The X-Men Thread
This thing has been on my mind for a very long time.
I am an X-Men fan.
Since the premiere of the animated series in 1992.
I studied the comic chronlogy next a few years later
Then in 2000, when the first movie premiered, I thought it was so-so.
But after seeing it a second time on FOX, I came to enjoy it.
Then I waited for X2 X-Men United. Saw it. Liked it.
Then came the day X3 came out...:(
I was greatly disappointed. Instead of providing a worthy trilogy, Fox had to go and muck it all up.
The only good thing was the casting of Kelsey Grammar as Henry McCoy/Beast
Didn't bother with Origins Wolverine. And when it began to be TV aired, I only wanted to see Taylor Kitsch as one of my favorite X-characters Gambit.
I probably am one of the people (of a great many fans) that bears a serious grudge of the X-Men films being reduced quality storytelling.
Last year I decided to swallow my pride and give X-Men First Class a chance...
My faith had been restored (slightly about 70-75%). Yet, X3 still has left a scar on my soul.
Then, I discovered fan tales and became intrigued to writing.
Over the years, I have accumulated many ideas of media I've deemed worthy.
Some ideas lasted, others not so much.
One, is if we bend reality for a moment and I was a director with a few films under my belt, I had directed or written the third X-Men film
The process was long and the story idea changed numerous times. But after seeing First Class, I planned a final draft and hope others would find it worthy.
For the stuff I would keep: Kelsey Grammar as Beast, Beast intro and flipping from ceiling; President, Staff and McCoy discuss the hunt for Magneto.
Bill Duke as Secretary Bolivar Trask, Magneto building an army, Magneto destroying convoy, Jean becoming Phoenix, and the final battle of epic proportions.
My stuff: Cyclops, struggling with leadership role and feelings for Jean; Rogue begins getting a crush on newcomer Remy LeBeau/Gambit; Rogue gains new abilities (super strength, durability and flight; from delayed reaction of Magneto's machine in the first film; Plot Point Saved:cool:
For some of the following I took a shine to Michael Doughtery's planned X3 and found it a vast improvement. So, Jean becomes Phoenix and wants to end the war between mutants and humans on her own terms.
And for the antagonists other than Magento's brotherhood, one word:
SENTINELS
Created by the massive robot MASTER MOLD, Dr. Valerie Cooper and Trask wish to use them as a police effort to contain the more hostile mutants.
Of course, we all know from Asimov's infamous tale what will happen.
I just wanted to get this out in the open. Please give opinions and questions about what I have planned:)
And I almost forgot the title X3 X-MEN THE FINAL JUDGMENT
The title means the X-Men finally being judged by others (viewers and readers) as becoming the full fledged team they are well known for.
I am an X-Men fan.
Since the premiere of the animated series in 1992.
I studied the comic chronlogy next a few years later
Then in 2000, when the first movie premiered, I thought it was so-so.
But after seeing it a second time on FOX, I came to enjoy it.
Then I waited for X2 X-Men United. Saw it. Liked it.
Then came the day X3 came out...:(
I was greatly disappointed. Instead of providing a worthy trilogy, Fox had to go and muck it all up.
The only good thing was the casting of Kelsey Grammar as Henry McCoy/Beast
Didn't bother with Origins Wolverine. And when it began to be TV aired, I only wanted to see Taylor Kitsch as one of my favorite X-characters Gambit.
I probably am one of the people (of a great many fans) that bears a serious grudge of the X-Men films being reduced quality storytelling.
Last year I decided to swallow my pride and give X-Men First Class a chance...
My faith had been restored (slightly about 70-75%). Yet, X3 still has left a scar on my soul.
Then, I discovered fan tales and became intrigued to writing.
Over the years, I have accumulated many ideas of media I've deemed worthy.
Some ideas lasted, others not so much.
One, is if we bend reality for a moment and I was a director with a few films under my belt, I had directed or written the third X-Men film
The process was long and the story idea changed numerous times. But after seeing First Class, I planned a final draft and hope others would find it worthy.
For the stuff I would keep: Kelsey Grammar as Beast, Beast intro and flipping from ceiling; President, Staff and McCoy discuss the hunt for Magneto.
Bill Duke as Secretary Bolivar Trask, Magneto building an army, Magneto destroying convoy, Jean becoming Phoenix, and the final battle of epic proportions.
My stuff: Cyclops, struggling with leadership role and feelings for Jean; Rogue begins getting a crush on newcomer Remy LeBeau/Gambit; Rogue gains new abilities (super strength, durability and flight; from delayed reaction of Magneto's machine in the first film; Plot Point Saved:cool:
For some of the following I took a shine to Michael Doughtery's planned X3 and found it a vast improvement. So, Jean becomes Phoenix and wants to end the war between mutants and humans on her own terms.
And for the antagonists other than Magento's brotherhood, one word:
SENTINELS
Created by the massive robot MASTER MOLD, Dr. Valerie Cooper and Trask wish to use them as a police effort to contain the more hostile mutants.
Of course, we all know from Asimov's infamous tale what will happen.
I just wanted to get this out in the open. Please give opinions and questions about what I have planned:)
And I almost forgot the title X3 X-MEN THE FINAL JUDGMENT
The title means the X-Men finally being judged by others (viewers and readers) as becoming the full fledged team they are well known for.
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Fixed.
But there were good elements about it. The ideas were there, and you have to admit - seeing the bridge moved and used to reach the island was pretty cool. And the intro scene in the Danger Room with the cannonball bit. And... Uh...
And who the fuck would buy Catwoman on Blu-Ray? I only picked up the DVD 'cause it was a pound (new)! Jesus!
(God I hope you're a man. I can never remember who's who in this place.)
Umm I was hopin anyone might be interested in what I might have planned for the third film.
And I agree Halle Berry has indeed fallen from grace. I cast a replacement actor for the character of Storm
Is Kerry Washington out of the question (Remember this is around 2005)
I take slight offense to that.
James Marsden got screwed, plain and simple
Fox didn't allow him enough time between X3 and Superman.
Plus, Cyclops needs some time in the light, Wolverine has gotten his fair share in the first two films.
It was interesting. Hey, you made a thread that lasted a day without being derailed by coolsome. It's a victory.
Oh, Sorry man.
I tend to take things a little too seriously
Yes, I'm a man. =\
Do I seem at all effeminate to you??
Just in case, don't answer that.
- The double-whammy of Cyclops suddenly becoming true team leader after Xavier's death (which I assume you're keeping, because otherwise why the hell would Cyclops be more of a team leader than he already was?) and the fact that Jean (I can't remember if they were married or not - probably not) died and then came back to life would be a good way to develop the character. Approved.
- Another romantic partner for Rogue? Remember, she had Wolverine and Iceman in the first film and seemed pretty happy with Iceman in the second. I know Gambit is closer to the comics, but the movies went a different direction and it worked. It'd be a shame to change this just so we're closer to the comics. Remember the retcon Smallville did with Jimmy Olsen? It'd be like that.
- New abilities for Rogue? Eh, bit late. Why was there no hint of it in the second film? WAY too much of a comic book-ish idea to work in a live-action movie. Again, the movies are very different to the comics. You need to bear that in mind. Flight would be a step too far, and the increased durability doesn't come from anywhere. Maybe she could show faint signs of magnetic powers, but I still think it'd be too late for the audience to buy it. NO. Again, this is a live action movie. The ONLY way this would work, and I mean ONLY, is if they were a power-armour suit like the 'evil' suit from Iron Man. A man strapped into an insanely powerful machine. The audience would never buy it otherwise. You need to accept that things were changed for a reason. Maybe if these had been signposted in the previous films, this might have worked. But dropping all this onto an audience in the third film? That's like introducing some mystical power into the Highlander franchise six films in- OH WAIT. Your plot doesn't justify this title, cool as it is.
Well, thanks for taking the time. I was wondering if perhaps you can give me a few more pointers, such as improving the plot and perhaps giving a better title.
Also, don't be mad, I was planning to have Jean and Xavier have a psi duel in a building. Both are dueling on multiple levels of reality. Jean continuing to use her power begins to glow brighter than the sun. Finally, a psi bolt launches Xavier through a large opening on the high rise and begins hurling down to the street below. Angel saves him.
So, Xavier will remain but his powers will be shaky after the psi duel.
Also, I've come to like Rogue (comic and movieverse). I just want her to improve as a character individually.
Plus, I wanted Magneto to leave on a better note than being cured:(
I flipped through a trade with Uncanny X-Men #150 in it, the last pages of Magneto believing he killed Kitty were, Wow, his whole world came crashing down. As Xavier put it: "By changing Magneto's perceptions of who and what he is. He came face to face with himself and could not stand the sight"
I would want that as a fitting finale for Magneto to take a break from the movieverse.
Cyclops, still reeling from the death of Jean Grey, is neglecting his duties as team leader, resulting in a training session almost going badly wrong if not for the intervention of Wolverine. Seeing Professor X, he agrees to take some time off and pull himself together. At the same time, a new student, Remy LeBeau, is admitted to school, takes the name Gambit and attracts the attention of Rogue, much to the disapproval of Iceman, while Colossus gets close to another new arrival, Kitty Pride, aka Shadowcat.
Meanwhile, Magneto and company have been hitting governmental institutions to try and validate their arguments over mutant superiority. In response to this, the government, in collaboration with Beast, have been coming up with ways to tackle the issue. They decide on the Sentinal program, a series of powered armour suits that the military has been designing. Beast is horrified by this, claiming that the government will use the Sentinals to repeat the concentration camps of WW2. He tries to convince the government to try less militaristic options, but is shot down and arrested, though he escapes.
Cyclops is drawn to where Jean died, where he finds her. She's not herself, and before he can talk to her, she vanishes. Reporting to Professor X, X uses Cerebro to tracks her down, and the pair go to find her, with Wolverine 'secretly' following (the Professor sensing him, but letting him follow them just in case). Finding Jean Grey, Cyclops tries to talk to her but she has a breakdown and turns into Phoenix. Wolverine enters and, realizing she's going to do something drastic, throws Cyclops out a window, leaving him and Professor X in the building. Jean then destroys the building, attempting to kill them both as Cyclops watches in horror. Wolverine recovers, revealing he shielded most of the damage, but the Professor is badly injured and in a coma (y'know, again).
Cyclops, angry and confused about what has happened to Jean, returns to the school and tries to get the team to track her down, but when Beast appears and informs them about the Sentinal program, Wolverine admits that this is the greater threat and the team needs to focus on that rather than Jean. Furious, Cyclops resigns, leaving to find her. Gambit and Rogue have also gotten closer, which sets Iceman off as he tries to break the two up, leading to a fight. During this Gambit is injured, which causes Rogue to fling a metal girder at Iceman, hurting him as well. She doesn't know how she did it and is immediately resourceful and runs off, with Shadowcat running after her.
Magneto and his team encounter the Sentinals and a massive fight breaks out with bystanders getting caught in the fray before the mutants win. Mystique exclaims that she didn't sign up for people to get hurt - this was about mutants proving that they are who they are, but innocent people don't need to suffer to prove it. Before Magneto can respond, Phoenix appears and counters Mystique. Mutants like her are superior and humanity needs to accept this, whatever it takes. Magneto, recognising a new ally, immediately takes her in, leaving Mystique shunned.
The Sentinals then attack the school, but the X-Men, with the team fractured, struggle to fight them off until Mystique returns and uses her first-hand experience of them, along with help from Beast, to defeat them. Hearing about Prof. X's demise, she vows to help the school remember his dream of a world where mutants and humans could live together. Shadowcat returns with Rogue, and Mystique helps her to come to terms with the fact that she has Magneto's powers as well as her own. They bond, and Rogue apologizes to Iceman. Gambit, frustrated, walks off until Wolverine reminds him that there are more women out there then he can count - and he'll be able to actually touch them. Another friendship is formed.
Magneto and co, meanwhile, are taking the fight against the Sentinals to the government, and attack place after place. Even Magneto is shocked by how violent Phoenix is being, but she puts him in his place by reminding him that mutants are strong and they need to prove it. Cyclops shows up and challenges her, but Phoenix is having none of it and flings him around like a doll, almost killing him until Magneto secretly saves him at the last second and leaves him a clue as to where they'll be heading next.
Cyclops contacts the X-Men and once they find him, he tells them where Magneto and Phoenix will be - the primary manufacturing facility of the Sentinals. Although barely able to stand he insists on leading the team, and they head for the facility. The final battle is a three-way fight between the X-Men, the Sentinals and the Brotherhood, and it's an epic battle. Seriously Epic.The Sentinals quickly realize that they need to back out, but Phoenix is having none of it and wipes them out, humans and all, with barely even a second thought. Realizing that Phoenix want far more than he does, Magneto allows the X-Men to get close to her, resulting in Cyclops and Wolverine getting close to her. Seeing both men gets her to drop her guard and beg them to kill her lest she be consumed once more, but Scott can't do it. Wolverine, however, can and does.
In the aftermath, the government realizes that challenging the mutants is not a satisfactory option and seeks out more diplomatic solutions with Beast... and Mystique. The Brotherhood goes off on their own, with Magneto especially struggling to come to terms with how he should best accomplish his goals, while Cyclops accepts his place as leader, Rogue accepts her new abilities and relationship with Iceman, Colossus and Shadowcat accept their feelings for each other and the X-Men accept that they're stronger together than apart. Gambit even meets a cute mutant called Siryn who can do amazing things with her mouth...
Post credits stinger: The Professor takes a breath... and flatlines. Is he awake? Is he not? Cliffhanger!
Impressive. Though some not exactly what I had in mind.
You and I would make excellent partners.
Before going into detail, I like to give two more bits of my plan:
Of course the Xavier monologue, which I borrowed from his speech on individuals with great power, of course you can correct it if it seems chunky:
When an individual acquires great power, the use or misuse of that power is everything.
In the quandary of mutants, there is an extremely fine line...
Will their power be used for the greater good? Or will it be used for personal or destructive ends? To counterbalance a chosen few, control is vital and with such loss would result in unimaginable destruction for all forms of life. Regarding the world with which they are cultivated and view, one can only hope they choose the right path…
And near the end (like the film) Magneto is sitting in a park (wearing civilian attire) with other people, at a chessboard. He sits in silence, rethinking his methods, his morals and his life
Soon, another elderly man sits opposite him and asks for a game. Magneto nods. As elderly man moves pawn forward, we see a glimpse of a Jewish brand on his arm. Magneto can't believe he's seeing a brother of his former life. He in return shows his. They shake and continue the game.
The final dialogue
Elderly man: "Thinking about the future?"
Magneto: "Something like that" He moves another piece and roll credits.
Needs work I'd admitt, but better bits and pieces than the whole enchilada?
The speech... it's good, but seems a little wordy. Possibly simplify it a little? Remember, people are stupid, so try not to make things too complicated or they won't understand what on earth you're talking about.
Glad you like the ending. To me, this is a proper way for Magneto to take a leave.
Now more info: I want Nightcrawler (Alan Cummings) to be in this
And you might ask how will he partake the extra hours of makeup again
It's simple: computer graphics. That would cut out the middle man of makeup and just keep the prop feet, hands and tail
Here's the simplify Xavier dialogue: When an individual acquires great power, the use or misuse of that power is everything.
To mutants, there is an extremely fine line...
Will their power be used for the greater good? Or will it be used for personal or destructive ends? For some, control is vital and with such loss would result in unimaginable destruction for all forms of life. Regarding the world with which they view, one can only hope they choose the right path…
Now to plot at hand, involving Phoenix. How do I avoid the mistake the third movie did?
Options
Plus, I wanted the Sentinel production plant to be stationed at North Island Naval Air Station at Coronado in San Diego.
Well I am open to alternative titles. I want one that's fitting yet does not signify the end
Phoenix Rising is way to obvious :rolleyes:
Suggestions are welcome
Over the past couple of months, if any have been reading my threads, that I am a very passionate person about my interests.
With the previous X-Men fic thread I started...
The scar of X3 is still on my heart
So much talent and story, plus a worthy ...
WASTED:mad:
SQUANDERED:mad::mad:
TAINTED:mad::mad::mad:
Upon seeing First Class renewed my hope, slightly
So, as with others, I plan to write a X-3 fic that will at least give me peace.
At first, in 07-08, my original drafts were chunky and featured too many characters and a muddled story.
After seeing First Class, I redone everything, keeping the parts from the movie I did like and let my creativity take care of the rest.
Now, I see various errors and am redoing it right this time.
I plan to use a clean slate, with nothing tieing from that awful movie.
A plan is working out as we speak, but I need your help...
First, I apologize to those whom my words may have offended, I am a passionate person, I stick by my beliefs and let no one tell me differently.
Here's some bits and pieces that will take place:
Bending reality, it is around 2004-2005 and I am a director with some films under my belt.
X-Men and X2 are cannon.
- Jean Grey returns as Phoenix
- Cyclops struggles with emotions as X-Man and individual
- Gambit will star in this (Taylor Kitsch)
- Sentinels and Master Mold
- Magneto will not have a large army but a small one compossed of
powerful mutants. (This was no easy task, I spent days, a couple of weeks
finding worthy candidates for Magneto's Brotherhood. Plus, it wasn't easy with the time frame)
- What I keep from my previous draft, is the fate I have of Magneto (a la Uncanny X-Men #150) where hyped up, he lashes out and kills a young mutant of his Brotherhood, who tries to stop him from killing President McKenna. The action finally shows him what kind of man he has become and is emotionally destroyed. Plus, DarthMarsden liked my ending where Magneto is sitting in a park somewhere in civilian attire (much like the end of X3) at a chess board. He just sits pondering his life and rethinking most of everything.
A senior gentlemen sits down and asks for a game. It is revealed that the man has a number tattooed on his arm, just like him. As they start the game, they make small talk and the tale will close with;
Man: Thinking about the future?
Magneto (pauses, then gives a small smile): Something like that
See, now for me, that is the perfect way for Magneto to be relieved as antagonist for the X-films and use other villains.
I'd like more imput from others.
I am asking for support and anything you would like to see, within reason.
Now I have the perfect title for this supposed movie, it doesn't signify the end, or does it?
X3 X-MEN PRELUDE TO WAR :cool:
What is wrong with people enjoying a franchise and wanting to ignore the bits that suck or make no sense??
So... because some moron wrote a book about The Legend of Zelda lore, it includes a split timeline which employs a Hero-of-Time-dies timeline, and Nintendo approved said book... then I must accept it as irrefutable fact, shut up and deal with it.
Umm... No? No, I don't. Especially when statements made by Zelda's creator, himself, are contradictory to common sense.
If he doesn't like certain aspects of the movies, he doesn't have to. And you don't have to be a jerk.
There's a Star Wars joke here somewhere.
So arguing about whether Lucas' word is law re: Star Wars is irrelevant at this point because he no longer owns it.
Awww gee Thanks:D
I'm just getting off the ground with writing but the ideas in my head are cookin. Thnx for considering me "an inspiration"
PS I plan to do the same with DAREDEVIL; both FANTASTIC FOUR's; both PUNISHER's; the third BLADE and the third SPIDER-MAN; and GHOST RIDER.
No offense to the any fans of these films but in my honest opinion, they oculd have been done better.
Not if what Lucas was saying about irrevocably altering all the master footage is true, derp!
As for X3, I never saw it, based on the terrible things my friends said about it, but I would rather the X-Men franchise start over again rather then continue to try to fit things in with the Bryan Singer movies.
Harmy's Star Wars: Despecialized Edition fan edits come to mind. And he doesn't own ILM.
2) Disney is probably fully aware of the great demand for a remastered OOT.
It's just a matter of them coming to an agreement on how the profits are split. For Lucasfilm to release the OOT now is no different from Lucasfilm releasing it before the sale to Disney, except that the corporate execs can't possibly be as dense about the idea as George Lucas was, given that anyone with a reasonable amount of sense would see nothing but dollar signs (which is why Lucas is a retard).
No way I would derail this thread I love X-Men!
I've been watching this on Netflix.
I hope so I know its cliché but he is one of my fave of the X-men and I'd love to see a great movie with him.
Request denied. Where is your god now?
The cartoon did a cut-down version where Wolverine hooked up with Storm. Hilarious in its randomness.