Abundance of False choices in conversations
It seems like there are way too many conversation choice where the choice is immediately irrelevant and just there to add interactivity. I didn't mind the game choices that are there to convey futility, but this happens way too often to be about that and sometimes the choice is so irrelevant the characters dialogue immediately contradicts it.
I've no qualms with conversation that go by with input from the player, in fact there are a few such in the game already so telltale isn't adamantly against them, but when the choices feel forced or pointless it's just obnoxious. Please stop doing that, Telltale.
I've no qualms with conversation that go by with input from the player, in fact there are a few such in the game already so telltale isn't adamantly against them, but when the choices feel forced or pointless it's just obnoxious. Please stop doing that, Telltale.
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I only ask cause most people want more dialogue options, not less
Exactly. If TellTale didn't put as much dialogue options this would simply be more of a movie.
No most conversation choices are fine, and there are plenty of them, I'm just annoyed when they add choices that don't do anything.
I get the same feeling. At the beginning of EP3 I started picking off the zombies one by one when Kenny abruptly tells Lee to cut it out and pulls him up. It's moments like this that diminish the game as a whole. I hope TTG doesn't disappoint in the last two installments.
I don't get it: you choose to write this, and it is immediately irrelevant b/c it's been talked about to death and TTG isn't changing anything, yet you don't seemed to be so nearly as bothered about the relevancy.
Also, what is a false choice? It doesn't make sense when it's thought about. Look, Lee has choice to say what he wants. If the other characters react the exact same way regardless that didn't limit your choice at all.
I would dare say it's called a framed narrative. Esentially you're not playing Lee, you're re-playing Lee. This story isnt ongoing, it's already happened.
When the RV pulls over and Lily tries to find out who the traitor is....
If you blame Carley, shes like "what the hell Lee?!" or something like that, then right afterwards she tells Lily "Try being like Lee for once!, try helping others". Even though you blamed Carley she STILL thinks your helping when clearly your not -_-
Your scam has gone long enough TTG :P
Im not buying Season 2 if this is all to offer. What's probably going to happen in the end is that even if you were a 100% jerk to Kenny, you still get to ride the boat, same if you were nice too* If they even make it that far and If Kenny is even still alive...*
Um I think you have to read example given again bud, has nothing to do with the other characters not reacting to what Lee says just to move the story along (even though that does happen lots)
So why is it that this episode gets rid of the only greater choice-induced story difference already?
In episode 1, we could either save Carley or Doug. And suddenly, both die at the very beginning of episode 3 because the plot demands for Lilly to lose it. Without any control by the player.
OK, I get it. Bad stuff does happen to good people beyond their control all the time. Yet shouldn't the death of Carley/Doug only be one of multiple outcomes depending on how you talked to Lilly and the group before? At least we could have got a non-standard game-over when you took the blame for stealing the supplies.
I want for this game to reflect my choices more. To really take them into account. Not just by stating that somebody will remember what I said. Which then often only results in a slightly different throw-away line that does not really change anything.
I very much do want very different outcomes due to my choices.
Instead, Telltale just hit the reset button, and nullified all my choices.
It does not matter what I have chosen in the past, the remaining group is quite the same independent from my choices. This is not what I have signed up for :-(
I do not want to decide if I or Kenny shoot Duck as long as the end result is the same. Instead, depending from my choices, it should be determined if Duck gets bitten in the first place!
I get there are limits to branching off the game paths, as there is a huge development overhead for each branch, that grows exponentially with each further choice. And maybe Telltale does not want to make content that only 10% of their players will see. But that is exactly what I want! An almost individualized experience. I want to be able to talk with my friends about my play-through and want to have my mind blown about the differences, and not realize how rail-roaded the game is in the end.
I would be willing to pay for such a game, double, tripple even. Even if it meant shorter play time for one play through. (Yet replayability would be high.) I cannot tell how much I want a game in which decisions really affect the story line. For me, it's something this medium could really excel at, but was only seldom tried. (The classic RPGs come to mind. The closest recent endeavor was The Witcher series, even with all those games' flaws. In the Witcher 2, the whole second chapter was completely different depending on one big choice. Mass Effect also had potential to greatness, but they blew it with the ending in the last one.)
Right now, I expect the rail-roading of the storyline in TWD to continue. Only giving us choices that at best will determine how something but not what happens. And if we are lucky we will have a few multiple endings. (Please let there be multiple endings.)
Yet I do not believe anymore that this game is shaped by how I play it. It simply is another game that gives the illusion of choice only to move forward in only one direction.
Lots of games do this, Baldur's Gate comes running to mind.
Um, s/he said "At the beginning of ep. 3 when you see the girl you can immediately choose to ignore the girl, but it don't matter kenny will tell you that you have to consider doing precisely that."
What am I missing?
Also RedPanda if I give you 4 options that all said "push the button" but used slightly different flavour text that's not a choice. In fact that's down right deceitful.
Nah, I think that's amusing where you have to say yes, but keep saying no over and over until they run out of ways to respond to it and you finally say yes.
Like in Pokemon Conquest, at the first battle where someone wants to join your army and you can say no like 20 times and huge hilarious dialogue emerges.
Your actions really don't seem to have much impact, so far at least... and although I've only just got Ep 3 I'm already wondering about it, having glimpsed a few comments from others
The best BioWare RPG ever made.
But im thinking Heavy rain budget was bigger and they could make different storylines for each Character with your actions as far as how you talk to people and the outcome of it.
This game might be limited as what can be done and i respect that if its the case
But i would love to see different outcomes fit my actions if possible. I dont wanna be an asshoe to Ben for example and he save me from zombies. Id rather see him leave me or if he do save me maybe he hesitates because hey Lee has been an asshoe to me.
I'm personally not asking every choice be big divergence point, I'm okay with the overall linearity (despite advertised), I'm mainly just squabbling over the occasion choices where the choice doesn't even make a difference in the shortest of term, they seem like pointless coddling to me.
Although that illusion of choice is awesome.
Also, Dragon Age: Origins? Really? DA:O doesn't change at all when you play through it except for the background story.
In one case you can kill someone who would otherwise just run away forever. In another case you can get revenge or eventually that guy can get challenged to a duel or he eventually gets locked up and then executed. Same result.
The choice between Alistair and the Queen is pretty much the choice between Doug and Carley. Except you have to live with the consequences of Doug and Carley's lives being saved for longer in TWD.
That Lee then says "We can't do that!" even though previously the players original choice was to ignore her, unless Lee suffers from schizophrenia it makes no sense for him to contradict himself like that... see?
Well, it kind of was advertised as one :rolleyes: No in name exactly, but in the sense that choice was supposed to matter.
I will be very disappointed if the game end being like the Jurassic Park were the only true difference for the story’s development is you dying or not.
I understand that is really difficult to produce a big number of plots (and must also say that the game story is very good and the characters are, in general, very good too), but that’s what had been said this game was about. There must be different lines to go.
Yeah, it's a shame that the second one wasn't worth finishing.
Perfect comment!!
We realize the 'story' is already written and our choices only matter slightly at which path we take, but the destination remains the same and none of our choices matter in that!
And I agree that if TellTale were do make the game reflect our individual choices more, then they would have to make this game much bigger, to include many more senerios.
Example: in EP1 we're given the option to leave Clems house at day or night.
Regardless what we choose, we still end up at the farm and meet Kenny etc.
I would prefer a situation where if we choose to go at night, we never goto Hershal's farm, never meet Kenny and family.. We could possibly find a car and drive to Macon ourselves, maybe never meet Lilly and Larry and the rest.. Save Lee's family and have them as our group.
Again, I realize something like that would require a whole new set of programming and development, but that's more to the point what we expected from TellTale when they advertise the game is tailored to our choices!
I agree, but TWD has a charm of its own.
I finished it, and I have to say it was one of the worst experiences in my life but atleast that paladin woman was a decent enough character to me that I Could finish it. PS: the combat was actiony, and it made me angry.
So you're saying you think the game should let you pick who lives and dies at any point in the story? Do you know how ridiculously difficult that would be to program? And how lame it would make the story?
Think about it; if you can choose whether someone lives or dies, are you going to let them die? Sure, you might let bad guys die, but you'll never let people like Doug or Carley or Duck or Katjaa or Mark die. It's just plain silly to think that you should be able to do that.
In the zombie apocalypse, people DIE. A LOT.
You paid $5 per episode. Having just one choice like this would essentially double the amount of effort and time that Telltale would have to put into it. And that's just for one such branching choice. You said you realise what it would involve, but do you really?
If your example were to be implemented, Telltale would have to make to different versions of episode 2. Then, if there is another diverging choice in episode 2, they have to make 4 versions of episode three. Do you see where this is going?
Telltale isn't a big company, and even big companies don't do this kind of thing (except for the Witcher 2 apparently?). But those games cost, depending on where you are, between $60 and $100.
It's just not feasible. Be happy with what has been delivered; a great story, with great characters (some of whom WILL die, no matter what you do), in a great setting, with a degree of choice. And remember what you're paying for this.
Talking about DragonMassAgeEffect 2 makes me sad...
but I really came in here to tell you all that in Heavy Rain you could do the most messed up stuff and the story still continues:
I accidentally drove my car off a pier with some poor lady who was going to help me out on a case in the passenger seat. That car sunk like a rock and she never came up
Heavy Rain is slightly different as if you miss a button with the quick time events you don't just die, different animations are implemented.
Characters can also die at different times - be that missing out on some locations etc.
It does allow some choice be it not much, The Walking Dead seems to offer 0 choice just quotes during the game "so and so will remember that" etc pretending that choice matters.
Heavy Rain is just as linear. People can only die in Heavy Rain at the very end. The same events happen no matter what. That's the standard. In Heavy Rain, Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy, and Jurassic Park, none of your choices do more than cosmetic changes until the very end.
It's the same thing, the only difference is that Heavy Rain has already ended and people can see the few offshoots: the girl can drown in the car and the characters can die
I wouldnt even know, all of that happened in the same playthrough. I just came to the realization that I suk at HeavyRain and gave it back to gamefly.
It was awesome graphics and nice setting but the pace was just too slow
Did you play Indigo Prophecy? It's less slow but way more bizarre. Check for a Lets Play.
That game was freakin awesome! That felt like an interactive movie to me
And the music was really good (especially when you trained on the punching bag), I lost count how many times I replayed it
I had to check the endings again, yes, there was some crazy fractal-looking gold entity, that was the ending I always chose
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