You guys know more about computers than I do...

edited September 2007 in General Chat
...and I doubt this belongs in the Support Forum, as it has nothing to do with the games or the forum, but hell, I thought I'd ask just to get some information. So, here we go!

I put together an External Hard Drive from an old WD 40GB Desktop hard drive I had from my last machine. It's about a year old, and it's been acting weird every time I turn it on for the last week and a half.

Basically, the disk will spin when it turns on and then stop about half a second later. Another half a second after it stops, it starts to spin again only to repeat the cycle for about 30 seconds. This happens both when I turn it on and after it is turned on when I connect it to the computer.

I've defragmented it, scanned and fixed bad sectors, did a sweep for viruses, and every other thing I could think of that may be related to the hard drive's data. And it still does that "Spin on, Spin off" ticking thing every time I turn it on.

Should I be worried? And if so, what can I do to fix the problem?

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  • edited August 2007
    It could just be dying. I know more about software than hardware, but it sounds to me like it's on it's last legs.
  • edited August 2007
    Maybe check that the drive is sitting tightly in the external case? all screws in nice and tight?

    Otherwise, it could very well be a hardware failure - back up the data and get a new drive! Hard drives are getting cheaper and cheaper nowadays, less than $1 per Gb (in Aussie Dollars, anyway) up to about the 500Gb mark... after that it gets a little more expensive.
  • edited August 2007
    Got any good suggestions as to what to buy that would fit in a case designed for a 3.5" E-IDE/ATA hard drive?
  • jmmjmm
    edited August 2007
    You should check if the problem persists after attaching the drive internally. If it doesn't there is a problem with the External interface or some sort of incompatibility or misconfiguration.
    If the problem persists, check the drive with WD's tools.
  • edited August 2007
    See, I would never be able to figure out these things on my own. Thanks!:D
  • edited August 2007
    jmm wrote: »
    You should check if the problem persists after attaching the drive internally. If it doesn't there is a problem with the External interface or some sort of incompatibility or misconfiguration.
    If the problem persists, check the drive with WD's tools.

    Unfortunately, I don't have an extra slot internally for this hard drive. That's currently taken up by a backup drive that came with the computer. It's only 4GBs, but it contains all the opertating files for every piece of hardware unique to my computer's front panel. I guess that's what I get for buying a gaming computer with a Digital Media manager for all those USB, Compact Flash, and SD Memory Cards I've used over the course of my digital photo classes.:p
  • jmmjmm
    edited August 2007
    Well, since it is a backup drive, you could switch it for testing.

    That is, disconnect your backup drive and attach the "old" disk.
    Remember to re-run the BIOS disk detection procedure after switching the disks
  • edited August 2007
    Well, the driver hooks the function to the disc manual operation of the DOS window inside the formatting graphic card.

    I think your thread title was wrong in my case. :D
  • edited August 2007
    jmm wrote: »
    Well, since it is a backup drive, you could switch it for testing.

    That is, disconnect your backup drive and attach the "old" disk.
    Remember to re-run the BIOS disk detection procedure after switching the disks

    I thought about that after my post, and much to my surprise, the inside is different than what they tech who helpped me with this computer told me.

    I do have space for the hard drive, but I lack a power connection and extra slot on the CABLE to the mother board. Further complicating it, I only have one hard drive. I guess what they did was give me a back-up PARTITION and not a back up DRIVE. Silly me.:o I thought I didn't have space inside of the computer.
  • edited August 2007
    tabacco wrote: »

    tabacco, I just got off the phone with a friend who is also an IT grunt like yourself, and she said Western Digital is unreliable for DIY External Hard Drives. What's your take on the brand?
  • edited August 2007
    I've had nothing but good experiences from WD. The only external WD drive I've had die was when our former office manager tripped over the cord and sent it flying across the room into a wall while it was running.
  • edited August 2007
    tabacco wrote: »
    I've had nothing but good experiences from WD. The only external WD drive I've had die was when our former office manager tripped over the cord and sent it flying across the room into a wall while it was running.

    No protection against office manager floibles? Pshaw, that's the 2nd leading cause of hard drive failures! Way to drop the ball, WD.
  • jmmjmm
    edited August 2007
    To me WD is unreliable. I once lost 30 Gb of real data (not counting programs, windows, etc) for a faulty disk.
    The irony was that I collected the data into a brand new WD HD to sort the data and back it up. I clicked an icon in explorer to launch the backup program (after disposing thousands of old CD's and floppy disks) then the drive went berserk and the data went to binary heaven (I only managed to recover less than 10Gb from the disposed CD's that were still in the trash)
    WD Diagnostics returned the most feared error: Error #1: Hardware malfunction. The reason: the disk heads detached. I only used the disk for 10 days.
  • edited August 2007
    Suddenly, my need for a new hard drive should the one I currently have actually die on me for one reason or another is offset slightly by the want for some reliable hardware.
  • edited August 2007
    Are you sure its not just your USB or connection? Im assuming you're using USB of course, but I've had a problem where my external drive does exactly that when my usb hub is plugged in at the same time...also it doesnt like being recognised when my usb flash drive is plugged in...Im convinced it must be a usb problem, but as of now I havent been bothered to do anything about it because things work fine individually...maybe you are having a more serious verions of my problem?

    I also have a WD btw...as far as reliability goes, Im not convinced that any of the HDD manufacturers really make the most reliable drives...most of the time I've found its really up to the individual drive...I've had 2 seagate's die in a period of a year and a half, but WD's seem to work fine...yet I've heard people who've had loads of trouble with WD's...so I think if you get one that works well, then you're lucky...
  • edited August 2007
    It's not a USB thing. I have a 512MB jump drive I use to keep my papers on, and been switching it and the EHD in and out often on the same USB depending on which I plug in first. I'm making a concious effort not to short out another USB port or cable again. I did that once on the school's computer, and let me tell you, it wasn't fun being told what idiotic thing I did by the school's IT who is younger than you and is paid better.

    EDIT: I posted this same topic on another IT area on a site I frequent, and they said it could be a variety of different hardware failures. One person even said it could very well be the case itself! There is no real way to be sure unless I get the sucker physically checked out by someone. I've back'd up my data in the only place I have space for 11 GB of movies and music and will get the sucker checked out this weekend. Hopefully I nip this thing in the bud before it got worse.

    Thanks to everyone to help me out in this thread, especially tabacco! I don't know what I would have done without you guys to point me in the direction I need to go.
  • edited September 2007
    get a lacie 500gb USB drive for 2.0

    When you ever get a grind or some kind of noise NEVER EVER EVER defrag or do meta defrag or any movement of large files on the hd. This can further cause corruption within the metadata due to moving parts of files across bad sectors. This will make most of the data soooo hard if not impossible to recover.
    Get acronis or something free like GET DATA BACK NTFS for ntfs and FAT32 for fat32.
    I personally have 12 HDs hooked up atm with a 1000 watt psu haha.
    The problem sounds like the hd might have gotten dirt in between the heads or the thing coulda come off track. Have you gotten the data off it? how much is NEEDEd to be saved?

    Sorry Im a recovery specialist/ network tech so shoot me any questions!

    Lacies rock btw.. and wd's do suck XD but maxtor is FAR worse. stick to seagate for standard internal drives. Unless your a gamer then it doesnt matter if you stick to WD and raptors or something.
  • edited September 2007
    buffalo are pretty good as well i think
  • edited September 2007
    I have a bit of an anomoly going on right now. The drive will boot and read just fine when connected internally, but now the case won't boot it up at all. I'm going to run some more tests on other machines and with different hard drives to make absolutely sure it is the case and not something freaky.
  • edited September 2007
    Buffalo are bad fryes standard brand.. ive used both and prefer lacie. But its an opinion.
    As for your case im not sure what you mean.. ive never seen a case cause any failure. You mean the motherboard? or maybe the power supply? ... Not following you to well.
  • edited September 2007
    Zeek means the external drive case is (probably) causing the issues...or at least thats what I've picked up...not the computer case...the drive works fine when its installed into the computer...
  • edited September 2007
    You are correct!

    Unfortunately, I don't have any additional hardware to check this theory out, so I'm going to have to wait until the next time I can get out to Best Buy to bug my friends over at the Geek Squad area.
  • edited September 2007
    HISSS dont mention the geek squad.. sigh.
    Give people like me a bad name, truthfully thats all I do on a minor level, they just sold out and what a bad move it was.. I would have ran that business until I was blue in the face before selling out to someone like best buy. Meh its like the guys that sold youtube... and tom on myspace.. big mistake guys.. lol.
    Actually tom.. good move! RUNN TOM RUNNN! Myspace will get ya!
  • edited September 2007
    Can't wait to see what your opinion will be should TTG end up merging with another gaming company.
  • edited September 2007
    Awww dont say dat...
    It would be like sierra selling out all over again...

    NOooooo not another black mondaaaaaaaaayyy
    Run TTG RUNNNNN!

    Edit.. Seriously though geek squad use to be self taught nerds like myself going to fix peoples machines.. when they sold out no only did the quality of the employee go down but the cost of work went up. I do exactly what geek squad does, not on THAT scale but that keeps my overhead low so I can push that savings to my customer. AND I dont push useless crap software people dont need but the OTHER real business requires to push to the customer... yes yes you need this spybegone mam.. its 180$ more. PFFTT

    I think even with me getting angry you see a valid point muhaha

    :No Black Monday's no black Monday's:
  • edited September 2007
    ^_^;

    Anyways... I was thinking about just reattatching the EHD internally, but after experiancing a deactivation bug with TTH, I'm not going to bother. I mean, I just got it reactivated, and I don't want to do that again now that I know what happened to it.

    I guess I'll just have to live without my MP3s for now. I could play them from my back-up area, but then iTunes would be all messed up with the file association... thing.
  • edited September 2007
    Go to BestBuy like me?
  • edited September 2007
    SSSSSSSush.... that's my plan, but apparently Kaldire doesn't approve of it.:p
  • edited September 2007
    Meh ya gotta do what you gotta do. But yea I wont even step foot in a best buy. The name itself is false advertisement lol. It truly is one of the worst buys.. just go down the street get the same tv for 300$ less! etc. Anyway haha but urmm yea! do what ya gotta do man!
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