Nope bandits knew about the motel and it was one of their alternative after the dairy went down, just like Clem's stalker said.
Plus Lilly would of shot Ben in the face the second he said he'd made a deal with the bandits, she tried even when she didn't know it was him for certain, why wouldn't she when she did know? She was unstable from her dad's death.
You're dealing in what-if's and the inner workings of Lily's mind, only Kirkman can do that:) Im giving you facts from Ep3
I get it, Ben was giving supplies to the bandits without anyone's consent. Wasn't he doing it to keep them from attacking the motel and killing the group? I must have missed something, because I thought he was doing it after Lilly accused him but didn't give a damn.
If the group needed to tithe the bandits to keep from getting raided, who cares who was doing it? What did I miss?
I agree with Lilly 100% on this - what he was doing was the same as putting a knife to someone's throat while they slept and then cutting it.
As far as I'm concerned, willing or not, he was a mole from an enemy group.
right like i said lilly had nothing to do with why the bandits attacked it was ben and lily did what she had to do those bandits deserved what they got they were scumbags if ben had said something to the group than lee wouldnt have had to find the bag and remove it causing the bandits to attack the group
No, bandits attacked because Lilly shot one... they were perfectly willing to make a deal and leave. Why would they want to lose a bunch a men and a constant flow of supplies?
Also scumbags are to dealt with on one's own terms, Lilly's lucky everyone didn't die in that firefight.
wow so you guys are cold, starving, risking your lives running through abandoned drugs stores trying to keep the ones you love and care for alive, some dude walks up, says gimme your stuff (mind you, both sides are armed) and your 1st reaction is to strike a deal...
Damn guys, we're all behind keyboards, at least talk a good fight
Tell me you'd rip his tongue out and shove it down his buddies throat before you let some BS like that happen
No, bandits attacked because Lilly shot one... they were perfectly willing to make a deal and leave. Why would they want to lose a bunch a men and a constant flow of supplies?
Also scumbags are to dealt with on one's own terms, Lilly's lucky everyone didn't die in that firefight.
no before lilly shot thay had everyone on their knees with guns pointed at the back of their heads including the kids that is an attack thats why she shot there is no reasoning with people like that
What if before leaving the bandits had shot one of your group? Would that have been an acceptable loss? Lee was stalling them, that's all.
However, Ben only delayed the inevitable by giving the bandits supplies.
what if everyone had died in the firefight Lilly started, which should have happened if not for Lee and Carley's insane gun skills. Our gang was out numbered and out gunned, if they'd have been a might more organised or spotted Lilly everyone would've died not just your hypothetical single person, plus that single person would've probably been Ben for fucking with them earlier.
They had a fortified position. And on one side... Ex-Military, a war reporter and the main character who's going to be asskickingly awesome... vs... a group of idiots from Save Lots... that's like the Lowes of this setting right?
I agree with Lilly 100% on this - what he was doing was the same as putting a knife to someone's throat while they slept and then cutting it.
As far as I'm concerned, willing or not, he was a mole from an enemy group.
He was supplying them was his only choice, he stops bandits attack, he tells the group Lilly could legit kill him. He's a retard but he'd have been stuck no matter what.
wow so you guys are cold, starving, risking your lives running through abandoned drugs stores trying to keep the ones you love and care for alive, some dude walks up, says gimme your stuff (mind you, both sides are armed) and your 1st reaction is to strike a deal...
Damn guys, we're all behind keyboards, at least talk a good fight
Tell me you'd rip his tongue out and shove it down his buddies throat before you let some BS like that happen
There wouldn't have to be any legitimacy to the deal. The choice from any reasonable person in that position's perspective is make a deal or die in a fire fight with an army of bandits.
No, bandits attacked because Lilly shot one... they were perfectly willing to make a deal and leave. Why would they want to lose a bunch a men and a constant flow of supplies?
Also scumbags are to dealt with on one's own terms, Lilly's lucky everyone didn't die in that firefight.
not being a smartass here, but, when you looked out Lily's trailer and see your whole crew on their kness, shotgun barrels on their neck...thats not 2 parties coming together for a trade agreement, their side got the drop on your side and your side is currently in a state of being held captive, that is what being in a prone position with a weapon drawn on your head will look like and iirc that is why that part of the episode was called the ambush.
But I see your point, you are of the mind that these guys dont want any trouble, they just want to leech off the efforts of your group and thats cool with you. All Im saying is that if there was no agreement with bandits then there would be no ambush, which would mean someone would have been on watch to see those walkers coming, Duck doesnt get bit, Kat doesnt die. Since there's no agreement,(because Ben comes clean) Lily never wigs Carley is still alive. Seems pretty crystal clear to me
no before lilly shot thay had everyone on their knees with guns pointed at the back of their heads including the kids that is an attack thats why she shot there is no reasoning with people like that
Taking prisoners is not an attack, no more that civilian arrest counts as violent assault. But regarless, no one had started shotting so there was still an out that could result in zero deaths.
There wouldn't have to be any legitimacy to the deal. The choice from any reasonable person in that position's perspective is make a deal or die in a fire fight with an army of bandits.
They had a fortified position. And on one side... Ex-Military, a war reporter and the main character who's going to be asskickingly awesome... vs... a group of idiots from Save Lots... that's like the Lowes of this setting right?
Lulz... Those bandits were outclassed.
If it wasn't a losing battle why'd they run, the bandits were getting in the motel, that no defense, neither is the filmsy side of an RV. No one knew who the save lot bandits were composed of, plenty of military vets end up in bum jobs.
He convinced Kenny to stop the train and "deal" with duck using force or words your choice.
yes but if lee didnt do that than duck turns and kills katjaa clem and ben and than lee than you have to start over and make kenny deal with it katjaa knew what had to be done and asked lee to get kenny imo lee did what he had to do to get his friend to wise up and deal
not being a smartass here, but, when you looked out Lily's trailer and see your whole crew on their kness, shotgun barrels on their neck...thats not 2 parties coming together for a trade agreement, their side got the drop on your side and your side is currently in a state of being held captive, that is what being in a prone position with a weapon drawn on your head will look like and iirc that is why that part of the episode was called the ambush.
But I see your point, you are of the mind that these guys dont want any trouble, they just want to leech off the efforts of your group and thats cool with you. All Im saying is that if there was no agreement with bandits then there would be no ambush, which would mean someone would have been on watch to see those walkers coming, Duck doesnt get bit, Kat doesnt die. Since there's no agreement,(because Ben comes clean) Lily never wigs Carley is still alive. Seems pretty crystal clear to me
But the Ambush = death, it was the reaction to it.
Only an idiot would risk the idea they had no back up, which funnily enought they did. Unsuprising when the bandit know the size of your group and that you're potentially well armed.
Taking prisoners is not an attack, no more that civilian arrest counts as violent assault. But regarless, no one had started shotting so there was still an out that could result in zero deaths.
Ok so now you wont even admit that seeing Clem with a shotgun drawn down on her didnt strike you as an act of aggression. A weapon pointed at an 8 yr, and you still think these guys are here to talk about Sunday's game.
Im done here
I'll be waiting for you when you start the 'Lily accidentally shot Carley in the face from 18" thread
For everyone pinning the deaths on Ben, you realize Lilly was ready to waste "suspected thief" already right? She even told lee that you need to line everyone up, she didn't ask or bother for more proof of one person, she was going to intimidate everyone. I imagine D/C would react the same as on the road, shit was about to get real regardless.
Sure Ben messed up but that doesn't pin blame on him, in fact, your whole group was divided on almost every topic.
yes but if lee didnt do that than duck turns and kills katjaa clem and ben and than lee than you have to start over and make kenny deal with it katjaa knew what had to be done and asked lee to get kenny imo lee did what he had to do to get his friend to wise up and deal
But it still proves Lee can push through a very sensitive issue and deal in a time constrained situation, just like the bandits, which was my point.
Ok so now you wont even admit that seeing Clem with a shotgun drawn down on her didnt strike you as an act of aggression. A weapon pointed at an 8 yr, and you still think these guys are here to talk about Sunday's game.
Im done here
I'd like to remind you that 8 year can now handle a gun, why take the risk. Also never said it wasn't an act of agression just that it wasn't an attack. Plus that was irrelevant anyway, because so what the guys got a fucking gun to clem head one slip up and it's gone, she's not in immediate danger until Lilly pulls her trigger.
But it still proves Lee can push through a very sensitive issue and deal in a time constrained situation, just like the bandits, which was my point.
yea i mean lilly did over react shes a hothead like her father if it was me i would have played it safe and struck a deal and than got the hell out of there it was way past time to move on i really didnt like lilly as a leader and i am glad she is gone i agree she should have waited to see if the bandits were gonna do anything i think lee had it under control but people do stupid shit when there are zombies walking around lol
If it wasn't a losing battle why'd they run, the bandits were getting in the motel, that no defense, neither is the filmsy side of an RV. No one knew who the save lot bandits were composed of, plenty of military vets end up in bum jobs.
The bandits were dying, because there were walkers invading at one end and they were getting shot on the other.
And any bandit killed without a headshot would soon become a walker....
They had to flee. The place was being overrun... but the bandits were screwed.
First, Ben said the bandits had his friends. More than one friend. Several friends.
Second, do you think Ben was in a position to say, "Oh, interesting offer bandits. Let me go discuss this with the group and get back to you." They had hostages. You know what we do when people take us hostage? We kill you and sic zombies on you and shoot laser pointers in your eyes.
Third, no one even noticed the supplies Ben was giving away were missing. Even Lee says the amount of supplies missing is so small that no one would care once he found out about it. The only reason Lilly knew is because she keeps a secret count of supplies and doesn't tel anyone about it (which is really creepy).
Fourth, Lilly already tried to throw Ben out on his ass back to the walkers. She threw a huge fit over Lee saving his life in the first place. You think Ben wanted to risk that again, especially while people kept treating Lilly like the boss?
Fifth, Lilly tried to throw ALL OF US out at some point. Even Duck and Clementine. She's a cold-blooded asshole. Seriously, she's a psycho fascist monster.
Sixth, Lilly always hated Carley. Always. First time you met her she was fighting Carley for saving our lives. In fact, Lilly spends every episode in a ten minute argument about how we need to kill somebody or throw somebody to the walkers. Are we not even playing the same game? She's a total shit!
Seventh, Lilly shot the bandits. Lilly attracted the zombies. Lilly killed Carley. Lilly was threatening to kill Ben. This wasn't about Ben coming clean in the RV, this was about Lilly looking for someone to shoot in the head to satisfy her bloodlust and thirst for power and control.
He betrayed a group that took him in when they were in dire straits, fed their enemies vital supplies and got one of those in the group killed in the process. He's a liability- lacking courage, integrity, decency and moral fiber.
Even if the amount he was stealing was insignificant, he demonstrates that he does not belong with the group by the choices he made. He betrayed the group for "a friend". What the hell is the group to him, then?
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You're dealing in what-if's and the inner workings of Lily's mind, only Kirkman can do that:) Im giving you facts from Ep3
I agree with Lilly 100% on this - what he was doing was the same as putting a knife to someone's throat while they slept and then cutting it.
As far as I'm concerned, willing or not, he was a mole from an enemy group.
No, bandits attacked because Lilly shot one... they were perfectly willing to make a deal and leave. Why would they want to lose a bunch a men and a constant flow of supplies?
Also scumbags are to dealt with on one's own terms, Lilly's lucky everyone didn't die in that firefight.
wait who did he convince to kill their own son
Damn guys, we're all behind keyboards, at least talk a good fight
Tell me you'd rip his tongue out and shove it down his buddies throat before you let some BS like that happen
no before lilly shot thay had everyone on their knees with guns pointed at the back of their heads including the kids that is an attack thats why she shot there is no reasoning with people like that
what if everyone had died in the firefight Lilly started, which should have happened if not for Lee and Carley's insane gun skills. Our gang was out numbered and out gunned, if they'd have been a might more organised or spotted Lilly everyone would've died not just your hypothetical single person, plus that single person would've probably been Ben for fucking with them earlier.
You can't deny that clem's stalker is proof that the bandit would've attacked the motel.
And you can't deny Lilly shot at Ben without proof, there's no way she wouldn't have with proof, that makes no sense at all.
Please.
They had a fortified position. And on one side... Ex-Military, a war reporter and the main character who's going to be asskickingly awesome... vs... a group of idiots from Save Lots... that's like the Lowes of this setting right?
Lulz... Those bandits were outclassed.
He was supplying them was his only choice, he stops bandits attack, he tells the group Lilly could legit kill him. He's a retard but he'd have been stuck no matter what.
He convinced Kenny to stop the train and "deal" with duck using force or words your choice.
There wouldn't have to be any legitimacy to the deal. The choice from any reasonable person in that position's perspective is make a deal or die in a fire fight with an army of bandits.
not being a smartass here, but, when you looked out Lily's trailer and see your whole crew on their kness, shotgun barrels on their neck...thats not 2 parties coming together for a trade agreement, their side got the drop on your side and your side is currently in a state of being held captive, that is what being in a prone position with a weapon drawn on your head will look like and iirc that is why that part of the episode was called the ambush.
But I see your point, you are of the mind that these guys dont want any trouble, they just want to leech off the efforts of your group and thats cool with you. All Im saying is that if there was no agreement with bandits then there would be no ambush, which would mean someone would have been on watch to see those walkers coming, Duck doesnt get bit, Kat doesnt die. Since there's no agreement,(because Ben comes clean) Lily never wigs Carley is still alive. Seems pretty crystal clear to me
Taking prisoners is not an attack, no more that civilian arrest counts as violent assault. But regarless, no one had started shotting so there was still an out that could result in zero deaths.
An army of 4
If it wasn't a losing battle why'd they run, the bandits were getting in the motel, that no defense, neither is the filmsy side of an RV. No one knew who the save lot bandits were composed of, plenty of military vets end up in bum jobs.
yes but if lee didnt do that than duck turns and kills katjaa clem and ben and than lee than you have to start over and make kenny deal with it katjaa knew what had to be done and asked lee to get kenny imo lee did what he had to do to get his friend to wise up and deal
But the Ambush = death, it was the reaction to it.
Only an idiot would risk the idea they had no back up, which funnily enought they did. Unsuprising when the bandit know the size of your group and that you're potentially well armed.
Ok so now you wont even admit that seeing Clem with a shotgun drawn down on her didnt strike you as an act of aggression. A weapon pointed at an 8 yr, and you still think these guys are here to talk about Sunday's game.
Im done here
I'll be waiting for you when you start the 'Lily accidentally shot Carley in the face from 18" thread
Sure Ben messed up but that doesn't pin blame on him, in fact, your whole group was divided on almost every topic.
But it still proves Lee can push through a very sensitive issue and deal in a time constrained situation, just like the bandits, which was my point.
I'd like to remind you that 8 year can now handle a gun, why take the risk. Also never said it wasn't an act of agression just that it wasn't an attack. Plus that was irrelevant anyway, because so what the guys got a fucking gun to clem head one slip up and it's gone, she's not in immediate danger until Lilly pulls her trigger.
Also it's 3.30am here...
yea i mean lilly did over react shes a hothead like her father if it was me i would have played it safe and struck a deal and than got the hell out of there it was way past time to move on i really didnt like lilly as a leader and i am glad she is gone i agree she should have waited to see if the bandits were gonna do anything i think lee had it under control but people do stupid shit when there are zombies walking around lol
The bandits were dying, because there were walkers invading at one end and they were getting shot on the other.
And any bandit killed without a headshot would soon become a walker....
They had to flee. The place was being overrun... but the bandits were screwed.
Ah, the silver lining!
Second, do you think Ben was in a position to say, "Oh, interesting offer bandits. Let me go discuss this with the group and get back to you." They had hostages. You know what we do when people take us hostage? We kill you and sic zombies on you and shoot laser pointers in your eyes.
Third, no one even noticed the supplies Ben was giving away were missing. Even Lee says the amount of supplies missing is so small that no one would care once he found out about it. The only reason Lilly knew is because she keeps a secret count of supplies and doesn't tel anyone about it (which is really creepy).
Fourth, Lilly already tried to throw Ben out on his ass back to the walkers. She threw a huge fit over Lee saving his life in the first place. You think Ben wanted to risk that again, especially while people kept treating Lilly like the boss?
Fifth, Lilly tried to throw ALL OF US out at some point. Even Duck and Clementine. She's a cold-blooded asshole. Seriously, she's a psycho fascist monster.
Sixth, Lilly always hated Carley. Always. First time you met her she was fighting Carley for saving our lives. In fact, Lilly spends every episode in a ten minute argument about how we need to kill somebody or throw somebody to the walkers. Are we not even playing the same game? She's a total shit!
Seventh, Lilly shot the bandits. Lilly attracted the zombies. Lilly killed Carley. Lilly was threatening to kill Ben. This wasn't about Ben coming clean in the RV, this was about Lilly looking for someone to shoot in the head to satisfy her bloodlust and thirst for power and control.
tl;dr Lilly's a piece of shit.
Even if the amount he was stealing was insignificant, he demonstrates that he does not belong with the group by the choices he made. He betrayed the group for "a friend". What the hell is the group to him, then?
He deserves to be raped by dogs.