Why is Lilly in the game ? (for those who have read the comic) SPOILERS

edited July 2012 in The Walking Dead
Ok all of us who have read the comic knows that Lilly will eventually
join up with the Governor and kill Lori and her baby.

So we all know that she won´t die since telltale considers this game to be canon within the comic universe.

I don´t get why telltale picked her as one of the characters in the game, since she is a character, that most of us comic readers allready know will survive.

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  • edited July 2012
    Same reason Glenn and Hershel were - to give it an extra tie-in to the comics.
  • edited July 2012
    Same reason Glenn and Hershel were - to give it an extra tie-in to the comics.

    This.
  • edited July 2012
    WARP10CK wrote: »
    Ok all of us who have read the comic knows that Lilly will eventually
    join up with the Governor and kill Lori and her baby.

    So we all know that she won´t die since telltale considers this game to be canon within the comic universe.

    I don´t get why telltale picked her as one of the characters in the game, since she is a character, that most of us comic readers allready know will survive.

    Telltale chose characters that most Walking Dead fans are familiar with and just decided to reveal their past as to what they were doing before Rick eventually meets them in the comics. This is a good thing because these characters they chose impacted Rick's life many ways in the comics and people will be wondering what they were doing before they got into Rick's life.
  • edited July 2012
    Just because she won't die doesn't mean she won't leave the group at some point. It's not just about death but about groups fracturing and losing people.

    I'm more concerned about how well her departure is played more than when she'll actually do it.

    Glenn, not so much. He was just too major a character in the comics to expect much from him.
  • edited July 2012
    I think she will be leaving the group in episode 3. It's been 3 months since the outbreak, so Rick should have dealt with hershal and met up with the Guvenour by now.

    The kenny vs Lilly thing will come to an end, and lilly will split :P
  • edited July 2012
    Ah, so that IS the same Lilly as in the game? I just got to that point in the comics as episode 2 was arriving, and we don't get to know much about that Lilly (at least at that moment, I can't speak to any material beyond volume 10.) She seems to have some disagreement with the Governor's orders and a moral compass of her own, so I can believe it's the same person.
  • edited July 2012
    Because she has no back story to contradict.. and its interesting to see what some of the characters were doing before we see them in the comics.. Its possible we will maybe get some insight as to WHY she is following someone like the Gov.
  • edited July 2012
    I know kirkman is making a sequel to the rise of the governor, which is called the road to woodbury. This novel will give more information about Lilly as a character. I wonder if the novel and the game will complement each other.
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    edited July 2012
    I think they wanted to show the events that made Lily into the woman she will become just like the events made Glenn never give up
  • edited July 2012
    I know kirkman is making a sequel to the rise of the governor, which is called the road to woodbury. This novel will give more information about Lilly as a character. I wonder if the novel and the game will complement each other.

    It will be interesting how he is gonna pull that of, the book is not coming out before october and all the episodes of the game should be out by then.

    I hope it does not contradict anything he has been doing a good job with keeping it consistent so far.
  • edited July 2012
    maybe its a different glen and lily?
  • edited July 2012
    I haven't read the comics (I'm vaguely aware of them...) but I also think Lilly will leave in Ep 3 since the group are meant to visit Woodbury, which IIRC is where the whole Governor/Prison shenanigans take place.
  • edited July 2012
    zenstrata wrote: »
    maybe its a different glen and lily?

    *facepalm*

    If it was a joke, it isn't that good and if you are serious, then you really need to rethink your theory.

    It is obviously the same Glen/Lilly.

    Lilly was already admitted to be the same Lilly by telltale and Glen has the exact same look, clothes, personality, and was heading to Atlanta(where Rick finds him) when we last saw him.

    And was confirmed by telltale to be the same Glen which apparently DOES need to be clarified now...
  • edited July 2012
    I was very disappointed to learn that Lilly was actually a person from the comics. Honestly, anything related to the comics undermines the whole concept of story and relationships being formed based on your choices. In Episode 1 the choice to save Duck or Shawn was one of the most useless choices because Shawn was destined to die. I didn't mind Glenn, actually, because there were no big choices related to him, so that was actually a good properly implemented cameo.

    But Lilly... The choices regarding Lilly play such a big role, but the fact that she is in the comics means that no matter what the hell I do, she will eventually become the person she is in the comics and leave the group. And that IMO sucks.
  • edited July 2012
    Oh it's less about "your options about " blah blah" meaning nothing. The Shaun vs Duck saving for example. Yes shaun will die but its also what happens because you went to save shaun over duck. Kenny will feel like a coward, lee will see his first true failure at saving someone. But then katjaa will hold it over your head that you didn't choose duck. if you save duck, kenny will feel a shared shame with lee over leaving the "boy" to die as he just froze. The over all choice has less to do with the person who may or may not be saved. And more on how others will react.
  • edited July 2012
    The over all choice has less to do with the person who may or may not be saved. And more on how others will react.

    The 'how others will react' is still based on your choices, and having comic book characters still diminishes their value, and my point still stands. For example: if you're pro-Kenny, then you will have a person who will certainly have your back because you've got his, and Lilly will eventually break under stress. If you're pro-Lilly, then you will have a person (Kenny) who will hate your guts (because regrettably he's got a very binary view of the world), and Lilly will eventually break under stress, because regardless of how pro-Lilly you are, that has to happen. See the problem?

    Kenny is a game-only character, so there's lots of room in changing what he thinks of you and what he does depending on what you do, Lilly is a comic book character, and in her case everything is incredibly restricted. And asides from Katjaa, nobody really cares that much who you choose between Kenny/Lilly (at least at the time of Ep2), so if you're pro-Kenny you will eventually be left with a loyal friend, and if you're pro-Lilly - you will be eventually left with, well, nothing.

    I admit that this post is a bit speculative because nobody has seen Ep3 yet and we don't know for how long Lilly will be with us, but so far knowing that Lilly is in the comic books does not leave me with confidence.
  • edited July 2012
    Farlander wrote: »
    The 'how others will react' is still based on your choices, and having comic book characters still diminishes their value, and my point still stands. For example: if you're pro-Kenny, then you will have a person who will certainly have your back because you've got his, and Lilly will eventually break under stress. If you're pro-Lilly, then you will have a person (Kenny) who will hate your guts (because regrettably he's got a very binary view of the world), and Lilly will eventually break under stress, because regardless of how pro-Lilly you are, that has to happen. See the problem?

    Kenny is a game-only character, so there's lots of room in changing what he thinks of you and what he does depending on what you do, Lilly is a comic book character, and in her case everything is incredibly restricted. And asides from Katjaa, nobody really cares that much who you choose between Kenny/Lilly (at least at the time of Ep2), so if you're pro-Kenny you will eventually be left with a loyal friend, and if you're pro-Lilly - you will be eventually left with, well, nothing.

    I admit that this post is a bit speculative because nobody has seen Ep3 yet and we don't know for how long Lilly will be with us, but so far knowing that Lilly is in the comic books does not leave me with confidence.

    You can't say we'll be left with nothing if we decide to side with Lilly. We only see Lilly for basically a split second in the comics. Woodbury could play a large part in the story and further flesh out her role. Hell, the story could continue after that scene at the prison. We just don't have the information available yet.

    It would be nice to have some real game changing choices but in the end my thoughts on the matter are no different than yours. They're both pure speculation. Although in this case, I really hope they choose not to write her off easily. Even knowing what she did in the comics, I still enjoy her character much more than Kenny.

    EDIT: It looks like Lilly will be featured in an upcoming novel titled "Road to Woodbury". I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing for the game :(
  • edited July 2012
    You can't say we'll be left with nothing if we decide to side with Lilly. We only see Lilly for basically a split second in the comics. Woodbury could play a large part in the story and further flesh out her role. Hell, the story could continue after that scene at the prison. We just don't have the information available yet.

    It would be nice to have some real game changing choices but in the end my thoughts on the matter are no different than yours. They're both pure speculation. Although in this case, I really hope they choose not to write her off easily. Even knowing what she did in the comics, I still enjoy her character much more than Kenny.

    EDIT: It looks like Lilly will be featured in an upcoming novel titled "Road to Woodbury". I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing for the game :(

    Well, I agree with your former comment about Lilly being seen only for a couple pages in the comic, and that her backstory before then is speculation. And I also agree about not writing her off easily, for I'm actually pro-Lilly. As to your question about "Road to Woodbury", I think it's a good thing for the game. Right now, as of Episode 2, Lilly's backstory is still in the making via player's choices and the circumstances..and what happens in the comics or novels based on Lilly would be milestones for the story development in later episodes of the game. Hell, it might lead to Lilly having more of an appearance in the TV show, assuming Kirkman allows it.
  • edited July 2012
    I'm taking Clem to Woodbury with Lilly to watch some new TV.
  • edited July 2012
    I actually completely forgot it was Lilly from the comics until someone else mentioned it.
    Now I feel it's a waste of time to get on her good side, but perhaps the game ends before she joins up with the governor, I don't know
  • edited July 2012
    I'm taking Clem to Woodbury with Lilly to watch some new TV.

    watch some saturday morning wall o'heads with clem then straight onto watching some heads of fortune.
  • edited July 2012
    Even knowing what she did in the comics, I still enjoy her character much more than Kenny.(

    Especially knowing what she did in the comics, I get to like her character even more! :D
    No one knows how long she will be at Woodbury with the Governor. She might leave at the end of episode 3 and return in episode 4 after the events in the prison (I hope something like that will happen)
  • edited July 2012
    I could be wrong but I would think that Lilly didn't make it out of the prison. The woodbury survivors ran out of ammo and surrounded by zombies so I think its safe to assume shes gone haha but who knows i could be wrong
  • edited July 2012
    I think it's awesome seeing them and getting to interact with them a little before they take off to assume their canon roles
  • edited July 2012
    WARP10CK wrote: »
    It will be interesting how he is gonna pull that of, the book is not coming out before october and all the episodes of the game should be out by then.

    I hope it does not contradict anything he has been doing a good job with keeping it consistent so far.

    http://www.telltalegames.com/community/blogs/id-975

    Episode 3 won't be out till the middle of August so the novel will probably be out before the game is finished. I hope the novel doesn't spoil anything that might happen to Lilly in the last episode.
  • edited July 2012
    I like how Robert Kirkman decided to release a novel with Lilly's backstory about how she arrived to Woodbury. If everything seems alright in the game, we just might learn Lilly's whole life after the apocalypse(from when Lee met her to escaping to Woodbury).
  • edited July 2012
    For me that was so long ago in the comics.... I forget who Lilly was in Woodbury. Someone remind me please. I remember martinez and the Dr and the girl that shot the gov after Lori and the baby. Which one was Lilly again?
  • edited July 2012
    For me that was so long ago in the comics.... I forget who Lilly was in Woodbury. Someone remind me please. I remember martinez and the Dr and the girl that shot the gov after Lori and the baby. Which one was Lilly again?
    Lilly was the person that shot Lori and her baby. After she realized what she's done she kicks the Governor into a pack of zombies.
  • edited July 2012
    She only has about 4 panels on 1 page in the entire series; but what she gets done in them...
  • edited July 2012
    Telltale should ignore the comics and tv show and just spin it they way they want to. That would keep the audience guessing and prevent spoilers. It could be an alternate universe walking dead.
  • edited July 2012
    Oh, so she is THAT Lilly? Or rather - the woman who shoots Lory is named Lilly? Lemme look it up for a sec... Indeed. I hadn't noticed before. I guess it really is her.

    As for the Hershel thing - that's something that has been bothering me. The Hershel in the game looks and behaves differently from the Hershel in the comic book. There are several aspects that contradict each other.
    For instance, where is Hershel's family - the one he has in the comic book? Yes, in the comic book one of his sons was a zombie locked in the barn, so that much of it makes sense when we see Hershel's son die in the game. But where are the others? Where is Maggie?
    Also in the book he doesn't have a full beard. Granted, he always looks very unshaven, so this one is forgivable.
    But most importantly the Hershel in the comic books is appalled when he finds out Rick and Co have been just shooting the zombies instead of trying to help them. The hershel in the game doesn't hesitate to blow the heads off the walkers. That didn't make a whole lot of sense to me so I at least entertained the idea that this could be a different farmer named Hershel with a medical background... :rolleyes:

    ... But ultimately I decided that the writers must be aware that not all farmers are doctors and that they can have other names beside Hershel, so this definitely cannot be a coincidence. It's the same guy.
    I guess that means that when his son came back Hershel decided to crop his beard short and rethought his stance on blowing zombies' heads off. Shortly after that the rest of his family returned from their camping trip. ;)
  • edited July 2012
    When Shawn turns he decides he can't kill zombies anymore because he is convinced he can cure Shawn. That's why he collects them in the barn. It makes perfect sense to me.
    And Lilly might have like 4 panels in the comic book, but she is a total badass. The Governor isn't a person you just stand up to...
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