Can walkers swim???

edited September 2012 in The Walking Dead
Lily said that Kenny's idea to get into the boat is just a 'pipe' dream but I don't know if they can swim or not. :(
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  • edited September 2012
    they may be able to float, but i don't think they have the mental capacity to swim, it is way more complex than shifting your weight forward and stopping yourself from falling over by putting your foot forward
  • edited September 2012
    they may be able to float, but i don't think they have the mental capacity to swim, it is way more complex than shifting your weight forward and stopping yourself from falling over by putting your foot forward

    funny, when I have to admit to folks that I can't swim they always talk about how its natural to be able to swim. That the only reason people who never learned how to swim drown is because they panic.

    Walkers don't seem like the panic type.You have to be aware of danger and your mortality to panic, things the walkers have no concern for.
  • edited September 2012
    funny, when I have to admit to folks that I can't swim they always talk about how its natural to be able to swim. That the only reason people who never learned how to swim drown is because they panic.

    Walkers don't seem like the panic type.You have to be aware of danger and your mortality to panic, things the walkers have no concern for.

    the only natural thing humans do when in water is hold there breath, but think about the way a zombie moves on land, could that ever translate into swimming, what style of swimming do we expect the zombies to do? breaststroke, backstroke, doggy paddle?

    i don't think they could do anything other than just thrash about a bit
  • edited September 2012
    They may not be able to actually swim, but they won't drown. They might be able to float or, like in World War Z, walk across the bottom of the ocean. The only place truly safe then, if that is possible in TWD, is the boat.
  • edited September 2012
    They'd still have to run in to town for supplies and shit... so I'd say yes, it is a dream. Get some place you can actively protect. Plus, you don't think there's pirates out there? Argh.
  • edited September 2012
    They'd still have to run in to town for supplies and shit... so I'd say yes, it is a dream. Get some place you can actively protect. Plus, you don't think there's pirates out there? Argh.

    Never thought of that :o
    Clementine could take over the ship and be called captain clementine :D
  • edited September 2012
    They'd still have to run in to town for supplies and shit... so I'd say yes, it is a dream. Get some place you can actively protect. Plus, you don't think there's pirates out there? Argh.

    is there anywhere that you can protect from thousands of zombies?
    but i agree pirates would be a danger
  • edited September 2012
    Well, they're living through an apocalypse. Living for now, that is. They tried the defensible position plan with the motor inn, and ran into a large group of bandits and a family of cannibals. I guess they think holding on to some place is hopeless now, so they'll go to the one place the walkers can't get them. Maybe they'll figure it out if they actually get to the boat.
  • edited September 2012
    Well, here's my point of view on this.

    First, as their is no real such thing as zombies, any speculation is based on personal belief but you can look at it from a "what if" perspective.

    What if zombies were real and how they are 'alive'.. The basic natural motor functions such as to feed, walking as we know is learned but becomes natural.

    I dont think Zombies could swim as it's a learned skill and needs to be conciously thought of to do. I would say the best a zombie could do is float or perhaps walk on the bottom of the ocean/lake etc.

    Makes ya wonder about feeding too.. we know is a natural function, but why do zombies need to feed on the living, they dont 'need' to eat to survive as they're already dead. they dont gain nourishment from it.. I think it's just to add to the horror of a fictional monster!
  • edited September 2012
    WowMutt wrote: »
    Well, here's my point of view on this.

    First, as their is no real such thing as zombies, any speculation is based on personal belief but you can look at it from a "what if" perspective.

    What if zombies were real and how they are 'alive'.. The basic natural motor functions such as to feed, walking as we know is learned but becomes natural.

    I dont think Zombies could swim as it's a learned skill and needs to be conciously thought of to do. I would say the best a zombie could do is float or perhaps walk on the bottom of the ocean/lake etc.

    Makes ya wonder about feeding too.. we know is a natural function, but why do zombies need to feed on the living, they dont 'need' to eat to survive as they're already dead. they dont gain nourishment from it.. I think it's just to add to the horror of a fictional monster!

    like it was said in another thread, they act like a virus, so feeding is not feeding its spreading/replicating
  • edited September 2012
    like it was said in another thread, they act like a virus, so feeding is not feeding its spreading/replicating

    then why not just a bite? why do they eat their victems?
  • edited September 2012
    WowMutt wrote: »
    then why not just a bite? why do they eat their victems?

    to kill them quicker maybe, maybe its is the virus's way of taking over the brain and it uses the eat instinct to spread
  • edited September 2012
    to kill them quicker maybe, maybe its is the virus's way of taking over the brain and it uses the eat instinct to spread

    I still just think it's a way to add to the horror of the creatures, making them more dangerouse and have a purpose.

    If zombies just wandered the earth and were no threat, then so what. We could just shoot them and would be over. They have to have something like feeding to make them a real threat.

    Of course we could say the same thing about Vampires.. They are already dead, so why drink blood? What do they get from it? Maybe is just to satisfy a hunger.. They wouldnt die of starvation, just constanty be starved if they had nothing to feed upon.

    Again, just another way to add to the horror of a fictional monster.

    Another thought.. I will not use the "R" word, but anyone could create a zombie or vampire story where it's not about feeding, but mating to spread the diseases. Just that would be much harder for movie makers to produce a movie where the monsters forcibly "mate" with the living to spread the virus.
  • edited September 2012
    WowMutt wrote: »
    I still just think it's a way to add to the horror of the creatures, making them more dangerouse and have a purpose.

    If zombies just wandered the earth and were no threat, then so what. We could just shoot them and would be over. They have to have something like feeding to make them a real threat.

    Of course we could say the same thing about Vampires.. They are already dead, so why drink blood? What do they get from it? Maybe is just to satisfy a hunger.. They wouldnt die of starvation, just constanty be starved if they had nothing to feed upon.

    Again, just another way to add to the horror of a fictional monster.

    Another thought.. I will not use the "R" word, but anyone could create a zombie or vampire story where it's not about feeding, but mating to spread the diseases. Just that would be much harder for movie makers to produce a movie where the monsters forcibly "mate" with the living to spread the virus.

    well if you think of fictional monsters like that, everything about them it just to add to the horror, but that is sort of dismissing all fiction as just ways to make you feel a certain way.

    but a "R" monster would be scary, a bit like alien in a way
  • edited September 2012
    the only natural thing humans do when in water is hold there breath, but think about the way a zombie moves on land, could that ever translate into swimming, what style of swimming do we expect the zombies to do? breaststroke, backstroke, doggy paddle?

    i don't think they could do anything other than just thrash about a bit

    All that decomposition might give them an advantage in staying afloat.
  • edited September 2012
    Doubt it. Walkers are so dumb they will drown and their lungs and heads will fill with water.
  • edited September 2012
    Bearcules wrote: »
    All that decomposition might give them an advantage in staying afloat.

    yeah, normal people blow up like a balloon if they decompose in the water, so zombies would at least get a bit of gas build up
  • edited September 2012
    nublar93 wrote: »
    Doubt it. Walkers are so dumb they will drown and their lungs and heads will fill with water.

    I dont know about that but it would be funny to see there head explode though :D
  • edited September 2012
    They don't need to swim, they would bloat and float and the tides would carry them. They can certainly grab and drag themselves forward. The ones that aren't bloated can walk to any island.
  • edited September 2012
    Cliffhanger ending for the season; "Oh my God, they can swim!"

    In all seriousness though, nah, I hope not and don't believe they can, at least not to the point that they would actually pose a threat.
  • edited September 2012
    Cyreen wrote: »
    They don't need to swim, they would bloat and float and the tides would carry them. They can certainly grab and drag themselves forward. The ones that aren't bloated can walk to any island.

    but they would be even less of a threat, night watch would still be necessary but the danger would be minimal
  • edited September 2012
    As pointed out in the game, zombies aren't the real threat. The question was whether they could swim.
  • edited September 2012
    Cyreen wrote: »
    As pointed out in the game, zombies aren't the real threat. The question was whether they could swim.

    i wouldn't count floating as swimming
  • edited September 2012
    Probably not, I mean, some HUMANS can't swim. (They learn, they learn.)

    Chances are pretty low.
  • edited September 2012
    i wouldn't count floating as swimming

    Right. Go back and read my original post because I really hate repeating myself.
  • edited September 2012
    Cyreen wrote: »
    They don't need to swim, they would bloat and float and the tides would carry them. They can certainly grab and drag themselves forward. The ones that aren't bloated can walk to any island.
    Cyreen wrote: »
    Right. Go back and read my original post because I really hate repeating myself.

    i was just being more specific, so the answer is no
  • edited September 2012
    They couldn't stay underwater for too long, too much water in the brain (not to mention pressure at too deep) would destroy it. Also, being that they are decomposing, the water would pull them apart as they flesh got saturated and fish would eat them too.
  • edited September 2012
    i think they may have an aversion to water and avoid it out of instinct, else they may just eventually all kill/destroy themselves from the walking into the sea
  • edited September 2012
    i think they may have an aversion to water and avoid it out of instinct

    Noooo.... that's rabies.
  • edited September 2012
    Cyreen wrote: »
    Noooo.... that's rabies.

    i didn't know that, but if it is a symptom for rabies it may be a symptom for zombies
  • edited September 2012
    Even if they can't swim, that boat is just too big of a target. It's small, it can't hold large groups and everybody is going to want it. I've never considered that stupid boat a good plan. It's suicide and it might not even be there.

    The biggest chance for survival are joining huge groups and societies such as Woodbury, Negan, Alexandria and so on.
  • edited September 2012
    I agree, a boat is a bad idea.
    i didn't know that, but if it is a symptom for rabies it may be a symptom for zombies

    Read WWZ.
  • edited September 2012
    No, they can walk underwater without drowning, and since they’re walking dead, there’s no air to float them to the top.
  • edited September 2012
    I don't think they can swim.

    However, I don't think the boat will be too much of a hinderance for them. I'm sure they will get there somehow... by wading at the bottom of the river / sea or something?

    Besides, they'll be trapped on the boat and their supplies of medicine and fresh water will eventually dwindle and run out. And how about gas for their boat?

    It'll be suicide in there. At least on land, you can outrun them. No chance of that on water.

    At least in my opinion.
  • edited September 2012
    Noname215 wrote: »
    No, they can walk underwater without drowning, and since they’re walking dead, there’s no air to float them to the top.

    They'd do both.

    Given time in the water and gases from decomposition, the zombies would bloat and float.
  • edited September 2012
    Cyreen wrote: »
    Given time in the water and gases from decomposition, the zombies would bloat and float.

    Reminds me of the floater in the well at Hershel's farm. *shudders*
  • edited September 2012
    i doubt they would even float they are corpses and corpses tend to sink after all the air has left the lungs so i really dont think so.
  • edited September 2012
    Cyreen wrote: »

    Read WWZ.

    oh, so dos that have zombie facts in it ;)
  • edited September 2012
    They can barely animate a consistent walk. Even if salt water was enough to keep them afloat, I doubt they'd understand how to orientate themselves to drift in a specific direction. Let alone keep their mouth and nose out of the water. They may even ruin their brain enough before long, what with all the flooding.

    Although whatever they spread through bites (lethal diseases at the very least), has probably spread into the water surrounding them. So unless you make sure to keep the boat at an easily safe distance, you're at a bit less of an advantage than you thought.
  • edited September 2012
    No but yes they can sort of walk on the bottom in WWZ. They might have gasses from decomposition in them the first couple of days, which makes some of them float for a little while but it doesn't mean that they really swim.
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