Might indivudalism represent levels of superficiality when(........)?

edited December 2010 in General Chat
Might indivudalism represent levels of superficiality when using positive, negative descriptive words? Might everything be validated because it exists? There's social relevance, intellectual property that may at least partially represent an indivudals indviduality but might it represent a level of superficiality?

Might it? Thoughts?

Examples:


"Metal music is AWESOME!"
"Metal music sucks..."

Are the descpritive words really even relevant?

Comments

  • edited December 2010
    Likes and dislikes are the children of pragmatism. Personal benefits and/or damage done by a spesific thing surfaces itself as likes and dislikes. If it makes too big of a difference it permanently builds your life and you don't even think about those aspects because you're too used to them (examples being living in a house, you know, you don't say "i like living in a house" but it's almost apparent that you really like it).

    Likewise, the least important and/or luxury aspects in one's life are the generally thought ideas, because they're in the edge and haven't decided that if they add to one's being or harm the said person. The taste of music borns from there, for example, whichever genre you choose it always adds to one thing and harms another, so choice between people is almost random, hence the variety. So if one aims for a social place they build a like for techno and R&B (or other edgy genres for other social groupings) but this also affects their individualism in a negative way. And if one aims for creativity and inspirations they usually choose classical music or metal music, yet this usually ends up with hatred and irritation towards every other people that doesn't care about creativity or quality.

    It's not as random but it's so detailed (for taste of music the variety source starts from goals, and this might be extended to the REASON of having determined goal and this can also be extended to one's full lifetime of behaviors) you might call it random because human mind isn't capable of thinking that convoluted.
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    Falanca wrote: »
    Likes and dislikes are the children of pragmatism. Personal benefits and/or damage done by a spesific thing surfaces itself as likes and dislikes. If it makes too big of a difference it permanently builds your life and you don't even think about those aspects because you're too used to them (examples being living in a house, you know, you don't say "i like living in a house" but it's almost apparent that you really like it).

    Likewise, the least important and/or luxury aspects in one's life are the generally thought ideas, because they're in the edge and haven't decided that if they add to one's being or harm the said person. The taste of music borns from there, for example, whichever genre you choose it always adds to one thing and harms another, so choice between people is almost random, hence the variety. So if one aims for a social place they build a like for techno and R&B (or other edgy genres for other social groupings) but this also affects their individualism in a negative way. And if one aims for creativity and inspirations they usually choose classical music or metal music, yet this usually ends up with hatred and irritation towards every other people that doesn't care about creativity or quality.

    It's not as random but it's so detailed (for taste of music the variety source starts from goals, and this might be extended to the REASON of having determined goal and this can also be extended to one's full lifetime of behaviors) you might call it random because human mind isn't capable of thinking that convoluted.

    I really enjoyed reading your insights.I think you took it even further, and it's given me more to think about. LOL which means I am going to look at your post in several different lights. :) If I can.

    Thanks for the great response, bro.
    Rather Dashing, simple but effective post, thanks for sharing.
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    doodo! wrote: »
    I really enjoyed reading your insights.I think you took it even further, and it's given me more to think about. LOL which means I am going to look at your post in several different lights. :) If I can.

    Thanks for the great response, bro.

    The reason of it is that I always try approacing the problem starting from its source, yet this backfires at me in one point since I'm rarely able to come up with actual questions to answer. Unlike me you approach stuff you see around, take a subject or example, ask "Why does THAT exist?" and try to branch it out from there. Your questioning is great but you think your reasoning is not enough. I think this is why you ask such semi-philosophical questions in a forum you know that's full of different people and their opinions. Glad we help each other, though.

    Anytime dawg.
  • edited December 2010
    Here is a reply from another source that I wanted to share.
    post wrote: »
    You have to realize that all value is man-created. Good, bad, right, wrong, better, worse, and even the value of having value (attribute/predicate-based concepts) are all dependent on a man to perceive in order to have value.



    So to say that metal is good or metal is bad are both true facts, equally valid as each other, and neither are of value yet both are of value. All perceptions are of equal grounding as there's no objective standard to apply one's standard to a greater.
  • edited December 2010
    Yes, well, every form of superficiality is subjective and subjective is imperfect because it's manmade. Shouldn't stop you, though, you're human after all.
  • edited December 2010
    good/bad/neighter, nor/whether, or to see you're slowly becoming a nihilist/moral-nihilist 'doodo!'
    Shouldn't stop you,
    though, you're human
    after all
    but it would dissappoint you from human beings, right? So let's laugh at it all and sing queens bohemian rhapsody together
  • edited December 2010
    Milkman08 wrote: »
    but it would dissappoint you from human beings, right? So let's laugh at it all and sing queens bohemian rhapsody together

    Is this the reaaal life
  • edited December 2010
    Put a gun to his head, pulled the trigger and now he's dead.

    MOMMA life had just begun....

    Those are two lines I remember:D
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    But now I've gone and thrown it all AWAY.

    Momma.... ooOOooo...
  • edited December 2010
    XD
    this part is my favorite:
    anyway the wind blows, nothing really matters
  • edited December 2010
    But seriously, the funny thing is when you figure this out it seem you have nothing to but to kill yourself, but you can't cuz you don't know if anxthing happens after death or not. What if you end up in a world which is stupider than the world you already live? Huh? Would you risk that?

    PS: Sorry for double post, couldnt edit using my mobile phone's browser
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    Milkman08 wrote: »
    But seriously, the funny thing is when you figure this out it seem you have nothing to but to kill yourself, but you can't cuz you don't know if anxthing happens after death or not. What if you end up in a world which is stupider than the world you already live? Huh? Would you risk that?

    PS: Sorry for double post, couldnt edit using my mobile phone's browser

    Well, I think we're forgetting how to "enjoy" (y)ourselves.:p

    I haven't even had sex yet...so that's one reason I won't kill myself, just one of many...:)
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    Milkman08 wrote: »
    But seriously, the funny thing is when you figure this out it seem you have nothing to but to kill yourself, but you can't cuz you don't know if anxthing happens after death or not. What if you end up in a world which is stupider than the world you already live? Huh? Would you risk that?

    PS: Sorry for double post, couldnt edit using my mobile phone's browser

    The concept of afterlife is something created by human's imagination in fear of his death and therefore can't be a valid truth. Even if there is an afterlife, it's something human being can't imagine (due to having nothing to base it on, realistically) - you know like they say, "Despite all the power of human imagination, no one could imagine a kangaroo". Still, the most likely scenario is that every being when dies just shuts down like a computer. Best case scenario: energy derived from it transforms into some other form of energy and sooner or later finds itself in another living being. But I'll take my chances while I'm alive as a human, thank you.
  • edited December 2010
    Farlander wrote: »
    The concept of afterlife is something created by human's imagination in fear of his death and therefore can't be a valid truth.

    I think like it's there for ethical reasons, forcing people that can't accelerate theirselves to behave like civilized people by showing them something that they can be afraid of, alas Hell.

    But yeah, it cannot be a valid truth nevertheless.
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    I think like it's there for ethical reasons, forcing people that can't accelerate theirselves to behave like civilized people by showing them something that they can be afraid of, alas Hell.

    Those ethical reasons are constantly tampered with by humans themselves, kind of invalidating the reason why they should be there. For a more well-known example: the Crusades and the massacre in Jerusalem (and, well, other atrocities). All the Crusaders should've gone to Hell, but they were doing that because they knew (well, they were told by Pope himself) that they would go to Heaven regardless of what they do (heck, the more they kill - the better even! And the Pope is an emissary of God on Earth, so of course he's telling the truth...). And the nobles wanted some land to rule, of course.

    Which is why I like ethnical mythologies. They're more natural than the artificially created Christianity (easily used to force one's will on believing people). And they actually represented the culture of the people, instead of trampling it. Though even then there were humans who could find how to use the beliefs to their advantage.
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    Farlander wrote: »
    Those ethical reasons are constantly tampered with by humans themselves, kind of invalidating the reason why they should be there. For a more well-known example: the Crusades and the massacre in Jerusalem (and, well, other atrocities). All the Crusaders should've gone to Hell, but they were doing that because they knew (well, they were told by Pope himself) that they would go to Heaven regardless of what they do (heck, the more they kill - the better even! And the Pope is an emissary of God on Earth, so of course he's telling the truth...). And the nobles wanted some land to rule, of course.

    Which is why I like ethnical mythologies. They're more natural than the artificially created Christianity (easily used to force one's will on believing people). And they actually represented the culture of the people, instead of trampling it. Though even then there were humans who could find how to use the beliefs to their advantage.

    Well, from my standpoint, I see it like the system of "afterlife payback" was first used as an ethical brake for everyone; but then some smartpants saw that it can also be used in their favor as well so they corrupted the already-manmade-but-innocent-by-nature religion to create ease at ordering people do something. The religion wars were in the past and we also built a wayaround for such a thing to never pop up again, namely education, but it has also been exploited by such people.

    Ethnical mythologies are written/portrayed rules of shared likes and dislikes of a bunch of people. I find it unnecessary and limiting, it did force every individual to act in one way and it was against individualism. I don't like ethnics or history in the end because the way I see it, there was always either a war or strategy that was always against individualism.
  • edited December 2010
    Falanca wrote: »
    Well, from my standpoint, I see it like the system of "afterlife payback" was first used as an ethical brake for everyone; but then some smartpants saw that it can also be used in their favor as well so they corrupted the already-manmade-but-innocent-by-nature religion to create ease at ordering people do something. The religion wars were in the past and we also built a wayaround for such a thing to never pop up again, namely education, but it has also been exploited by such people.

    Well, this system's like communism - technically a good idea, but the implementation... Not the best one. Of course, it's not exploited on the scale as it was in the past. But there are still many localized exploits, so to speak. Thousands of them.
    Ethnical mythologies are written/portrayed rules of shared likes and dislikes of a bunch of people. I find it unnecessary and limiting, it did force every individual to act in one way and it was against individualism. I don't like ethnics or history in the end because the way I see it, there was always either a war or strategy that was always against individualism.

    They're written NOW (well, what we know of them, anyway). At the time ethnical mythologies were a bunch of contradicting points of view on the world - so it actually was more for individualism than against it.
  • edited December 2010
    guys, i'm not talking about aftelifd in a religious way, I'm not talking about heavem and hell. I think if there is an afterlie, it's the same thing 4 every one. If i go to a place worse than here, every one would go there. When you're skeptical about everything, you cant be sure that when we die we shut down like a computer. If you can really prove that, Then i would gladly end my life cuz i hate livin. Have an open mind about death.
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    Oh come on, guys. If you do have proof that there is no afterlife and we shutdown like a computer then tell me.
    You'll not be responsible for my suicide, i'll make it look like Bender forcefully pushed me inside of a Suicide Booth ...
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    Milkman08 wrote: »
    Oh come on, guys. If you do have proof that there is no afterlife and we shutdown like a computer then tell me.
    You'll not be responsible for my suicide, i'll make it look like Bender forcefully pushed me inside of a Suicide Booth ...

    I watch Futurama on occasion. I bought the first and second season on DVD. I was watching the new season but lost track of it, don't know if it's still going now.
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    doodo! wrote: »
    I watch Futurama on occasion. I bought the first and second season on DVD. I was watching the new season but lost track of it, don't know if it's still going now.

    The new season will continue to broadcast in 2011.

    Incidentally, one of the new season's episode, 'Lethal Inspection', became one of my favorite Futurama episodes - it looks into the questions of death, life and one's mortality, and the episode is both funny AND touching. And features one of my favorite endings. Spoilers, be ware.
    It turned out in the beginning that Bender's missing a back up unit and is effectively mortal, even though he was marked as a fully operational robot without defects, and Bender has to learn to deal with this new found information.
  • edited December 2010
    Farlander wrote: »
    The new season will continue to broadcast in 2011.

    Incidentally, one of the new season's episode, 'Lethal Inspection', became one of my favorite Futurama episodes - it looks into the questions of death, life and one's mortality, and the episode is both funny AND touching. And features one of my favorite endings. Spoilers, be ware.
    It turned out in the beginning that Bender's missing a back up unit and is effectively mortal, even though he was marked as a fully operational robot without defects, and Bender has to learn to deal with this new found information.

    I like The Late Phillip J. Fry more.
  • edited December 2010
    :) Heh ... Oh you old TTG Forums community, always changing the subject ... what? ... why are you are looking at me like that?
  • edited December 2010
    Milkman08 wrote: »
    :) Heh ... Oh you old TTG Forums community, always changing the subject ... what? ... why are you are looking at me like that?

    emotions. :) Don't "worry", be "happy"...
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    Milkman08 wrote: »
    Oh come on, guys. If you do have proof that there is no afterlife and we shutdown like a computer then tell me.
    You'll not be responsible for my suicide, i'll make it look like Bender forcefully pushed me inside of a Suicide Booth ...

    Why do you live for death? You should make the most of what you know for certain you have. Live your life now. Life sucks at times, but it is also marvelous. You have access to a computer, and just by that you have a leg up in the world.

    This is a claim that many people make when they've been raised in this thought process. I recall when I was still a religious individual I would make the claim that I would easily kill myself if I found out that none of it was true. I'm completely nonreligious now, and I've learned to appreciate life a lot more because of it.

    If you really do have issues and such, please do go see a shrink. I'm dead serious.

    Another thing, sorta a pet peeve of mine, one can't prove that there is no afterlife because you can't make an assertion out of lack of an assertion. The one that should be demonstrating proof are the ones claiming any sort of afterlife. And even then, what afterlife?
  • edited December 2010
    The big irony of life is that whatever you do - you die. Of old age, of a brick that fell on your head, of something else. And that may depress some people, question the point of living, why they live if they just can die and to hell with everything... well, you know what? That's a very selfish outlook on life.

    The point is, when YOU die - you WON'T know that you died. Just like you don't know that you're asleep until the last minute when dreams start pumping into your head and you weak up (death is not called eternal sleep for nothing). When YOU die, it's OTHERS who have to live with your death. It's others who will be saddened by your death, it's others who will grieve. YOU won't know or feel jack shit.

    So anyone's who's complaining about the meaning of life or something - should stop doing that and start thinking about making significance in the life of other people - because THAT significance is how you will be remembered. And if you manage to make other people happy while doing what you like doing in this life while you live - if you manage to balance the selfishness with selflessness (I think that both extremes are pretty bad on their own) - that makes you a happy person, and that makes your life, whatever it is/was/will be (a life of a clerk, a game developer, an engineer, a janitor, of a simple married man/woman) worth living.

    That's what I think about living and dying.
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