Will Lilly Leave the Group?

edited August 2012 in The Walking Dead
Major spoilers for both The Governor story arc in the comics and Episode 2 of the game await

You know, being a long-time reader of the comics (Although I stopped reading at Issue 48), I almost feel ashamed of myself to have not realised that Lilly from the game was Lilly from the comics, the same woman who:

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Kills both Lori Grimes and then The Governor, and also appears in The Walking Dead novel series .

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Now, in the comics, Lilly resides in the town of Woodbury, home of The Governor, arch-nemesis of Rick Grimes. In The Walking Dead game series, the group are rumoured to end up in Woodbury in the 3rd episode. Now, this begs the question, will Lilly leave? Almost certainly yes, unless the group returns to Woodbury later in the series, something I find highly doubtful.

If so, why will she leave? Whilst I was playing Episode 2, I was certain that Larry would die in Woodbury, thus causing Lilly to leave the group in a kind-of, "None of you tried to save him" way. Then I finished Episode 2. So, what DOES cause her to leave. The next logical answer would be everyone siding with Kenny, but what if you side with her like I did? (FYI, I sided with Kenny the entire time up until the scene in the Meat Locker with Larry).

So, what do y'all think?
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  • edited July 2012
    Lilly. Oh God...Lilly... :(

    Oh, sorry about that. I've been playing Katawa Shoujo. :p

    Anyway, yeah, I think it's a given that Lilly's going to leave. Canon demands it. Same reason Shawn died and Glenn left for Atlanta. I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up leaving in the next episode, in fact.
  • edited July 2012
    Well, it's established in the canon that Lily ends up in Woodbury. I think it will be the constant confrontations with Kenny that convinces her to stay. It's going to suck for those who have generally sided with her over Kenny thus far.

    It's really interesting to speculate on how it will all pan out.
  • edited July 2012
    Ah, that's a good question. I am almost certain that yes, she's going to quit the group.

    She'll probaly feel alone because of her dad's death, and will leave a note saying something. I guess the note will depend on the player's choice...

    Edit: I put my votes on the note. If she says to everyone that she's going to leave, we should have an optionto choose who we should follow. Specially to the player's who sided with her.

    Unless she says that she want to be alone. But I don't know... It just feels unlikely. Again, specially if you sided with her.
  • edited July 2012
    Lin001 wrote: »
    She'll probaly feel alone because of her dad's death, and will leave a note saying something. I guess the note will depend on the player's choice...

    That would be a very cool and fitting way to see her leave. I will say that I haven't read Rise of the Governor, but I know it gives many more details on the people of Woodbury's lives, both pre-apocalypse and post. Perhaps it sketches out a few details as to how Lilly ended up there?
  • edited July 2012
    That would be a very cool and fitting way to see her leave. I will say that I haven't read Rise of the Governor, but I know it gives many more details on the people of Woodbury's lives, both pre-apocalypse and post. Perhaps it sketches out a few details as to how Lilly ended up there?

    I haven't read it either. Actually, I didn't even know it existed. But... I don't know. I really think that they hadn't in mind include Lilly in a game while they are in that part of the comic. So unless this thing is recently, I hardly doubt it... :(
  • edited July 2012
    or what if she is captured? trapped by something even caught by yet another conveniant cameo ? michone ?

    or the group splits up rv and train and lilly doesn't make it? she disapears...
  • edited July 2012
    That would be a very cool and fitting way to see her leave. I will say that I haven't read Rise of the Governor, but I know it gives many more details on the people of Woodbury's lives, both pre-apocalypse and post. Perhaps it sketches out a few details as to how Lilly ended up there?
    Nope, there's no Lily in The Rise of the Governor. It's strictly the story of how the Governor gets to Woodbury. The Road to Woodbury may have her in it though, as that's more about how the Governor came to power.

    What a backwards way to title those books. Seriously. The Rise of the Governor should be called the Road to Woodbury, since it actually tells of his journey to Woodbury. The second book would definitely be more accurate if titled The Rise of the Gov, since, well, it's actually about the governor's rise to power in Woodbury, not the road there...
  • edited July 2012
    Moragami wrote: »
    Nope, there's no Lily in The Rise of the Governor. It's strictly the story of how the Governor gets to Woodbury. The Road to Woodbury may have her in it though, as that's more about how the Governor came to power.

    What a backwards way to title those books. Seriously. The Rise of the Governor should be called the Road to Woodbury, since it actually tells of his journey to Woodbury. The second book would definitely be more accurate if titled The Rise of the Gov, since, well, it's actually about the governor's rise to power in Woodbury, not the road there...

    I see. From what I hear Rise of the Gov also sheds some more light on the Wiltshire Estate, a criminally underused location in the comics. I am interested in reading them, it's just they're quite hard to find in the UK, PLUS, like I said, I stopped reading the comics at Issue 48.

    But yes, Episode 3 would make for a very neat segway into The Road to Woodbury, particularly if Lilly is given the same amount of importance as The Governor. Aah, Kirkman, you've all got it planned out!
  • edited July 2012
    or what if she is captured? trapped by something even caught by yet another conveniant cameo ? michone ?

    or the group splits up rv and train and lilly doesn't make it? she disapears...


    Well, could be that too. But then, people would want to know how she escaped of those bandits and went to Woodbury.
  • edited July 2012
    I don't think she leaves. I think she gets separated somehow.
  • edited July 2012
    Lin001 wrote: »
    Well, could be that too. But then, people would want to know how she escaped of those bandits and went to Woodbury.


    note i didn't say bandits as i was attempting to sublty imply she would be captured by michone or another of the guvnah's towns people
  • edited July 2012
    Oh, now I get it, Milo.

    Guys, if any of you still had doubts about Lilly quittin'... Look what I found:

    • Episode 3: Long Road Ahead - August 2012
    o Chapter 1 - Goodbye, She Quietly Says
    o Chapter 2 - Bad Blood
    o Chapter 3 - Hit The Road
    o Chapter 4 - Woodbury Bound
    o Chapter 5 - Rumbling Down The Track
    o Chapter 6 - Can't Save 'em All
    o Chapter 7 - Tools For The Job
    o Chapter 8 - Lend Me Your Ears

    Of course it could referring about the Motel, but I think it's highly unlikely... Sad thing she have to get out in the first Chapter.

    Oh, and look at the name. "... She Quietly says". It just reinforces the theory about the note! :D
  • edited July 2012
    My theory on the whole game is that Lily and Kenny are being set up as a binary villain. Depending on who you side with, the other becomes the big bad. If you're allied with Lily, the reason you don't join her in Woodbury is because you're a known killer and are barred from entering. I haven't guessed out the Kenny side of the arc, and it's irrelevant to this thread.

    I don't think it's as simple as her just leaving; everyone would pick Woodbury as a safe haven. But why Lee isn't there as part of the later canon could be pretty easily explained: he's dead or was denied access.
  • edited July 2012
    trd84 wrote: »
    I don't think she leaves. I think she gets separated somehow.

    Right now, she seems to be pretty pissed at the group as a whole. I think she'll just run away.
  • edited July 2012
    Lin001 wrote: »
    Oh, now I get it, Milo.

    Guys, if any of you still had doubts about Lilly quittin'... Look what I found:

    • Episode 3: Long Road Ahead - August 2012
    o Chapter 1 - Goodbye, She Quietly Says
    o Chapter 2 - Bad Blood
    o Chapter 3 - Hit The Road
    o Chapter 4 - Woodbury Bound
    o Chapter 5 - Rumbling Down The Track
    o Chapter 6 - Can't Save 'em All
    o Chapter 7 - Tools For The Job
    o Chapter 8 - Lend Me Your Ears

    Of course it could referring about the Motel, but I think it's highly unlikely... Sad thing she have to get out in the first Chapter.

    Oh, and look at the name. "... She Quietly says". It just reinforces the theory about the note! :D

    I think Lilly leaves the group next episode too but we have to take into account the preview of next episode.

    No spoilers here just WAG's (wild ass guessing)

    Chapter 1 - Goodbye, She Quietly Says - ?
    Chapter 2 - Bad Blood - May refer to when we see Lee shoot the bandit
    Chapter 3 - Hit The Road - They all leave the motel together since they are all shown arguing on the roadside by the RV later on.
    Chapter 4 - Woodbury Bound - This may be where the group, less Kenny and his family and Ben, deciede to go with Lilly. Kenney goes to the coast with family and Ben as seen in the preview.
    Chapter 5 - Rumbling Down The Track - Where Lee and Clem are shown riding in a train car.
    Chapter 6 - Can't Save 'em All - this may be where Lee, Clem and Carley get seperated from Lilly. Only Lilly goes to Woodbury. Lee goes opposite way.
    Chapter 7 - Tools For The Job - maybe Lee finds some weapons and ammo
    Chapter 8 - Lend Me Your Ears - ?
  • mz3mz3
    edited July 2012
    I think She(lilly) depends on our(lee) decisions to go or stay:(
    so we can not say certainly she goes:)
  • edited July 2012
    Lin001 wrote: »
    Oh, now I get it, Milo.

    Guys, if any of you still had doubts about Lilly quittin'... Look what I found:

    • Episode 3: Long Road Ahead - August 2012
    o Chapter 1 - Goodbye, She Quietly Says
    o Chapter 2 - Bad Blood
    o Chapter 3 - Hit The Road
    o Chapter 4 - Woodbury Bound
    o Chapter 5 - Rumbling Down The Track
    o Chapter 6 - Can't Save 'em All
    o Chapter 7 - Tools For The Job
    o Chapter 8 - Lend Me Your Ears

    Of course it could referring about the Motel, but I think it's highly unlikely... Sad thing she have to get out in the first Chapter.

    Oh, and look at the name. "... She Quietly says". It just reinforces the theory about the note! :D

    Maybe they went back and buried Larry and that's what it's is referring to.
  • edited July 2012
    Zeruis wrote: »
    Right now, she seems to be pretty pissed at the group as a whole. I think she'll just run away.

    She just seems upset with kenny in my main play through.
  • edited July 2012
    3rd episode? Too soon. All that'll leave is Katja on my Doug playthough. I don't want my survivor group to end up a sausage fest.
  • edited July 2012
    Gennadios wrote: »
    3rd episode? Too soon. All that'll leave is Katja on my Doug playthough. I don't want my survivor group to end up a sausage fest.

    I've been mulling around the idea that perhaps we head to Woodbury, but Lilly doesn't leave the group at that time. It could be possible that she stays with us to the end of the story, and at that point extenuating circumstances lead her BACK to Woodbury.

    In all honesty though, I think she's leaving. The death of her father had to be pretty traumatic, and episode three would be the ample time to have her "split".
  • edited July 2012
    ^Yeah, Kenny's behaviour pretty much sapped all my respect for the guy, and he killed a fairly unpopular character. Being said character's daughter makes it that much worse, I'd be surprised if she can tolerate being in the same group as Kenny longer than the next episode.
  • edited July 2012
    Gennadios wrote: »
    3rd episode? Too soon. All that'll leave is Katja on my Doug playthough. I don't want my survivor group to end up a sausage fest.

    What about the lady that will show up in episode 3?
  • edited July 2012
    How do you know Season 1 doesn't terminate at Woodbury?

    Season 2 could continue from there.
  • edited July 2012
    Zeruis wrote: »
    What about the lady that will show up in episode 3?

    It's already been established in the Romance thread that it might just end up being an androgynous anime character.
  • edited July 2012
    Well the events with Lilly in the comics happen approximately a year after the Apocalypse started. Right now we're 3-4 months in, since season 2 skips 3 months, so there is still plenty of time to get Lilly to Woodbury and stick to the cannon.

    I remember one of the writers saying that episode 4 was "Fucked up" and I imagine that's when they get to Woodbury.

    Really looking forward to see what actually happends.
  • edited July 2012
    Lilly could stay till episode five, like the op said they could all arrive in Woodbury in one episode, leave and then if Lilly dose leave the group in a later episode she would return to Woodbury for the safety in numbers thing as she says she wants a permeate base like at the motel.

    In the comic someone says to Rick the Governor wasn't always like this so Lee's group could meet him before insanity and even his daughter’s troubles which makes Lilly staying more believable.
  • edited July 2012
    I have a feeling the group will be remaining at Woodbury for a while. It's a secure location which everyone is looking for, a hundred times better than a fortified motel. So why would anyone bypass such a 'perfect looking' place and aimlessly keep heading for the coast? It's probably after seeing that their leadership is a evil POS that Lee and a few others realize that they need to leave. How you treat Lilly will probably determine if she helps you to escape or takes a shot at you.
  • edited July 2012
    Maybe at Woodbury Kenny decides to leave just because Lilly wants to stay? I can very well see him leaving out of spite just because Lilly thinks otherwise, or maybe he has problems with the Govenor because he doesn't see him as doing the best for his (Kenny's) family.
  • edited August 2012
    I've been mulling around the idea that perhaps we head to Woodbury, but Lilly doesn't leave the group at that time. It could be possible that she stays with us to the end of the story, and at that point extenuating circumstances lead her BACK to Woodbury.

    In all honesty though, I think she's leaving. The death of her father had to be pretty traumatic, and episode three would be the ample time to have her "split".

    I was thinking about this possibility as well. First I thought she might jump ship right away, but I've been thinking, maybe some decision a little further down the road forces her to return to Woodbury.
  • edited August 2012
    I reckon Lilly will have a clash moment "shall I stay or shall I go?"
  • edited August 2012
    Ok, I'm new here :) I love The Walking Dead, both series and comic, as well as game... My guess is..
    Lilly leaves the group alone not allowing anyone to come with her, she leaves to Woodbury.. Kenny leaves with his family and Ben without Lee.. In the end Lee becomes leader of his own group which has Clem, Doug/Carley and maybe some new characters and they head to some new destination..
    According to Wikia, Episode 4 - Chapter 1 - Georgia's First City so I'm guessing they are going towards Georgia..And according to Google, Georgia's First City is called Savannah..And who is in Savannah? Yes, that's right, Clem's parents. My guess is that she miss her parents and since she is losing trust to Lee, seeing him kill and beat those guys, Lee has to prove that he is a good man and Doug, Clem and Lee go to Savannah to find her parents.

    I'm just guessing.. :)

    So in the end, Lilly will leave the group, and that's good, I don't like either one of them, Kenny and Lilly..
    I want to see Lee as a leader.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited August 2012
    I reckon Lilly will have a clash moment "shall I stay or shall I go?"

    If she stays there will be trouble.
    But if she goes it will be double.

    But the bigger question is does Lee want a relationship or to just let off some steam.

    Does he commit?
    or will she blow?
  • edited August 2012
    MaxX_94 wrote: »
    Ok, I'm new here :) I love The Walking Dead, both series and comic, as well as game... My guess is..
    Lilly leaves the group alone not allowing anyone to come with her, she leaves to Woodbury.. Kenny leaves with his family and Ben without Lee.. In the end Lee becomes leader of his own group which has Clem, Doug/Carley and maybe some new characters and they head to some new destination..
    According to Wikia, Episode 4 - Chapter 1 - Georgia's First City so I'm guessing they are going towards Georgia..And according to Google, Georgia's First City is called Savannah..And who is in Savannah? Yes, that's right, Clem's parents. My guess is that she miss her parents and since she is losing trust to Lee, seeing him kill and beat those guys, Lee has to prove that he is a good man and Doug, Clem and Lee go to Savannah to find her parents.

    I'm just guessing.. :)

    So in the end, Lilly will leave the group, and that's good, I don't like either one of them, Kenny and Lilly..
    I want to see Lee as a leader.

    I'm thinking that once Lilly leaves, the group will then fall apart. There will be no legitimate leader within the group, which I think that Lee will soon take over.
  • edited August 2012
    I don't think Lily will choose to leave the group so much as Kenny will stay with the plan to head for his boat and Lee won't be allowed in. This leaves Lily and the new guy staying.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited August 2012
    Maybe Carley/Doug will decide to go on his/her own because they find out someone they care about is alive {presumably} in a diffrent direction then Lee and Clem are going.
  • edited August 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    Maybe Carley/Doug will decide to go on his/her own because they find out someone they care about is alive {presumably} in a diffrent direction then Lee and Clem are going.

    I guess that could happen, but since you saved their lifes, risked your own, I think they will follow you with Clem.. But I think we will definitely see group torn apart and Lee becoming leader of his own group.. Maybe we will finally see some bad-ass Lee standing up to Lilly and Kenny, maybe that's the reason why they don't want him at Boat/Woodbury..
    We shall see! :)
  • edited August 2012
    Well we all know Lilly leaves for some reason and that is unavoidable but I am looking forward more to see if we will have any contact with The Governor himself... That is why i am wanting to play Ep. 3 the most.
  • edited August 2012
    Well we all know Lilly leaves for some reason and that is unavoidable but I am looking forward more to see if we will have any contact with The Governor himself... That is why i am wanting to play Ep. 3 the most.

    As much as I would also like to see the Gov, I don't it's going to happen. We already have two novels penned down for the Governor. Add a video game in, and we will almost have the entirety of his life in-apocalypse.
  • if she does, shes zombie bait.

    i think she knows this. considering shes the authority figure on the subject of survivial.
  • edited August 2012
    if she does, shes zombie bait.

    i think she knows this. considering shes the authority figure on the subject of survivial.

    Have you read the comics? She survives. In the prison arc, she is shown with an entirely new group.
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