Larry - I don't get it.
I know the guy's really mean and stuff, but you find out he's really only trying to protect his daughter- I helped him get his pills in episode 1, AND I sided with him because after playing EP2 I got sick of Kenny and decided to play the "Fuck kenny." playthrough. He actually acts positive towards me (Larry) when I side with him. I really wish Telltale would've made Kenny be the one to knock me out, or me get hit by the door or something. Anything else. Larry knocking me out just didn't make sense. Why not Kenny? He's the one who was an asshole to him. It might stand to reason that because Kenny has the car, Larry would want to keep him alive, but why not take his keys and leave him and his family and bring Lee instead? Less people to take care of as well.
I'm not angry, I'm just a bit confused. "Larry's an asshole." is not an adequate reason for him to knock me out and leave me for dead. I'm guessing TellTale were either in a hurry, or simply forgot to change that scene up a bit.
I'm not angry, I'm just a bit confused. "Larry's an asshole." is not an adequate reason for him to knock me out and leave me for dead. I'm guessing TellTale were either in a hurry, or simply forgot to change that scene up a bit.
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The collective makeup of their actions only makes sense if the goal is to survive past the zombie apocalypse and then rebuild. All of this changes when you learn that, short of having you brains scrambled, you will always come back as a Walker when you die.
I don't think that I could ever completely agree with anyone that won't put the safety of children ahead of their own.
I could say the same thing about Kenny. If you don't side with him, he isn't even willing to give away his position to help while you're wrestling with the gun-wielding brother. Not to mention the *cough* salt lick incident.
Playing that way, it's pretty clear that Ken only grows a backbone when his own family is in danger, I wouldn't really expect help from him when the chips are down any more than I'd expect from Larry.
And I don't see it that way. Kenny doesn't always play the hero, but he does what he can to help people in need out (without risking his family). He comes back to rescue Lee in the drug store, he doesn't refuse to keep the student you find in the woods, and I think that killing Larry had more to do with keeping the group within the meat locker safe (as opposed to some selfish desire to protect his family, who is not even in the meat locker at the time).
Contrast that with Larry, who won't accept new people into the group, tries to kill the person who is responsible for getting him his life-saving medication, and instead of informing people that Lee is a murderer, decides to use it as blackmail to make sure that Lee will always side with him and his daughter. Then there is Lily, who always deigns to her father's wishes (despite them often being wrong, or morally repugnant), and despite being in no danger, refuses to save lee when he is about to be forced upon an electric fence.
At least we can say for Kenny that he wasn't going to put his life in jeopardy to save someone who has no regard for his safety. Lily acts in the end out of vengeance, as opposed to common sense.
Besides, I know enough about heart attacks and CPR to know that just because someone takes a momentary gasp, it's not enough to prove that resuscitation was sucessful, and that 24 hours after a heart attack you are most likely to have a second one (usually fatal). It might have been better to just let him go and eliminate the threat of him turning into a walker while you're in a position to not risk yourself to further harm, as opposed to waiting too long and he comes back as a danger to everyone, Lily included.
If you side with Lily's she's actually the one that saves you, from both brothers.
Problem with Kenny is that he's an idealist but doesn't really have the backbone to follow things through. He wanted to save the new kid, now what? Get the trailer running. And it's not like he was planning to bring everyone with him, just Lee and Clem, IF he likes them.
He'll just do the um "moral" thing and then cast of the people he saved into the wind when it becomes inconvenient. At least Larry and Lily are more up front about not being in a position to care for new survivors.
As Bali put it, Larry may be an asshole but he's still got the protection instinct.
I still don't see where people are thinking that Larry wants to "protect" people (well, other than himself and Lily).
Example? When Lily gave me the food, I fed the three kids (I count the student as a kid), and then gave food to Lily. Larry then proceeded to chew me out that I didn't feed him. Who the heck is he trying to protect there?
Again, when we are trapped in the meat locker, Kenny and I are looking for a way out (and Kenny is obviously panicked, and rightly so because they split him up from both this wife and kid). Larry screams himself to death (literally), and Lily just tries to calm him down. Yeah, they were sure concerned with protecting the group right there.
And like I said in another thread, even if I can't trust Kenny with my life, I know that if anything happened to me, that he and Katjaa would take better care of Clementine than Lily would - as evidenced by the fact that she wouldn't even step out of the drugstore to help save her.
I think it's obvious from the conversations with him and Lily that he wants to move the entire group, but it is Lily who is resisting leaving the Motor Inn, despite the fact that they are going to starve to death if they stay there.
He doesn't want Lee to go if he doesn't like him.
And you can directly influence that by your decisions. In my ending he treats Lee more like a good friend than anything else.
I don't think he would purposefully leave behind any people that he had under his leadership without good reason (such as Doug/Carly, or the poor student you manage to save that has no one else). He wouldn't force them to go, but he wouldn't leave them behind either.
I mean, it's pretty telling of Lily's character when she flat out tells that Lee that she doesn't want that poor Band Kid to stay ( I should really learn his name, shouldn't I?). He is all alone, the Director is sure to die without our intervention, but she wants them to leave immediately. He would be left all by himself, and he's barely old enough to be considered a full adult.
So in one of my play throughs he wouldn't want larry, Lily, Lee, to go. Clementine wouldn't go without Lee. Would Carl/Doug go?
I'm not sure he would want the Lee from my first play through go, that had his back 100% and saved his family in the 2nd episode, just because I wouldn't bash a guys head in who might have still been alive.
Like I said, he would take anyone who wanted to go unless he had a good reason.
When you try to save Larry, you prove to Kenny that you are willing to put your morals over the direct safety of the group (it's up to you to decide if in this manner if he was right or wrong, but this is how he's chosen to interpret it). He did what he thought was necessary to protect the group (no worse than Larry and Lily, who wanted to bash Duck's brains in before they were reasonably certain that he had been bitten, and that decision was made more brashly than Kenny's decision to terminate your resuscitation attempts).
Couple that with the fact that you have all just had a trying experience, and left not one but two members of your group behind dead at a place you thought was safe, and tensions are bound to run high. Also, he was just shot - he may not be thinking rationally after such an emotionally charged situation. He may be angry with you now, but give him time to cool down before we suddenly decide that he's had a total character shift and that we need to abandon him as quickly as possible.
I get where you're coming from, but his actions make perfect sense to me. When you side with Larry in the drug store he finds you agreeable on a shallow level. But later on he betrays you for deeper convictions he holds about the nature of your character.
He's doing what he thinks is best for Lilly and the rest of the group and doesn't mind being a bit of a cunt about it either.
Kenny is an ungrateful prick. In episode 2 I fed his kid,fed him, saved his wife from zombified Travis and he still resented me for not saving Duck at the farm in episode one and continued to clash with me throughout the rest of episode 2. Come to think of it he even shook his head in disapproval of my choices after I fed him when he said some people won't agree with my food rationing choices and I don't recall him thanking me for feeding his kid.
It'd be nice if instead of punching you, he'd just lock the door on a playthough with a higher Larry-Favor. Does anything else seem to change? The meat locker discussion?
Nothing really changes - he pisses on Carley for shooting her gun, then has his heart attack. Lily is a bit softer with you, but he still knocks you out as you are trying to escape, and then calls you out at the Motor Inn and threatens you.
I think his intention was "I'm leaving no matter what you people say", which is a heck of a lot different from "I'm leaving and I'm not taking anyone but my family with me!". Besides, if you try to save Duck and side with Kenny at the drug store, and then feed the children at the Motor Inn, he practically BEGS you to leave with him (this is before you even meet the St. John's - he makes a point of approaching you). I don't think this opinion changes if you don't side with him in the meat locker, unless you call him out on it in the dialogue choices afterwards.
Lilly confirms my suspicions - Kenny wants to leave - why would this matter to Lilly unless he wanted everyone to leave, thus challenging her belief that everyone should stay? We know their respective opinions on the matter, but everyone else not attached to them through family seems a little ambivalent about it.
Besides, seeing as how you are pretty much playing the "anti-kenny" route, would you honestly expect him to want you around? Put the shoe on the other foot, and imagine that you had a chance to leave with Clementine, and Kenny had put her in danger more times than one - would YOU take Kenny with you?
If I was to kill Larry for revenge for hitting Lee as I had dreamed about since completing episode one I would have done it when Lilly and Clementine weren't around.
What I found funny was when Kenny hid when Lee was at gun point. I thought back to when Hershel warned me (the gamer/Lee) that Kenny would repeat what he did to Sean when I depended on him.