I would not have done the same as Ben. I would have told the group right away that something happened.
Ben was an outsider who we let into the group, as such he should show some loyalty to those of us that saved his life.
No matter his reason, he still should have let the group know what was happening and give as all the chance to discuss and prepare a plan.
As Lilly said, stealing from us is the same as killing us in our sleep.
No. I wouldn't have been a gullible idiot and believed the friend story. However I wouldn't get out of that conversation alive without handing some supplies. And wouldn't have kept them at bay without handing more supplies.
BUT I would tell the group. Because I don't know a single person that would prefer a bandit raid instead of parting with some small incremental supplies. The bandits would've been in conflict with the group if I was never there in the first place, so no guilt felt on my part.
I also would have been a better watchman. The whole group was rounded up for slaughter in the brief moment Lee was sitting in Lillys room. And despite sitting right outside their door, they didn't hear Ben sound off a single sign of danger.
AND if I saw that Lee was snooping around for evidence (if for some stupid reason I hadn't told them yet) I would've come clean at that point. I mean how could I miss Lee walking back and forth with a list of evidence, or the brown bag, or especially asking ME about it. How could I not know what was coming if Lee was stepping back in with the supply bag?
Only other thing I'd do the same is lie to Lilly when she pulls a gun to my face. But, with even a flicker of brain activity, I wouldn't let it get to that point because her paranoia would've been put to rest well in advance.
AND if I saw that Lee was snooping around for evidence (if for some stupid reason I hadn't told them yet) I would've come clean at that point. I mean how could I miss Lee walking back and forth with a list of evidence, or the brown bag, or especially asking ME about it. How could I not know what was coming if Lee was stepping back in with the supply bag?
Yeah, that would have been a good call. It would have been nice if when/if you told Ben about your criminal past then the sudden show of honesty would have made Ben come clean about the drugs
that last option is kinda misleading. They're a bunch of bandits who only claimed to have his friend, they never provided any proof (unless that Ben really did believe it) otherwise he could still say no and be guilt free, technically
The bandits had to find him alone to make the deal, right? I would have agreed, then immediately told the group once I got back to the motor inn.
Well yeah, that's about the only way you're making it back to camp with your skinny ass intact, but does that qualify as a "yes, but I would have admitted it" or a "No, I would have told someone first"?
I would have told the group what was going on but Im not a scared teenage boy. I guess he hasnt been with the group long enough to feel like he can trust anyone completely.
If Ben had just told Lee when he went snooping they could have sorted it out and made sure that the stealing stopped without casualties
However I probably wouldn't have told Lee anything as the group doesn't have the best history with killing (Larry dead maybe others) and Ben probably would have been shot if he told them about it.
If Ben had just told Lee when he went snooping they could have sorted it out and made sure that the stealing stopped without casualties
However I probably wouldn't have told Lee anything as the group doesn't have the best history with killing (Larry dead maybe others) and Ben probably would have been shot if he told them about it.
Katjaa didn't even know that it was Kenny who killed Larry (unless you privately tell her at the start of episode 3). With his own wife being kept in the dark about it, Ben and Carley/Doug presumably wouldn't know about it either.
Furthermore, the only reason anyone got shot by Lilly was because Ben decided to allow her paranoia to grow beyond control. Certainly not helped by the fact nobody believed her when she was correct. Not only didn't she know who did it, but she was left oblivious to the motive of the thief.
Without an explanation, and with the thief not wanting to make themselves known, you'd have no reason to believe the thief was acting as anything other than a form of "double agent" rather than a protector.
Bens arrangement was occuring before the events of the episode began, he didn't even need to wait as late as Lee snooping around before breaking the news.
When Lilly gave Carley/Doug a dose of 9mm to the head, nobody thought twice about whether it should be tolerated. Even in the face of knowing their must've been a thief among them afterall.
Ben is a parasite. A joke. An arguement winner against anyone who believes in "survival of the fittest".
I like the way the last option was phrased, c'mon, the bandits never provided any proof that they had Ben's friends and when you talk to Ben on the train he flat out admits that he eventually learned that the bandits were lying, but by then Ben was too scared to do the right thing. Sure, I'd pretend to accept the deal if the bandits confronted me alone about it, which I assume is how it started with Ben, but I wouldn't believe a word they said about my friends and would've talked to Lee as soon as I got back to the motel and let the group decided. The fact that Ben took the bandits at their word honestly shocked me, it would've been more understandable if he said that he did it because he thought it was for the good of the group, though not tolerable, instead he betrayed the group, the very group whose existence is the only reason Ben's still alive, because he can trust the word of a band of murderers more than his saviors.
And now half of the original group is dead because of the fool. Ben's greatest contribution to the group so far is managing to do more damage to it than the walkers or St. Johns could. *sigh* I can't believe there wasn't an option to Sparta him off the train.[/rant]
I can't believe there wasn't an option to Sparta him off the train.[/rant]
This game makes you watch insidious things happen without the ability to control it in any shape or form, then doles out it's own form of 'justice' in the next episode. If all Larry did to earn his 'justice' was give Lee a punch in the face and some tough talk, Ben's gonna get pulled limb from limb by walkers for his actions
Well yeah, that's about the only way you're making it back to camp with your skinny ass intact, but does that qualify as a "yes, but I would have admitted it" or a "No, I would have told someone first"?
Yes, but I would have admitted it. Immediately, when I got back to camp I'd tell.
I just find the choices a little odd. Does the "yes, but I would have admitted it" mean immediately after making a deal with the bandits, prior to stealing, or in the RV after shit hit the fan?
Only the OP would know for sure, but I think the "Yes, but I would have admitted it" option is for when the shit hits the fan in the RV or when you see Lee investigating, otherwise the "No, I would have told the group my problem" option would be rather redundant.
It would come off a little Monty Python'ish if Ben got surrounded by armed bandits demanding supplies and Ben says "No!", in his best Arthur McFly impersonation, and the bandits all look at each other and then back to Ben and say, "Well... alright then, we'll just be on our way."
I don't see he had any other option but to make the deal initially.
I feel bad for those who opted to help Ben and his friends, told Ben later that Ben did all that he could to save his friends and then gave Ben one of the 4 food items (19% actually did that) only to have Ben not "trust" you enough to say anything about this little side deal he's got going. What a bummer.
I would have discussed the offer with the group and advised that, as the meds would eventually run out anyway, there's no point in sharing. I'd then suggest setting up an ambush to deal with the bandits and prepare to leave quickly if it went wrong.
Ofc I wouldn't.Giving the bandits the whole group's supplies just to save a random friend is just wrong lol. I would probably tell my "problem",and try to somehow solve it with the others...
I feel bad for those who opted to help Ben and his friends, told Ben later that Ben did all that he could to save his friends and then gave Ben one of the 4 food items (19% actually did that) only to have Ben not "trust" you enough to say anything about this little side deal he's got going. What a bummer.
You mean people like me? Because that is exactly what I did in Episode 2 down to the letter. I knew it was Ben as soon as questioned him about the flashlight. I figured that because of his reaction and since his character had far less development than anyone else's him stealing the supplies would make him more than "that useless kid we saw for all of two minutes" that he was in Episode 2. People certainly notice him now. When he told me, my reaction was more of "Goddamnit Ben, I already knew" than "You little bastard, I trusted you!"
You mean people like me? Because that is exactly what I did in Episode 2 down to the letter. I knew it was Ben as soon as questioned him about the flashlight. I figured that because of his reaction and since his character had far less development than anyone else's him stealing the supplies would make him more than "that useless kid we saw for all of two minutes" that he was in Episode 2. People certainly notice him now. When he told me, my reaction was more of "Goddamnit Ben, I already knew" than "You little bastard, I trusted you!"
Well, I feel bad in the sense that you did everything that was possible to earn Ben's trust that the game would allow and it still was not enough for Ben to consider sharing this little problem he has with you. Not so much that it made Ben an easier traitor to identify during Lee's investigation.
Well, I feel bad in the sense that you did everything that was possible to earn Ben's trust that the game would allow and it still was not enough for Ben to consider sharing this little problem he has with you. Not so much that it made Ben an easier traitor to identify during Lee's investigation.
I didn't give him the food, and trusted him when I asked him before we got the train working if he was the one who did it and he stilll said "NO!!". So when he finally told Lee he was the one who did it (that whole thing didn't even matter to me anymore) I just let out a long sigh. But I do understand why he didn't tell anyone about it up until that point. At least he told Lee, which could mean he's starting to trust him, and to me, that's a good thing. Even though I said something about "keeping your problems to yourself". Goddamn, I can't remember what that was about, and now its bugging me a little bit XD
I didn't give him the food, and trusted him when I asked him before we got the train working if he was the one who did it and he stilll said "NO!!". So when he finally told Lee he was the one who did it (that whole thing didn't even matter to me anymore) I just let out a long sigh. But I do understand why he didn't tell anyone about it up until that point. At least he told Lee, which could mean he's starting to trust him, and to me, that's a good thing. Even though I said something about "keeping your problems to yourself". Goddamn, I can't remember what that was about, and now its bugging me a little bit XD
That line was about Ben NOT saying anything to Kenny, even though he wants to. If he caves and tells Kenny, we'll have another dead group member on our hands.
I just thought it would have made for a better story if those few players who really went the extra mile, IMO, to extend the hand of friendship to Ben, maybe even giving him the apple too not just one of the food items, should have received a different but not better/right branch of the story where Ben maybe confides in you but of course too late then the stories merge again with the bandit attack. I think that would be fair. I just did not expect my playthrough and Rock114's playthrough to be the same. Rock114 did more for Ben and I would have liked to see a little change is the story for Rock114's game.
One week, the kid was there just ONE WEEK. How much trust and faith should he have in complete strangers who lost two group members the first day to cannibals and didn't even notice that the bandits could have killed him.
ben and travis are just standing there like lemons whining and bickering while dave is in pain and trapped it's only when we the player turn up they suddenly come to life..
then as far as we know it was just them 3 'guys' who survived but in ep3 ben suddenly has a friend held by the bandits ? and in ep2 it sounded like they where the only ones left..
so i wonder if ben is still lying...it sounded like bens first camp was raided you'd think they'd mention a member being taken hostage ? but no he waits till shit goes down and the guilt was too much to fess up..and suddenly theres a 'hostage'
i dunno if thats a plot hole or its something to worry about
ben and travis are just standing there like lemons whining and bickering while dave is in pain and trapped it's only when we the player turn up they suddenly come to life..
then as far as we know it was just them 3 'guys' who survived but in ep3 ben suddenly has a friend held by the bandits ? and in ep2 it sounded like they where the only ones left..
so i wonder if ben is still lying...it sounded like bens first camp was raided you'd think they'd mention a member being taken hostage ? but no he waits till shit goes down and the guilt was too much to fess up..and suddenly theres a 'hostage'
i dunno if thats a plot hole or its something to worry about
I imagine the scenario is as simple as this: The bandits raided their camp at night.In the confusion the three of them managed to escape while the bandits proceeded to slaughter and rape the rest of Ben's teachers and classmates.
Ben,David and Travis run for their lives, the sounds of the screaming and pleading coming from the others gradually fade behind them.When the bandits approach Ben he's naive and hopeful enough to believe that they had kept one of his friends alive(even without them showing him any proof!).
It wouldn't be impossible for the bandits to tell Ben they would kill his 'friend' if he informed the group of what was happening. They probably wouldn't want a direct face off with several armed adults or anything.
I would've told the group. Doing what the bandits want is a no go, that's just stupid. Once you start doing things their way, they have no reason to let your friend go, ever... he's their new golden goose, and that's assuming that they both have him, and he's still alive. This is also leaving aside that we know exactly what sort of people we're dealing with thanks to Jolene from Ep 2.
Only way I'd give them anything is if I poisoned it first, or if I replaced the narcotics they wanted with estrogen pills or something.
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Ben was an outsider who we let into the group, as such he should show some loyalty to those of us that saved his life.
No matter his reason, he still should have let the group know what was happening and give as all the chance to discuss and prepare a plan.
As Lilly said, stealing from us is the same as killing us in our sleep.
BUT I would tell the group. Because I don't know a single person that would prefer a bandit raid instead of parting with some small incremental supplies. The bandits would've been in conflict with the group if I was never there in the first place, so no guilt felt on my part.
I also would have been a better watchman. The whole group was rounded up for slaughter in the brief moment Lee was sitting in Lillys room. And despite sitting right outside their door, they didn't hear Ben sound off a single sign of danger.
AND if I saw that Lee was snooping around for evidence (if for some stupid reason I hadn't told them yet) I would've come clean at that point. I mean how could I miss Lee walking back and forth with a list of evidence, or the brown bag, or especially asking ME about it. How could I not know what was coming if Lee was stepping back in with the supply bag?
Only other thing I'd do the same is lie to Lilly when she pulls a gun to my face. But, with even a flicker of brain activity, I wouldn't let it get to that point because her paranoia would've been put to rest well in advance.
So much averted with the use of plain sense.
Yeah, that would have been a good call. It would have been nice if when/if you told Ben about your criminal past then the sudden show of honesty would have made Ben come clean about the drugs
seriously...you saw what 'can/could/will' happen if 'you/ben' lie or hide it from the group..
so all those people are just as stupid/naive 'oh it won't happen in my group'
Well yeah, that's about the only way you're making it back to camp with your skinny ass intact, but does that qualify as a "yes, but I would have admitted it" or a "No, I would have told someone first"?
However I probably wouldn't have told Lee anything as the group doesn't have the best history with killing (Larry dead maybe others) and Ben probably would have been shot if he told them about it.
Katjaa didn't even know that it was Kenny who killed Larry (unless you privately tell her at the start of episode 3). With his own wife being kept in the dark about it, Ben and Carley/Doug presumably wouldn't know about it either.
Furthermore, the only reason anyone got shot by Lilly was because Ben decided to allow her paranoia to grow beyond control. Certainly not helped by the fact nobody believed her when she was correct. Not only didn't she know who did it, but she was left oblivious to the motive of the thief.
Without an explanation, and with the thief not wanting to make themselves known, you'd have no reason to believe the thief was acting as anything other than a form of "double agent" rather than a protector.
Bens arrangement was occuring before the events of the episode began, he didn't even need to wait as late as Lee snooping around before breaking the news.
When Lilly gave Carley/Doug a dose of 9mm to the head, nobody thought twice about whether it should be tolerated. Even in the face of knowing their must've been a thief among them afterall.
Ben is a parasite. A joke. An arguement winner against anyone who believes in "survival of the fittest".
And now half of the original group is dead because of the fool. Ben's greatest contribution to the group so far is managing to do more damage to it than the walkers or St. Johns could. *sigh* I can't believe there wasn't an option to Sparta him off the train.[/rant]
This game makes you watch insidious things happen without the ability to control it in any shape or form, then doles out it's own form of 'justice' in the next episode. If all Larry did to earn his 'justice' was give Lee a punch in the face and some tough talk, Ben's gonna get pulled limb from limb by walkers for his actions
Yes, but I would have admitted it. Immediately, when I got back to camp I'd tell.
I don't see he had any other option but to make the deal initially.
They gave him a gun, that's a lot of trust.
I keep forgetting the week thing..... Ben really is despicable.
How do you trust someone with a gun when you have no confidence in their ability?
You mean people like me? Because that is exactly what I did in Episode 2 down to the letter. I knew it was Ben as soon as questioned him about the flashlight. I figured that because of his reaction and since his character had far less development than anyone else's him stealing the supplies would make him more than "that useless kid we saw for all of two minutes" that he was in Episode 2. People certainly notice him now. When he told me, my reaction was more of "Goddamnit Ben, I already knew" than "You little bastard, I trusted you!"
Well, I feel bad in the sense that you did everything that was possible to earn Ben's trust that the game would allow and it still was not enough for Ben to consider sharing this little problem he has with you. Not so much that it made Ben an easier traitor to identify during Lee's investigation.
I didn't give him the food, and trusted him when I asked him before we got the train working if he was the one who did it and he stilll said "NO!!". So when he finally told Lee he was the one who did it (that whole thing didn't even matter to me anymore) I just let out a long sigh. But I do understand why he didn't tell anyone about it up until that point. At least he told Lee, which could mean he's starting to trust him, and to me, that's a good thing. Even though I said something about "keeping your problems to yourself". Goddamn, I can't remember what that was about, and now its bugging me a little bit XD
That line was about Ben NOT saying anything to Kenny, even though he wants to. If he caves and tells Kenny, we'll have another dead group member on our hands.
ben and travis are just standing there like lemons whining and bickering while dave is in pain and trapped it's only when we the player turn up they suddenly come to life..
then as far as we know it was just them 3 'guys' who survived but in ep3 ben suddenly has a friend held by the bandits ? and in ep2 it sounded like they where the only ones left..
so i wonder if ben is still lying...it sounded like bens first camp was raided you'd think they'd mention a member being taken hostage ? but no he waits till shit goes down and the guilt was too much to fess up..and suddenly theres a 'hostage'
i dunno if thats a plot hole or its something to worry about
I imagine the scenario is as simple as this: The bandits raided their camp at night.In the confusion the three of them managed to escape while the bandits proceeded to slaughter and rape the rest of Ben's teachers and classmates.
Ben,David and Travis run for their lives, the sounds of the screaming and pleading coming from the others gradually fade behind them.When the bandits approach Ben he's naive and hopeful enough to believe that they had kept one of his friends alive(even without them showing him any proof!).
Only way I'd give them anything is if I poisoned it first, or if I replaced the narcotics they wanted with estrogen pills or something.