing short stories much better I have to say.
  • edited October 2010
    I'm planning on participating this year. I'm excited! I tried to do it last year, too, but abandoned it halfway through the month because it was taking up too much time compared to my school work. This year, though, I have a lighter workload, so I'm hoping to finish, or at least get a lot closer. Even if whatever I churn out ends up being awful, I'll still have a story written.

    I've worked out a basic plot and setting so far, and am nearly done naming/figuring out all the main characters. I want to get a little more organized before November comes around, though.
  • edited October 2010
    I tend to not have the literary mental focus to keep working on one topic the entirety of Nat'l Novel Writer's Month (I've tried and failed in years past), so what I ended up doing last year is variations on a theme. It left me with some very interesting short pieces at the end of the month.
  • edited October 2010
    Well, it seems that my story idea will probably end up as an RTS in the far future. Because the story lends itself for it.
  • EmilyEmily Telltale Alumni
    edited November 2010
    Hey hey! It's November, how are all the NaNoWriMo'ers doing?

    I was sick this week so I got off to a kind of rocky start. Was at around 4100 words as of this morning. I've set a goal to get caught up today -- I'm at 6865 now, so I only need about 3100 to get back to where I'm supposed to be. That's doable, no?

    I do have a general idea of where this story is heading, but something I learned writing my first (completed) novel is that the story doesn't always end up where you think it will, and trying to force it to end up there is a huge waste of time. I more or less rewrote my entire novel in the ~2 years after I thought it was done, and while a lot of it stayed basically the same, there were some big changes I wouldn't have anticipated during the 5 years I was initially working on it. So this time around I'm trying not to obsess too much about not knowing how certain pieces fit together -- and I'm especially not going to obsess on getting early chapters "perfect" before moving on to later stuff -- because I have no doubt that they'll be completely reworked when all's said and done.

    (I had the first chapter, which was written outside of NaNoWriMo, critiqued last week by my writing group and they gave me a lot of good suggestions for rewrites that I'm simply tabling for now, to come back to later. When I think about how much time I wasted rewriting and rewriting early chapters that later on ended up getting tossed in the trash, it makes my brain hurt...)

    Anyway... gotta get back to catching up on my word count. :D But if there are others participating I'd love to hear how it's going for you -- maybe we can commiserate throughout the month.

    ps This post is 300+ words. Multiply it by ten and I'd be all caught up!

    Oh, and I meant to respond to this:
    I'd like to get back into short stories, too. I haven't written them for a while, every time I talk about an idea I had, I'm told it's "a shame" to "waste it" on a short story, because the idea is novel material... But as a result I'm not writing these ideas at all so whatever, I think I'll do it. I can always expend them into novels later if I want. And I like writing short stories much better I have to say.

    You're wasting the idea if you don't explore it, in whatever format. I'm like this too -- I avoid writing because I get too worried that I'm on the wrong track. All you end up with by doing that is no writing at all. I'm also good at writing short stories that people think should be novels, and maybe someday they will be. The novel I actually finished started out as a short story that I wrote in college in 1998; I started working on the novel in 2002 and finished it in 2009 -- more than ten years after I jotted down the original idea. Had I never written that short story, would the novel have been written at all...?
  • edited November 2010
    I'm at about 1,500. I suck.
  • edited November 2010
    I decided to give it a go, and am currently at 7,218. I am never going to make it to 50,000 though. Not because I can't keep up with amount I'm meant to be writing (I have suprised myself so far), but because my story is almost over. I really don't think I can stretch my ending into 40,000 words.

    In other words, I suck too.
  • edited November 2010
    jeeno0142 wrote: »
    I decided to give it a go, and am currently at 7,218. I am never going to make it to 50,000 though. Not because I can't keep up with amount I'm meant to be writing (I have suprised myself so far), but because my story is almost over. I really don't think I can stretch my ending into 40,000 words.

    In other words, I suck too.

    You can write several stories. Finish that one and start another one. There is no rule saying everything you write need to be one story, as far as I know.
  • edited November 2010
    Yeah, that's also what I thought. Not that I would do that, though. I have way too many ideas in my head for that to happen.
  • edited November 2010
    Avistew wrote: »
    You can write several stories. Finish that one and start another one. There is no rule saying everything you write need to be one story, as far as I know.

    That's an interesting idea. I'll see how it goes. Really, I'll be glad to have created one story. I'm not a writer, but it's fun to let the imagination run wild once in a while!
  • edited November 2010
    You could make it so the only thing connecting them is the characters.
  • EmilyEmily Telltale Alumni
    edited November 2010
    That's actually how one woman in my writing group started her novel. She was intimidated by the idea of writing a novel so she started writing interconnected short stories. It's since turned into a novel... a damn good one. :D

    I'm up to 9175 words, and plan to knock out the last 800 or so before bed so I'll be all caught up for tomorrow. Feeling pretty satisfied!
  • edited November 2010
    I've unfortunately not been able to get a start on my NaNoWriMo count yet because of school work. Going to try and fix that this week though.
  • edited October 2011
    So after much consideration I have decided to join this year, I am almost certain I won't make it but I will mostly do it for the fun.
    I love to write stories and here is my excuse to finally write and not really care about how good it looks, but mainly focus on getting all my ideas out. :)

    Anyone else joining this year?
  • edited October 2011
    Hell of a resurrection, but at least it's for a good cause!

    It depends on my situation, but I'll certainly try and give it a go. I really do need to get back into my writing - I've pretty much dropped it, which is a shame, as I enjoy it. I've a fair bit on my plate at the moment, but if it's cleared up, then I'll be taking part.
  • edited October 2011
    Does it count if I finish the one I started last year in this month? Actually, given my rate of writing...that's rather unlikely.
  • edited October 2011
    I stayed at 1,500 words for the majority of last year. This happens with everything I write. Go on Fanfiction.net and look at my Deadpool fanfic. I posted that really early in the year. You'll see what I mean.
  • edited October 2011
  • EmilyEmily Telltale Alumni
    edited October 2011
    I'm in! Last year I tried to write 50,000 words on the novel I was just starting on, and failed miserably. I was still figuring out what it was about and I don't think I was ready for that yet. 50,000 words in a month is an awful lot. (For me, anyway. I'm a slow writer. :p)

    Fast forward a year, I have four solid chapters (100 pages -- almost 30k words) plus a ton of notes/ideas and an outline for the rest of the novel. It's taken me a year to really nail down the beginning and understand what I'm writing about. (And I also know I've been lazy, I could have done more.) So I'm going to try it again, writing daily and following the outline, and see how much I can get out. If I end up with 50,000 (or, hey, even 30,000) words of "raw" material that takes me farther into the book, it'll be a huge achievement.

    Anyway, yeah. Rah rah and all that. My username is fov if anyone wants to be NaNoWriMo friends. :D
  • edited October 2011
    Hmm... How many pages do you think 50,000 words are? Y'know, in average.

    Never really finished writing a story, but I might attempt one. Though, I'm not much of a novel-reader (Hitchhiker's Guide, Discworld and Lemony Snicket's ASoUE, that's it) so I don't know much about telling a story through nothing but words.
  • edited October 2011
    I've begun to work on EBB.
  • edited October 2011
    I don't know if I'll participate this year. I still have my about 1500 years from last year, I've started a thousand different things, none of which have been finished.

    I'm great with concepts, I'm horrible at fleshing things out.
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