Katjaa and Duck (spoilers)
Everyone is so upset about Carley, Which I get, I liked her too , that I feel like Kat and Duck's deaths were a bit overshadowed. I know how much people hated Duck, eventhough I didnt. I was wondering how everyone felt about what happened to them.
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As for duck. I shot him myself. I actually waited until he physically died/stopped breathing. SO I didn't make Lee a child murderer. Or at least that's what appeared to happen.
All of the event that happened in this episode were pretty overwealming. Ultimately I really felt bad for Kenny. He didn't deserve that. Altho I wasn't personally attached to his family. Not like Carley.
I did the same. He definetely seems to stop breathing if you leave it for a minute. I kept holding fire, waiting to see if he was going to "come alive" as a walker, but it never seems to happen.
I was absolutely sure Katjaa was gone for sure. Thought she would just decide to stay behind with him though instead of killing herself. Both make perfect sense though.
Shot Duck myself. I mean it should be Batman who finishes Robin
It works out in my favour. Cause now he is a broken man with teh death of his family.A nd can easily be controlled. That's why I didn't give Duck the crackers and the water. I wanted this to happen. SO Kenny could be my loyal and depressed goon.
I offered to shoot Duck because making his own dad do it just seemed sick. I then waited for a few minutes to see if he'd turn, incase there was even a iota of hope that his body might beat the infection. When it came to Kat, it took my brain a little while to registered what had happened, at which point I mentally fell onto my knees, looked up at the sky, and shouted curses at the heavens. It wasn't any one death that broke me, it was the relentlessness of all three.
My second playthrough, knowing he was going to lose his family I just decided to be compassionate and supportive but the next time I play, I owe him a butt whipping.
I just said, "I just want to talk" or something and he calmed down. And then I said, "You have a wife and son who need you." and that made him stop the train.
Oh, I also said that he blamed himself for Duck getting bitten. I think that might have taken the air out of him.
I'm not really sure how they can top this episode. It was pretty much non-stop shock. Losing Lilly, Carley, Katja, and Duck triggered a barrage of "what the fuck!'s from me. Games never have an effect on me like that.
Yeah that moment, I went from WTF Carley now. How could this get worse. To the death of Ken's family and my already small group (after Ep. 2) becoming a shell of it's former self. Was so nuts.
I am so jaded by this game now that I really can't see Lee surviving Episode 5. In this one Episode alone, three group members died, one left/was abandoned, and another was revealed to have been going behind our backs practically since we met him.
Clem: "I get it. Sometimes you just gotta kill some people..."
Lee: "Whoa, wait, that's NOT what I meant, Clem! What the hell!"
Duck was always happy, which was bizarre. And then he did that whole Batman and Robin thing and, I have to say, I went ahead and high-fived him for that one. TTG made me a Duck believer -- and then they killed him because screw me and my emotions, that's why.
But as I said before, Kaatja's death was more affecting than Carley's. I sort of saw Carley's death coming, but I honestly thought Kaatja was stronger than that. Clem is my partner, Kenny's my rival, Carley's my buddy, but Kaatja was my moral compass.
This is really how I felt. Kat always seemed like the voice of reason, the person I could rely on to keep a straight head and to help stabilize our group. I was honestly amazed that she could kill herself in front of her dying son and leave Kenny to face his entire family's death all alone. I never expected that from her.
I guess it just goes to show how even the strongest of us have a breaking point.
Plus I don't think Duck saw anything. I think his eyes were closed and with him so close to death, he isn't going to be seeing clearly anyway.
We don't know if Duck was that far gone for sure. Maybe. Who knows?
I just didn't expect it from Kat. Her being the one to stabilize Kenny, she seemed to have it put together so much more. I'm not surprised that she did, and I understand why, I'm not saying I don't. I just...didn't expect it.
Yeah, that really happened in teh game.
As for Katjaa, as IF she would make her child WATCH her shoot herself. That's not a good mother.
Also what about her husband? How is he going to feel, watching her die as well as his son? What a bitch.
As for Duck, there was a clue in the train engine that the guy did not turn. So MAYBE there are ways or some people that can die without coming back.
I treated Duck alright so far until this episode, it annoyed me that he was listening to my conversation with Lilly, so I just told him to piss of the entire episode. And after he got bit I really felt like shit.
Then came the moment of Katjaa and Duck, and I felt I did not deserve to put him out of his misery, and that it was Kenny who had to put an end to it all. Maybe this would cure his cowardice. But well.. Regardless this was the most heartbreaking bit on this episode.
Carley and Lilly was bad enough but that was a heat of the moment thing, and this was slow, it dragged on, and stayed in your head until the very end.
Precisely how I felt. That whole Carley/Lilly thing was on my mind throughout the entire episode. In fact, I'll be honest enough to admit it made me less sensitive to the Kat's suicide scene. When that was over, I just lost all enthusiasm.
I waited at least a couple of minutes with the gun pointed right as his head and nothing happened. I was tempted to leave it longer, but got bored.
He kills Lilly's dad so easily because he is 'GOING TO TURN' and he's so sure he's right about that. But then hours/days later into the story, he's all defensive of his son. Very hypocritical and not believable after he went to such lengths to make sure Lilly's dad didn't come back.
Would YOU be willing to callously kill your child/parent/spouse in that situation? I think most people would struggle with it.
Actually I could do it. I watched my mother die from lung & brain cancer 2 years ago, my grandmother from organ failure 5 months ago. Then my cat went into seizures the next day and 8 weeks ago had to put him down due to leukemia virus/lymphoma cancer. After my mother died, I looked after a disabled wild pigeon that was going into shock.. kept him alive for 6.5 months but when organ failure occurred, he tried to land on his head.. only half broke his neck so I had to finish it to put him out of his misery.
So yes, none of these choices are fun. But when my mother was dying, I felt a message sent from her mentally (she was in chemocide dehydration/malnurishment/psychosis so couldn't speak), that if she kept going the way she was, to put a pillow over her.. not the kind of thing I woudl think of myself, really felt she sent me that thought. She always asked me before, if she ever had anything wrong with her brain like dementia etc, to euthanise her..
So from these instances, yes, if Clem was bitten, I would do my best to make sure she didn't hurt anyone else or come back as a zombie asap.
However I DO understand Kenny's hypocritical nature. Sure, it is a lot easier to kill Lilly's father whom he hated for how he treated Duck.. than to kill Duck. But after that he should have realised. He ruined Lilly's goodbye.. I wanted to do the same to him. I was so angry. The whole time he's nursing Duck, I wanted to grab a brick and smash it on his head. OR at very least have the dialog opportunity to call him a hypocrite and remind him about Lilly's dad every chance I could get!!
Callous - Showing or having an insensitive and cruel disregard for others.
I wouldn't think it would be callous to kill your loved one, saving others from when they turn into a parasitic entity. Also to stop the parasite from taking over the brain, in these cases 'killing your loved one' is actually compassion, ending suffering and for the safety of everyone currently alive. As once bitten they are as 'good as dead' as there is no cure for this parasitic blood disease. Interesting that the train driver did not turn.
It's like the plague. When someone has it, no time for remorse or hanging out with them to say goodbye, lest you should get it yourself.