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The Murder

The Grey GhostThe Grey Ghost
edited June 2012 in The Walking Dead
As we saw in Episode 1, two people recognized Lee on the murder case based on just his face and first name, Carley and Larry. With murder cases being very public, do you think people the group will encounter in episode 2-5 will also recognize him/remember the case? Do you think that will lead to a situation where Lee might have to kill again to protect himself or his secret from those who would use it against him? Also do you think Ken Sr and/or Katjaa know?
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  • eblocksonianeblocksonian
    edited May 2012
    In a Zombie Apocalypse, with no media in general, people may not be quite sure who everyone else is. Besides, I would more immediately afraid of Zombies than anything else at this point (even though you should always watch your back against anything in these situations).

    I wouldn't be surprised that only a select few would keep to memory of "non-essential" information if they aren't constantly reminded of it. After all, you're going to be concerned about becoming a Zombie Snack first and foremost.
  • KazalKazal
    edited May 2012
    I think if anyone else knew they would have said. Lee is said to have killed a sitting senator so I can well imagine that not only does the state of Georgia know about it but most of the nation as well.

    I don't see Lee as the cold blooded killer type, but maybe killing in order to keep the secret is a choice the player will be forced to make. After all Carly reviled her knowledge of about Lee's past and the player got to choose her fate.

    I am sure that the mystery of Lee's past will be held in limbo up until the very end. I am sure that the honesty or dishonesty of the player will at a later time effect how the other characters react to you in a very crucial moment. I get the feeling that the player will have to trust others to get him out of a tight spot and Lee's lack of honesty or dishonesty will have a direct impact
  • eblocksonianeblocksonian
    edited May 2012
    Kazal wrote: »
    I think if anyone else knew they would have said. Lee is said to have killed a sitting senator so I can well imagine that not only does the state of Georgia know about it but most of the nation as well.

    I don't see Lee as the cold blooded killer type, but maybe killing in order to keep the secret is a choice the player will be forced to make. After all Carly reviled her knowledge of about Lee's past and the player got to choose her fate.

    I am sure that the mystery of Lee's past will be held in limbo up until the very end. I am sure that the honesty or dishonesty of the player will at a later time effect how the other characters react to you in a very crucial moment. I get the feeling that the player will have to trust others to get him out of a tight spot and Lee's lack of honesty or dishonesty will have a direct impact
    Actually, it's a STATE Senator... I think. I'm pretty sure it's not a Federal Senator. If that was the case, Almost everyone in Georgia should know Lee's face if that was the case.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited May 2012
    An interesting predicament if release date guessing thread is right we'll find out tommorow.
  • eblocksonianeblocksonian
    edited May 2012
    But on a related note, if you were loyal to Kenny's family, I doubt they would be care as much. It IS the Zombie Apocalypse, and a loyal friend who has done something wrong in hte past isn't exactly a guy to throw to the wolves. If Carly is saved, she knows already, and considering SHE didn't rat Lee out, I doubt it will affect her as much-she already mader her choice, and you already saved her. Clementine knows, sort of it.

    That leaves Lily and Larry. Everyone dislikes Larry one way or another, and everyone else would be inclined to help you otherwise. Even if they believe Larry, they might not care. That "kill Duck" incident doesn't help his case. Lee murdered someone, maybe/probably. But everyone else saw Larry CONSIDER killing a kid in front of their eyes and heard it through their ears. Who else you are going to go against? The guy who considered killing a Kid that turned out not bitten? Or the guy who killed a Senator (maybe even the wife) in a personal dispute, but one that you weren't exactly privy to all details? A hard call, but considering how Larry acted in front of them, I doubt they would be convinced, except his daughter.
  • XirscheXirsche
    edited May 2012
    eblocksonian wrote: »
    But on a related note, if you were loyal to Kenny's family, I doubt they would be care as much. It IS the Zombie Apocalypse, and a loyal friend who has done something wrong in hte past isn't exactly a guy to throw to the wolves. If Carly is saved, she knows already, and considering SHE didn't rat Lee out, I doubt it will affect her as much-she already mader her choice, and you already saved her. Clementine knows, sort of it.

    That leaves Lily and Larry. Everyone dislikes Larry one way or another, and everyone else would be inclined to help you otherwise. Even if they believe Larry, they might not care. That "kill Duck" incident doesn't help his case. Lee murdered someone, maybe/probably. But everyone else saw Larry CONSIDER killing a kid in front of their eyes and heard it through their ears. Who else you are going to go against? The guy who considered killing a Kid that turned out not bitten? Or the guy who killed a Senator (maybe even the wife) in a personal dispute, but one that you weren't exactly privy to all details? A hard call, but considering how Larry acted in front of them, I doubt they would be convinced, except his daughter.

    That's a very informative and valid point you brought up there. :D There's also the fact that Lily seems rather weary of her father's control. When not busy caring for him, she seems to be rather lively and wanting to interact with Lee and Glenn and such, and seems only to get mad when her father (either when he's insulted or he commands her to do something..think back to when he told her to shut up in the drugstore).
  • gamingafter40gamingafter40
    edited May 2012
    Personally, I'm NOT assuming that Lee actually committed the murder for which he's been convicted. It was a Senator who died, after all; someone who could have had many enemies with the political power and will to frame another person. And the brief aural flashback Lee seems to have in the barn could suggest that he woke up from a blackout of some kind to find his wife dead, and in his grief assumed he must have done it himself.

    Mind you, I'm not arguing that he DIDN'T do it; I actually think it's a more interesting story if he did. I'm just speculating -- the whole situation might not be as cut-and-dried as we are led to believe in this first episode.
  • KennelothKenneloth
    edited May 2012
    eblocksonian wrote: »
    In a Zombie Apocalypse, with no media in general, people may not be quite sure who everyone else is. Besides, I would more immediately afraid of Zombies than anything else at this point (even though you should always watch your back against anything in these situations).

    I wouldn't be surprised that only a select few would keep to memory of "non-essential" information if they aren't constantly reminded of it. After all, you're going to be concerned about becoming a Zombie Snack first and foremost.

    Agree. But we will find out soon.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited May 2012
    Kenneloth wrote: »
    Agree. But we will find out soon.

    not soon enough for me
  • tkobotkobo
    edited May 2012
    He's guilty.
    It was not only a senator,but one involved with his wife.All his guilt,all the times he talks about bad decisions hes made,all the times he anguishes over how he became distant from his family,etc...

    He may regret what he did,but that really only means he did.The whole "redemption" thing is tiring as heck,but its clearly there.
  • The_RipperThe_Ripper
    edited May 2012
    tkobo wrote: »
    He's guilty.
    It was not only a senator,but one involved with his wife.All his guilt,all the times he talks about bad decisions hes made,all the times he anguishes over how he became distant from his family,etc...

    He may regret what he did,but that really only means he did.The whole "redemption" thing is tiring as heck,but its clearly there.

    May be he regrets for leaving his family in Macon to live with his ex-wife in Atlanta. Then later he discovers she has this affaire with this senator and he would think "what have I done?" He leaves his family, surely he argued with them and later it's treasoned by her. He loved her so much and surely he felt that his life it was broken. Blinded by anger he killed the senator and... We already know the rest of the story.
  • The Grey GhostThe Grey Ghost
    edited May 2012
    Some of you guys seemed to miss the point,I'm talking future encounters with people outside of Lee's group and how they may use that information. Because you guys forget these people still hold some hope that tomorrow may be the end of all this.
  • UndeadDollfaceUndeadDollface
    edited May 2012
    gamingafter40 wrote: »
    Personally, I'm NOT assuming that Lee actually committed the murder for which he's been convicted. It was a Senator who died, after all; someone who could have had many enemies with the political power and will to frame another person. And the brief aural flashback Lee seems to have in the barn could suggest that he woke up from a blackout of some kind to find his wife dead, and in his grief assumed he must have done it himself.

    Mind you, I'm not arguing that he DIDN'T do it; I actually think it's a more interesting story if he did. I'm just speculating -- the whole situation might not be as cut-and-dried as we are led to believe in this first episode.

    I think it is certain he at least killed the Senator because one of his dialog options with Clementine is "I...I killed someone" when she asks about the trouble he had gotten into. Still that doesn't be is was murder, it could have been an accident, a fight or confrontation that got out of hand, etc.
  • UndeadDollfaceUndeadDollface
    edited May 2012
    The Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Some of you guys seemed to miss the point,I'm talking future encounters with people outside of Lee's group and how they may use that information. Because you guys forget these people still hold some hope that tomorrow may be the end of all this.

    I think it could be an issue if the group runs into law enforcement of any kind and if it might dissuade someone from joining the group in the future. But I really doubt a newcomer is going to try make a citizen's arrest or anything like that.

    I also get the feeling that the longer the zombie apocalypse goes on the less people will member/care about that sort of thing as the 'kill or be killed' mentality starts to sink in.
  • The Grey GhostThe Grey Ghost
    edited May 2012
    UndeadDollface wrote: »
    I think it could be an issue if the group runs into law enforcement of any kind and if it might dissuade someone from joining the group in the future. But I really doubt a newcomer is going to try make a citizen's arrest or anything like that.

    I also get the feeling that the longer the zombie apocalypse goes on the less people will member/care about that sort of thing as the 'kill or be killed' mentality starts to sink in.

    *points to the govener arc nd the camniabal storyline* the walking dead has many points where human relations are the scarier part of the series than any herd or attack. The thing is people will try to take control of a situation if they see it to their benefit and capturing someone who was a convicted criminal is a hugr benifit as it could give the illusion of peace being restored and that person being the one to lead them there. See politics even in the zombie apocalypse are a big part of things among survivors. Just no one before kirkman tackled that in an intresting fasshion since the Romero night of the living dead.
  • Mediiic!Mediiic!
    edited May 2012
    I think, Lee didn't actually kill his wife. The senator might be a completely different matter, but there is no indication I could find about him killing his wife.
  • LachiLachi
    edited May 2012
    Mediiic! wrote: »
    I think, Lee didn't actually kill his wife. The senator might be a completely different matter, but there is no indication I could find about him killing his wife.
    Not in the game ...
  • Mediiic!Mediiic!
    edited May 2012
    Lachi wrote: »
    Not in the game ...

    One of the alternatives, when Lee is asked about his family, is to say, he doesn't know where his ex-wife is, which would indicate she might be alive...
  • LachiLachi
    edited May 2012
    Mediiic! wrote: »
    One of the alternatives, when Lee is asked about his family, is to say, he doesn't know where his ex-wife is, which would indicate she might be alive...
    It could be a lie or he does not know where she has been burried. Not even close to an indication in my eyes.
  • XirscheXirsche
    edited May 2012
    Lachi wrote: »
    It could be a lie or he does not know where she has been burried. Not even close to an indication in my eyes.

    Also, pointing to the fact he's trying to shroud away any evidence of him being who he really is from the others.
  • TCD23TCD23
    edited May 2012
    Am I the only one who has a feeling that Lee may not have even killed the Senator. If we consider the opening of the game with the police officer makes the whole circumstance ambiguous and based upon various choices you can make, it does seem that player choices may have some effect on his guilt.
  • Mediiic!Mediiic!
    edited May 2012
    You are not alone with that feeling...

    Thinking about it, he does seem to be feeling overtly guilty about something he did or thinks he did, even if that might not actually be the case...
  • zenstratazenstrata
    edited May 2012
    I still think it was self defense and the senator was the bad guy.
  • MilosuperspeshMilosuperspesh
    edited May 2012
    Xirsche wrote: »
    Also, pointing to the fact he's trying to shroud away any evidence of him being who he really is from the others.

    one photo and choosing his words carefully about the family who owned the drug store isn't alot of evidence and he has opened up to clem/kenny

    so the photo was only ripped up so no one who didn't know who lee doesn't want to know can find out.

    i guess in coming episodes lee's 'secret' will come out and be used for certain 'leverage'
  • ADavidsonADavidson
    edited May 2012
    OR you let carly die and kill larry later, noone needs to know...
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited May 2012
    Lee Looks so Goofy with that sniper rifle in episode 2 maybe he shot Larry by "accident"
  • ADavidsonADavidson
    edited May 2012
    You never know what's going to happen in the comics. I hope Telltale captures that. For instance,
    Rick Grimes shoots one of the prison inmates that had been causing trouble, in the head, while they were having a firefight with another group. Was an "accident", the guy needed taking care of. Hopefully we'll get some of those "Holy crap I can't believe they just went there" moments. Of course, the comic also has decapitated children, rape, torture scenes and sex so they'll hafta draw the line somewhere
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited May 2012
    ADavidson wrote: »
    You never know what's going to happen in the comics. I hope Telltale captures that. For instance,
    Rick Grimes shoots one of the prison inmates that had been causing trouble, in the head, while they were having a firefight with another group. Was an "accident", the guy needed taking care of. Hopefully we'll get some of those "Holy crap I can't believe they just went there" moments. Of course, the comic also has decapitated children, rape, torture scenes and sex so they'll hafta draw the line somewhere

    Well it could be Worse
    It could be Sex with Decapitated bodies and Rape and Torture of children
  • ADavidsonADavidson
    edited May 2012
    Well....
    The governor has his niece holed up in his apartment, chained up since she is a zombie. At one point he takes pliers and pulls all her teeth out so she can't bite him, then makes out with her. Who knows what else he would do.
  • MilosuperspeshMilosuperspesh
    edited May 2012
    ADavidson wrote: »
    Well....
    The governor has his niece holed up in his apartment, chained up since she is a zombie. At one point he takes pliers and pulls all her teeth out so she can't bite him, then makes out with her. Who knows what else he would do.

    wow thats ALL kinds of fucked up...
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited May 2012
    ADavidson wrote: »
    Well....
    The governor has his niece holed up in his apartment, chained up since she is a zombie. At one point he takes pliers and pulls all her teeth out so she can't bite him, then makes out with her. Who knows what else he would do.

    Maybe Lee should pay a visit to him
  • JonathanEFearnJonathanEFearn
    edited May 2012
    eblocksonian wrote: »
    Actually, it's a STATE Senator... I think. I'm pretty sure it's not a Federal Senator. If that was the case, Almost everyone in Georgia should know Lee's face if that was the case.
    They might remember that Lee Everett killed a State Senator.

    But knowing Lee Everett's face? Think back to the last major case the media followed and ask yourself honestly if you remember all the facial details that were shown on TV. I don't mean things like missing persons (especially kids).
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited May 2012
    Milosuperspesh wrote: »
    wow thats ALL kinds of fucked up...

    No whats really fucked up was He was doing that before the outbreak occured. the outbreak just made it more conveniant.
    I don't know if that's true
  • ReliusBlueReliusBlue
    edited May 2012
    If it is constantly brought up that Lee is a murderer by complete strangers in the Zombie Apocalypse... Well, I'm not quite sure that I can buy into that. It just seems like a lazy cop-out if that's the way the designers go. Hell, plenty of people don't follow the news and most of the people that do don't retain all of that information. It is just completely ridiculous to think that people will keep bringing up that Lee is a murderer. I think it would be better pursued as a Dark Secret that slowly reveals itself culminating in the reveal at the end of Season 1 which is the way I imagine it will be handled. Constant badgering of the Protagonist about an event not everyone will remember is ludicrous, un-fun, and immersion breaking. Subtle hints at what Lee has done is the way it should be handled in my opinion.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited May 2012
    ReliusBlue wrote: »
    If it is constantly brought up that Lee is a murderer by complete strangers in the Zombie Apocalypse... Well, I'm not quite sure that I can buy into that. It just seems like a lazy cop-out if that's the way the designers go. Hell, plenty of people don't follow the news and most of the people that do don't retain all of that information. It is just completely ridiculous to think that people will keep bringing up that Lee is a murderer. I think it would be better pursued as a Dark Secret that slowly reveals itself culminating in the reveal at the end of Season 1 which is the way I imagine it will be handled. Constant badgering of the Protagonist about an event not everyone will remember is ludicrous, un-fun, and immersion breaking. Subtle hints at what Lee has done is the way it should be handled in my opinion.


    CheckList time

    I'm chet i love food/im night cop i dont know who you are [minus one to knowers]

    I'm shawn i'll believe your the babysitter if you tell me [minus one to knowers]

    i'm herschel "I don't know who you are or what you did {minus one to knowers]

    I'm kenny if i know what you did im not mentioning it [?]

    i'm kaatja if i know what you did im not mentioning it [?]

    i'm duck i dont know what you did or i'd be blabbing about it [minus 1 to knowers

    I'm Carley i'm a reporter so i know about your case {plus 1 to knowers]

    I'm doug i just moved here so i dont really know about the family or your case[minus 1 to knowers]

    I'm Glenn MACON NATIVE I lived here and knew your parents and know it hurt when i said their names so i say "I used to deliver pizza to the Everetts i mean the couple who lived here" [plus 1 to knowers]

    I'm Larry MACON NATIVE I live here I know who you are {Plus 1 to knowers}

    I'm Lily MACON NATIVE I live here but havent mentioned your past {?}


    So to recap the total amount ot of people who knows lees secret in Episode 1 equals - 1 to - 2
  • ADavidsonADavidson
    edited May 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    No whats really fucked up was He was doing that before the outbreak occured. the outbreak just made it more conveniant.
    I don't know if that's true

    Lol nah he was actually the nice shy guy before
    Phillip Blake as introduced in the comics is not actually Phillip Blake. It is Phillip's older weaker shy brother. Phillip was killed, eventually, by Brian due to Phillip keeping dead daughter and raping several women. Eventually Brian snapped and shot some army guys that were bullying Woodbury. They asked his name he said Phillip Blake and took on the persona of his brother. Some really messed up stuff. He does die too tho, while attacking Rick's group at the prison. The same attack that kills Laurie and their baby. Later Carl also gets shot in the side of his head, taking out an eyeball but somehow lives. SPOILERS MEANS SPOILERS!! lol
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited May 2012
    ADavidson wrote: »
    Lol nah he was actually the nice shy guy before
    Phillip Blake as introduced in the comics is not actually Phillip Blake. It is Phillip's older weaker shy brother. Phillip was killed, eventually, by Brian due to Phillip keeping dead daughter and raping several women. Eventually Brian snapped and shot some army guys that were bullying Woodbury. They asked his name he said Phillip Blake and took on the persona of his brother. Some really messed up stuff. He does die too tho, while attacking Rick's group at the prison. The same attack that kills Laurie and their baby. Later Carl also gets shot in the side of his head, taking out an eyeball but somehow lives. SPOILERS MEANS SPOILERS!! lol

    I wonder if kirkman has any real influence in the game
  • ADavidsonADavidson
    edited May 2012
    I'm sure they make sure story points are ok with him. As far as rape, torture, kid killing and such go... It's probably more of an ESRB thing. TWD as intended would DEFINITELY be an AO rated game, and would therefore not be on consoles whatsoever.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited May 2012
    ADavidson wrote: »
    I'm sure they make sure story points are ok with him. As far as rape, torture, kid killing and such go... It's probably more of an ESRB thing. TWD as intended would DEFINITELY be an AO rated game, and would therefore not be on consoles whatsoever.

    and thats why japan is superior to america Lax morals
  • yungdragon210yungdragon210
    edited June 2012
    I do in fact believe that in one or more of the episodes to come Lee's back-story ie. murder trial, etc. I feel like how we interacted with Hershel, Doug, and if you chose to save Carley...this may come in handy during a situation like this. Of course some people can't be helped, although we didn't have the option to let them die of the heart attack and being freed of the one person who was negatively holding our "crime" over our head...Larry. Im sure he'll be making people hate us more and more even though we saved his life and Doug died. I LOVED DOUG man.
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