Who wants Ben dead in twd Ep 4?
Who wants Ben
I wanna see how many people are against Ben for what he has done, and who see's him as a kid just afraid of the bandit's.
dead in Ep4
, I wanna see what people think should he die for
lying to the group?
Does Kenny find out What
Ben did that got his family killed
, and Kenny wants Ben
dead
?I wanna see how many people are against Ben for what he has done, and who see's him as a kid just afraid of the bandit's.
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As far as I can tell, Kenny does not know yet about what Ben did in e3. In e4 he may find out. I truely do not care what happens to Ben or Kenny. They are both dead to me.
I really do hope they let me be a real asshole to him in episode 4.
Without Ben all there is left is Kenny and Clementine... I highly doubt any new characters will grow on me so late in this season.
Personally I also think it was too early to kill off duck as there is hardly any characters i am attached to left.
Then I realized I was just pissed Carley was gone.
Then I got over it.
He can stay and guard the train.
Of course, I doubt we'll be going back to the train....... sucks to be him.... lol
But if I had that option a few days ago, he would die ...
I agree with you.
I'm one of the few people who blame the bandits. You know, the people who were constantly attacking, who coerced Ben into giving them supplies then decided to outright try and kill us when their ploy eventually failed? Actually I'm quite amazed at how many people wave them off as not really deserving of the blame. At every step they had a choice, at every step they chose to do wrong. Ben doesn't deserve death, the bandits do.
I tend to think that people just want someone they can blame and kill in a fulfilling scene, and that they don't really care if it's the right person or not. The group has already left the bandits behind and didn't exactly get to tear through their hideout and slaughter them in a fit of awesome like with the St. Johns. But Bens still with the group and that poor boy is so much easier to blame and we still have the chance to enact punishment on that blame, no matter how deserving he really is.
No doubt though, if Ben dies it won't be fulfilling, much like Larry's death.
Why dont you blame Ben for being upfront and honest with the group he's now a part of and immediately bringing this to their attention? Most people probably dont blame because they arent the reason the situation built to such a head.
He's a scared teenager, I still remember what that's like. He was put in a very awkward position, the lives of one of his friends vs the inconvenience of the people he's with (you know, the people that hacked off his teachers leg then let him bleed to death or shot his friend then let him bleed to death?).
Why don't you blame the bandits for coercing him into the situation he got into? why don't you blame them for wearing on the group with constant attacks? why don't you blame them for sitting the group on their knees ready for execution?
For that matter, why don't you blame Lilly for firing the first shot which would have been the actual noise that got the walkers attention?
The guy is sure a popular topic on this forum though, I'll give him that.
lol, 1st episode it was Larry; 2nd was Kenny; 3rd is Ben's turn
Come ep4 Ben will be 'sorely missed' and 'felt like family' while we spew venom on Omid or Christa
Ben is no longer a threat because Lee knows what he did, and Ben saw the consequences of his actions. If anything goes wrong in the future, Ben's the first suspect. So, Ben could learn from the experience and keep his nose clean. If he doesn't, he can be abandoned in the future.
The question is whether Lee will try to help Ben become part of the team (Ben felt more loyalty to schoolmates than to the people keeping him alive) or just let him get weaker from guilt and cowardice. Either way, zombie chow at some point.
So true
I'm crossing my fingers that Chuck isn't the next candidate, I actually like the old guy and hope he'll last.
Idk, I just wanted to see what other people thought that could happen in episode 4 besides the guy trying to talk to Clem. But it might not be as bad as I thought because we only got 2 episodes left.
But yeah it looks like we will have problems with the 2 new people also.
I agree, I notice that duck is on the main menu screen of episode 3 in the train with his head sticking out of the window. so they must of changed the story line, and also with Ben he's infront of the train, instead it's Chuck now.
This right here is the bread and butter of Ep 4 for me. Popcorn moment at it's finest, I'll probably play this a few ways before I decide which decision will be more fitting.
For one simple fact: Each and every thing you mentioned could have been negated with one sentence of ouf Ben's mouth. 1 line would have changed the entire episode. His inaction caused an undeniable chain reaction that starts when he decides to keep his mouth shut. Fear of Lily is not an exscuse when there are 4 other adults you could have relayed the message to.
Another simple fact: Everything could have been negated by the bandits not being complete scumbags attacking a group of survivore and taking advantage of a scared teenager.
We as the player barely have control of our own group. Plus, the scenario is in play as we start the episode, I'd rather stay within parameters that are somewhat within our reach. Saying what if we change the backstory; well what if we could have found a cure for the ZA?
I didn't change any backstory, attacking the group and taking advantage of Ben is exactly what the bandits did.
You mention things you have control over, things within your reach. This shows me that you don't want justice for those responsible, just revenge on whoever you can get your hands on. Sometimes we can't get justice, in this case the group has left those bandits behind and will likely never see them again. That doesn't mean we should replace bringing justice to those respinsible by getting revenge on someone else they victimized just because it's convenient. In doing that we might aswell be bandits ourselves.
In the case of being scared of Lilly, I think it was more being scared of the bandits and that the group couldn't protect him. Afterall in one scenario they let his friend get eaten by zombies and hack his teachers leg off then let him bleed out, and in the other scenario they left the teacher behind to get eaten by zombies and outright shot his friend and let him bleed out. Then you've got constant bandit attacks and him getting caught outside by the bandits, alone and unprotected, long enough to have to make a deal with them. All together you could make a case for the group failing him, at the point of being caught by the bandits outside and alone they failed to provide him with the most basic need of all, survival.
This is changing the backstory. The bandits are attacking the group, they are going to present Ben with an offer. This is all in place before you even hit play on Ep 3.
And please dont make assumption on my character based on a set of game parameters.
The one (not plural) responsible for this entire calamity is Ben. Not the bandits, not the walkers, not Santa Claus or the Chupacabra. Ben. You can whitewash it anyway you like, it doesnt change the facts.
No it's not, or were you proposing the story be changed when you said the same thing about Ben? I assumed you were giving reason why he was to blame, that's what I was doing with the bandits.
I say it wouldn't have happened if they didn't attack the group and corner Ben alone, they did do them though, which is why they're responsible. Ben was just another victim.
How do you not see this is changing the backstory?
Forget the if they didnt- they did
and Ben did not say anything; hence he is to blame.
*sigh* here's what you wrote:
Here's my reply:
Neither of us are changing the story, we're giving reason why one or the other is to blame.
The bandits attacked the group, the bandits caught Ben alone, the bandits coerced him to steal the supplies, the bandits told him to do so alone. He was just another link in the chain of victimization that they began, that's why they're responsible.
Yes, him deciding not to tell the group probably wasn't smart (I say probably because him telling the group could very well have ended in everyone being outright killed by the bandits, we don't know what would have happened for sure) but it's a decision he had to make because of the bandits actions.
Now the outcome isn't satisfying, I understand. We didn't really get to take out all the bandits in their base. But think on this, what sort of person kills someone to satisfy their sense of justice simply because it's convenient to do so and inconvenient to go after those truly responsible?
Actually, the chain goes back to Kenny. He's the root that destroys the group. He puts his family above everybody else. He kills Larry, he keeps treating Lilly in a very pressing and totally inappropriate way that reduces the groups morale. Lilly's get even more unstable because she does not only have her father to mourn, but she has to deal with the shit Kenny keeps pouring on her. She gets angrier and angrier, Ben becomes afraid of Lilly (he would be even more afraid of Kenny if he knew what happened in the meat locker) decides to go behind their backs and... we know what happens afterwards.
P.S I don't want Ben dead. I want him and Kenny gone. I don't care what happens to them afterwards.