The Mystery Voice: A Plausible Scenario

edited November 2012 in The Walking Dead
A scenario occurred to me whereby the mysterious voice over Clem's walkie-talkie is entirely benevolent (albeit on the suspicious side). I'll leave interested readers to fill in a few blanks.

Clem's dad was injured. Clem's mom brought the dad to the hospital in Savannah. Mystery Voice was a nurse at the hosptial, and his hobby is shortwave radio (heck, why not). In tending to Clem's dad MV becomes friendly with both parents. The mom in particular confides their dilemna. Her husband is ill and their child is back in Macon, ostensibly under the care of a babysitter, but as the night progresses it becomes clear that all hell is breaking loose throughout the region, so mom gets more than desperate enough to discuss things with a stranger. Clem's mom mentions the walkie-talkie and shows her wt to MV who says, 'aha, that won't reach Macon, but I know how to boost the signal, if that'll help, and how to pick up weak signals at long distances'. As the ZA worsens, the nurse/ham radio operator gets seperated from Clem mere et pere, and out of concern for their little girl attempts to contact her through his shortwave equipment. He's holed up in his apartment and as he begins to talk with Clem learns that she's currently with a middling sized group of armed, angry people who sometimes hit each other.

Now, if you're MV, wouldn't you want to reunite Clem with her parents, but without exposing yourself to this armed group unnecessarily? Wouldn't you rather take a look at them first without revealing yourself? One way to do that is to stay in touch with Clem but without revealing yourself to this Lee character, and that homeless guy she mentioned. The obvious way to do that is to ask Clem to keep your conversations with her a secret for the time being. Also, given that you'd be able to tell Clem some specifics about her parents, you'd be able to prove to her that you knew them. Plus, Clem also thinks that just maybe one of the people in her group shot a kid. It happened out in the woods so she's nor sure. Also, this Lee guy cut Clem's hair. What kind of weirdo gives haircuts during the ZA?

Far better to conceal your identity and location until you get a look at this odd bunch--before revealing yourself and before leading them to Clem's parents whom you like and who may be very vulnerable if they're even still alive--than blindly give out too much information to armed adults you don't know but who sound pretty darned sketchy.
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  • edited September 2012
    My theory is that while they try to imply for the player that Clem's parents are kidnapped, in reality they are not and his dad or someone else just pretends to be kidnapper for some other end. It could even be trap.
  • edited September 2012
    Their blatantly dead, or at least die as Clementine's in the final picture for episode 5
  • edited September 2012
    That body could be Lee ya know.
  • edited September 2012
    I have doubts that the mystery person is malicious as well; in the preview of Episode 4, he says, "If I were you, I'd get out of the street. Now." which implies he's trying to help out.
  • edited September 2012
    Based on the messages you find in Clem's house.... it sounds like a walker got the dad in the initial outbreak.
  • edited September 2012
    Yeah it is heavily implied that a walker got him.
    But IIRC her mom says nothing about a bite per se. Just that he was attacked by a crazy guy.

    Take that at face value with no pretext. And it could be a living person who just attacked her dad in the wake of the violence of the outbreak. I'ms ure in those first few hours you'd have looters and other marginal types just waiting to go a little crazy as the country experiences a state of emergency. Perhaps he was carjacked or something.
  • edited September 2012
    Osc10 wrote: »
    I have doubts that the mystery person is malicious as well; in the preview of Episode 4, he says, "If I were you, I'd get out of the street. Now." which implies he's trying to help out.

    Yes, and in the trailer for episode 2 Carley gives Lee an energy bar and in the episode 3 trailer they were arguing outside the RV in daylight in a completely different scene.

    Don't go by the trailers.
  • edited September 2012
    I always thought these walkie talkies were extremly short ranged, I just can't come up with anything logical as of now.
  • edited September 2012
    LokiHavok wrote: »
    Yeah it is heavily implied that a walker got him.
    But IIRC her mom says nothing about a bite per se. Just that he was attacked by a crazy guy.

    Take that at face value with no pretext. And it could be a living person who just attacked her dad in the wake of the violence of the outbreak. I'ms ure in those first few hours you'd have looters and other marginal types just waiting to go a little crazy as the country experiences a state of emergency. Perhaps he was carjacked or something.

    I agree that the likeliest outcome, given what we know so far, is that he was bitten, either on the first day of the outbreak, or not long after, in the general mayhem, especially since hospitals are one of the worst places to be, and hospitals w morgues in cities would be insane.

    Still, it's certainly a non-neglible possibility that he's alive, with ordinary injuries. It does seem odd that no one has thought to call the answering machine at Clem's in case more messages were left. I know landlines especially might be down, but afaik no one's tried it.
  • edited September 2012
    Osc10 wrote: »
    I have doubts that the mystery person is malicious as well; in the preview of Episode 4, he says, "If I were you, I'd get out of the street. Now." which implies he's trying to help out.

    Yup, and that he knows they're in the street suggests he's observing them from a distance. That's consistent with the idea that he's trying to help, while at the same time staying under cover until he knows it's safe to directly contact Lee and Clem's group.
  • edited September 2012
    I always thought these walkie talkies were extremly short ranged, I just can't come up with anything logical as of now.

    He's probably using a ham radio.
  • edited September 2012
    Cyreen wrote: »
    He's probably using a ham radio.
    Hmm, but Clem's setup looks like a rather cheap model. How would she be able to broadcast back?

    As far as I could find out, the only way would be if there were repeater stations that could amplify her signal, but those would need power to work.
  • edited September 2012
    Hmm, but Clem's setup looks like a rather cheap model. How would she be able to broadcast back?

    I don't think she has been intentionally transmitting back. I think he's just been listening to her transmissions "talking" to her parents, gathering information about her and the group. It's only now that they're approaching Savannah that her walkie talkie is able to receive his transmissions.
  • edited September 2012
    Hmm, that'd make a lot of sense, actually.
  • edited September 2012
    Cyreen wrote: »
    I don't think she has been intentionally transmitting back. I think he's just been listening to her transmissions "talking" to her parents, gathering information about her and the group. It's only now that they're approaching Savannah that her walkie talkie is able to receive his transmissions.
    But that is the point! How would CLEM's signal reach the recipient? Her device doesn't have enough power to do that, so he couldn't listen, he could only talk TO her. Am I missing something?
  • edited September 2012
    If the guy was Clem's dad I don't really think he'd tell her to keep it a secret. I would think that he'd want to talk to the person responsible for saving his daughter.
  • edited September 2012
    But that is the point! How would CLEM's signal reach the recipient? Her device doesn't have enough power to do that, so he couldn't listen, he could only talk TO her. Am I missing something?

    His radio would be able to receive/transmit much greater distances than her walkie talkie. Due to short reception, she can't hear him, but his greater range allows him to hear her. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it until Ep. 4 proves me wrong or not.

    Worked with Jolene's car.
  • edited September 2012
    Ah, ok... I'll jump on your band wagon for now. :)
  • edited September 2012
    Cyreen wrote: »
    His radio would be able to receive/transmit much greater distances than her walkie talkie. Due to short reception, she can't hear him, but his greater range allows him to hear her. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it until Ep. 4 proves me wrong or not.

    Worked with Jolene's car.

    Wouldn't it be the other way around, though? Her walkie-talkie can only transmit so far, but a ham radio can send messages much further. But at the same time, to be able to pick anything up, the signal would have to reach far enough. So he'd be able to broadcast, but he wouldn't be able to get anything back. At least, I think.
  • edited September 2012
    if you had something sensitive enough to pick up a walkie talkie from that far away it would be sensitive enough to pick up all the white noise from the universe and the signal would just get lost in that white noise
  • edited September 2012
    Viden wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be the other way around, though? Her walkie-talkie can only transmit so far, but a ham radio can send messages much further.

    Considering how broken the transmission was that Lee and Kenny heard in the cab, evidently not. I think Clem's walkie talkie had to be within range of Savannah to receive.
    if you had something sensitive enough to pick up a walkie talkie from that far away it would be sensitive enough to pick up all the white noise from the universe and the signal would just get lost in that white noise

    It's only 166 miles between Macon and Savannah, no need to get carried away.

    It's a theory. You think of a better one, let me know.
  • edited September 2012
    Cyreen wrote: »
    Considering how broken the transmission was that Lee and Kenny heard in the cab, evidently not. I think Clem's walkie talkie had to be within range of Savannah to receive.



    It's only 166 miles between Macon and Savannah, no need to get carried away.

    It's a theory. You think of a better one, let me know.

    but how powerful could that walkie talkie be? to stand out from the white noise takes power.

    my theory is that he heard her talking to her parents on the train near savannah and decided to take advantage of her knowing she is on the way
  • edited September 2012
    As noted by Christa, it's definitely not a Fisher Price, and it's not how much range the walkie talkie has, but how much range his ham radio has that's relevant. How long he's been listening will be determined by how much he knows about their group.
  • edited September 2012
    Cyreen wrote: »
    As noted by Christa, it's definitely not a Fisher Price, and it's not how much range the walkie talkie has, but how much range his radio has that's relevant. How long he's been listening will be determined by how much he knows about their group.

    i really think it is about the power of the transmission, i will have to do some research, but even 100 miles is a massive distance for a hand held radio transmitter.

    Edit: for the moment i cant even find one that can reach more than 30 miles and that is extremely dependant on terrain and its line of sight so you cant overcome the curvature of the earth
  • edited September 2012
    Yeah, I think someone in savannah is out.
  • edited September 2012
    I'm chalking up that super powerful children's walkie to convenient plot device. Like certain characters in the comics traveling hundreds and hundreds of miles, over many days, without any incident (no traffic jams, roadblocks by bandits, herds of walkers, etc.). When it's not important to the story, they encounter no trouble, while some weeks it seems like there's a new terrifying obstacle every day.

    For what it's worth, I had a 70s era walkie talkie as a kid that could pick up CB and ham radio transmissions, but it couldn't broadcast far enough for anyone to ever hear me back. Picking up a signal from Savannah is entirely plausible, but sending one there with that walkie seems fictional to me. Here's where it'd be nice if they could say it really was broken and Doug fixed it and modified its range...
  • edited September 2012
    But how could Doug fix it? He was eaten by walkers at the drug store, remember?
  • edited September 2012
    Rock114 wrote: »
    But how could Doug fix it? He was eaten by walkers at the drug store, remember?

    more like shot by Lilly
  • edited September 2012
    For what it's worth, I had a 70s era walkie talkie as a kid that could pick up CB and ham radio transmissions, but it couldn't broadcast far enough for anyone to ever hear me back.

    Thank you!

    However, if you talked to Christa in episode three you know that wasn't a children's walkie. I suspect it was her dad's toy first.
    Rock114 wrote: »
    But how could Doug fix it? He was eaten by walkers at the drug store, remember?

    You're taking the word of an 8-year-old that it was broken to begin with. The batteries were probably dead and she chipped it or something and because it wasn't working, it was "broken".
  • edited September 2012
    Well, her dad's an engineer, right?

    It might not be a toy, it might have been something he used on the job.
  • edited September 2012
    Right before the walkie cut off, the voice said he needed something. Maybe he wanted Clem to lead the group over to him.
  • edited September 2012
    Zeruis wrote: »
    Right before the walkie cut off, the voice said he needed something. Maybe he wanted Clem to lead the group over to him.

    "Now I've barricaded myself in Savannah with ample provisions... but in my haste, I forgot cola!"
  • edited September 2012
    Just on circumstantial evidence, my money is the homeless drunk guy who wanted me to cut Clems hair and make her look like a boy. :mad:
  • edited September 2012
    "Now I've barricaded myself in Savannah with ample provisions... but in my haste, I forgot cola!"

    Damn, there was a vending machine back at the motor inn! Now he won't let us use his guns free of charge!
  • edited September 2012
    "Now I've barricaded myself in Savannah with ample provisions... but in my haste, I forgot cola!"

    Na-ah, it was "I need you to bring me ice!", warm pop is just yucky!
  • edited September 2012
    Okay, pencils down. The reference was to L4D2's "cola run" event. You still get half credit if you pointed out that warm soda sucks.
  • edited September 2012
    I'll have to go back and check this but assuming the radio has a very limited range, there can only be two answers as to who is the person talking on the other end of it.

    It would have to be someone in your group
    It'd have to be someone male
    It'd have to be someone at the motel
    It'd have to be someone who isn't dead

    That leaves Ben and Kenny.

    If it's a 2-way radio (a radio that can only talk to it's twin) then there is only 1 possible answer. That Kenny took the other radio off Glenn before he left.
    The other unknown is how long this person has been talking to Clem. Certainly they were at the motel, you see Clem talking on it, but before Ben arrived? Unknown.

    The most puzzling question in all this is whether the radio was ever broken? Either

    A) It was never broken and Clem knowingly lied
    In which case someone has been talking to her all along (and could only be Kenny)

    B) It was broken and someone fixed it
    I don't even know where to start on this one. You'd have to get it off Clem, fix it, tell her not to mention it.

    Of course the 3rd option in all of this is that the group has been stalked since they arrived at the motel and that stalker is now on the train with you. I wonder... who suddenly turned up out of nowhere, survived MONTHS on their own (despite being a drunk), introduced themselves and took an interest in Clem?

    * Strokes chin *

    Would make sense. Chuck being either part of the bandit group or possibly Daddy St John.
    Personally my money is on Kenny. I think he has known all along that Lee was a convicted killer and intended on taking Clem away from him.
  • edited September 2012
    Well, I think that maybe she was actually pretend talking, but the creepy guy picked up her frequence and kept listening to what she was saying. And when they were finally nearing Savannah, they were close enough so he could transmit a message her walkie-talkie.
  • edited September 2012
    Ninnuendo wrote: »
    I'll have to go back and check this but assuming the radio has a very limited range, there can only be two answers as to who is the person talking on the other end of it.

    It would have to be someone in your group
    It'd have to be someone male
    It'd have to be someone at the motel
    It'd have to be someone who isn't dead

    That leaves Ben and Kenny.

    If it's a 2-way radio (a radio that can only talk to it's twin) then there is only 1 possible answer. That Kenny took the other radio off Glenn before he left.
    The other unknown is how long this person has been talking to Clem. Certainly they were at the motel, you see Clem talking on it, but before Ben arrived? Unknown.

    The most puzzling question in all this is whether the radio was ever broken? Either

    A) It was never broken and Clem knowingly lied
    In which case someone has been talking to her all along (and could only be Kenny)

    B) It was broken and someone fixed it
    I don't even know where to start on this one. You'd have to get it off Clem, fix it, tell her not to mention it.

    Of course the 3rd option in all of this is that the group has been stalked since they arrived at the motel and that stalker is now on the train with you. I wonder... who suddenly turned up out of nowhere, survived MONTHS on their own (despite being a drunk), introduced themselves and took an interest in Clem?

    * Strokes chin *

    Would make sense. Chuck being either part of the bandit group or possibly Daddy St John.
    Personally my money is on Kenny. I think he has known all along that Lee was a convicted killer and intended on taking Clem away from him.

    It can't be Kenny, because he hears the transmission WITH you at the end of episode 3. The man is talking on the other end, sounds nothing like Kenny, and Kenny is there WITH YOU listening, mouth not moving. Ben doesn't have the cajones to do something like this, especially not after telling Lee that it was him dealing with the bandits. It's probably an all new character that Clem's been talking to and telling everything we've done.

    It's not just a two-way either, as long as there's another radio tuned in to the same frequency they can speak. The issue here being the range of course.
  • edited September 2012
    It WOULD be interesting to know if Clem had been lying to Lee the whole time.
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