I.. Don't know..
So who threatens Ben when they find out he's the one that was dealing with the Bandits?
Lee sure goes off his rocker! But it kind of made me rewind and do the segment again because although it's a damn crappy thing to do. It was Lilly that caused what happened.
So my question to you all, who do you ultimately blame?
Ben or Lilly?
And how did you react to Ben when he fessed up?
Lee sure goes off his rocker! But it kind of made me rewind and do the segment again because although it's a damn crappy thing to do. It was Lilly that caused what happened.
So my question to you all, who do you ultimately blame?
Ben or Lilly?
And how did you react to Ben when he fessed up?
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And I can't really blame anyone... I mean, it's not like they did it to harm the group on purpose. It was just a situation that got terribly out of hand.
Ultimately, I blame Kenny for everything that went wrong up to now. It all hinged on that meat locker incident. Even after reading over a thousand pro and anti Kenny posts on the fuck Kenny thread, I remain fully convinced that kenny is 100% to blame for the loss of the group. In my game, Kenny went against me and murdered Larry. Right or wrong, that single action set into motion a series of tragic events beginning with Kenny's loss of Lee's friendship.
Ben will be executed for treason just as soon as the story permits.
I just hate she more because it was Lilly who shot! Ben was stupid and cowardly, but he did not want to kill anyone.
I hope they both die in hell!:
"Its ok Ben I understand,tell me about your feelings,do you feel you are respected in this group? tell me how you'd like to contribute to the group,what can we do to make you feel more comfortable and accepted in the group? don't worry I promise we'll understand,Let's work this out together as a group"
He needed to understand that he should think about,and fear, the possible consequences of his actions.Sadly the episode 4 trailer doesn't fill me with much hope.
But contemplating on that now I'm not so sure. If Larry were still alive and had been revived successfully then shit would have hit the fan much worse if Ben still decided to give out the rations.
I'm going to have to blame Lilly though, Wrighty had it wright. If Lilly didn't scare everyone so much, Ben might have fessed up, before anyone was harmed.
God I hope that b1tch got killed. Which is fascinating because I'm usually a very loving and compassionate person.
But as Katjaa said, "there's always a line." And Lilly didn't cross it. She jumped in a landspeeder and went Mach 5 over it.
Doug died trying to save Ben who should not have been saved, while with Carley she just gets shot point blank in the head. They're both to blame but I don't blame Lilly AS much when you have Doug rather the Carley.
I actually liked Lilly and understood her issues but when she decided to shoot, she also decided to load all the guilt on her shoulders.
I didn't want Lee to be too hard on Ben. Though he is still pretty harsh wit the "Geez Ben..." or whatever. Then when I talked to Ben again, and he was surprised that I still wanted to talk to him, I chose the "of course" one. After that it was mostly Hi, then Bye. Watching Ben's head just fall into his hands again.
So in my opinion I will blame none of them, forget killing someone over a mistake.
I threatened Ben on the train even though I knew it was him before the bandits even attacked. He stayed silent and let agood person die because of him. Carley sticks up for him, while Doug takes the bullet outright for the kid. Carley/Doug didn't have to die, but Ben let it happen because he didn't have the courage to admit his mistake. If he had fessed up, I wouldn't have let Lilly, or Kenny, or anyone kick him out. He did what he thought was right, and if he could take responsibility for everything that went wrong because of it then he deserves a second chance. I would have made HIM the one to shoot Duck though, so he could see what his actions caused. But since he wasn't willing to admit what he did was wrong, and stupid, he got ANOTHER person killed. That was pure cowardice, and if he crosses my Lee one more time he'll wish we'd left him at the motel during the raid.
They were both to blame for Carley´s death, but I didn´t have the strength to do anything to either of them. When I reflected on that in my playthrough, it made me feel like shit.
Reminds me of a movie I watched lastnight. Tomorrow, when the war began!
Is basically a Aussi version of Red Dawn.. But a scene in it had one guy fall asleep on watch and nearly got the group caught/killed.. They were ready to kill him for sleeping on watch!
it's not like he did it to harm the group on purpose. It was just a situation that got terribly out of hand.
regardless, the actions of one can seriously affect the rest of the group in a dire manner!
When faced with a situation as severe as a ZA or War, there has to be a line drawn where "oop's I'm sorry" or "I didnt mean too" or "I was scared" can no longer be valid excuses.
This is now a world of if you fuck-up, you and the rest of us die!
I've no pity for Ben regardless of his age or what he's been through. We've all been through the same and worse and his actions have already caused deaths. He cant be allowed to risk our lives again!
Actually, I believe there was a similar scene in Platoon, an American movie set during the Vietnam War. Near the beginning, some guy fell asleep and I think the other was too afriad to do anything when the Viet Cong showed up, so one or two guys ended up dying in the firefight, plus the guy who fell asleep. They were ready to lynch them, and the guys who messed up the watch were new, just like Ben was to our group.
But if you look at it, everyone has fucked up their on way somehow. I see that whole situation outside the RV not as something that's only one person's fault, that whole "mental breakdown" thing has been building up ever since episode 2, when Lilly and Kenny started arguing. Ben's deal was just the last straw. That's why I can't blame anyone, because then a lot of people would be to blame for that.
So, Ben fucks up once. He feels guilty as hell, it seems to me that the mistake won't repeat itself. But if he keeps fucking up, I won't be so forgiving. For now (and just now), I'm fine with him, and I hope he and Lee can build some sort of friendship and trust, so Lee can help him in situations like the one with the bandits.
I could (although extremely slightly as I also hate her) sympathize with Lilly because of everything that she went through, but Ben is a bratty traitor who didn't place trust in the group that if it weren't for them, he would be long dead. I don't feel any pity for him and couldn't care less if he dies, tbh.
Ben was the reason why Lilly started getting suspicious as he was stealing the supplies. He didn't admit it was him when Lilly was threatening Carley. Lilly pulled the trigger, but Ben started it all. And Kenny had a part in it as well since he's what caused Lilly to go nuts, but I personally love Kenny.
I was very disappointed when I couldn't push Ben off even when I threatened him and was a total ass to him after the RV scene.
Lilly pulled the trigger.
This. In any other situation I'd probably support Ben, but he has not once helped the group other then stand watch, and he is indirectly responsible for Doug/Carley's, and Duck's death. He may have done what he did with good intentions, but keeping it a secret caused our group to be split in half, and like this guy has said, there needs to be a line where sorry or I didn't mean to stops. I feel for him but he has brought nothing but pain to the group and if he doesn't get his shit together soon he has to go. Death is to extreme, but I'd like to give him a little food and some water, and send him on his way before he directly or indirectly gets another group member killed.
It really could have been worse, I thought Lee acted pretty understandably there, given circumstances, I mean he could have gone blind with rage and did something everyone (except afew) would resent him for, also against the players will.
I thought "Jesus, Ben." was pretty lenient considering half the group was dead and/or dieing and he didn't fess up in the heat of the moment, Although it didn't make me Hate/Like lee anymore I see your point on it being his story, but wasn't it meant to be in the first place?
i felt all the dialogue choices we just about the same in that conversation, all more mad than reasonable, and then after that you only get one choice and that was really just threatening, the whole conversation was all threatening after he confessed and that is a part of Lee i don't like, as in if i were ben everything he said would have made me worried that i was about to get a beating if i said the wrong thing
Even the silent "..." option? I actually used that option for the first time in the game when the group met Christa later on in e3.
I went with the "I could kill you" option but the "why Ben" or "... " those dialogue options should have made Lee seem more passive.
i don't know if i tried that, but the silent option is not always silent and just basically a random option or saying to the game "you choose" rather than a choice, and i think unless he had made a sad yet disappointed face with a hint of understanding, a cold stare would have been a bit threatening
I think the "..." option is:
Ben:"Say something,pleeeeeeeease"
Lee:cold stare
i remember now, i had seen it in vlod's silent treatment, there should have been at least one choice where Lee is understanding and tries to console ben
Anyway, I don't see how Lee's responses on the train are too harsh, especially the "Jesus, Ben" response, if there's anyway that Ben can learn from his mistakes and get better, it won't be by mollycoddling him, IMO...he needs a stern talking-to at the very least, if anyone needs consolation it's Clem and Kenny. And, honestly, the simple fact he just hasn't exiled/killed Ben already makes him more lenient than the majority of ZA Survival groups.
Yes, I blame Lilly.
I too had a good relationship with both Lilly and Carley. Lilly was the first one I told about my past and she forgave me straight up. Saying "He was probably a dick anyway.."
Well, she went and fucked over everyone real good. Left her by the side of the road. Bitch.
Let me get this straight: Your Lee confessed his murder(murder not manslaughter) to a friend and she forgave him straight up.When,tragically, that friend cracks and also becomes a murderer you instantly abandon her in the hope she dies....
I do agree that "Tomorrow when the war began" is awesome
Ben is to be blamed only indirectly for whoever's death- he's the one who caused the chaos, but he didn't mean or expect Carley/the other dude (forgot his name now, eek) to be killed over what he did.
Lilly meant to kill whether she knew the truth or not. She thought she knew what happened, and decided that was good enough to take someone's life.
As for Carley / Doug, it was Lily's fault. She just coldly executed a suspect without any proof and without asking the rest of the group. In the previous episode there was a scene - two bandits argued about stolen food and then one of them shot the other - Lily basically did the same thing here.
Exactly and the Comic is MUCH MUCH worse
Different circumstances. Lee probably did it in the heat of the moment. You could argue that Lilly's was too, but it the omen was all on her, if she didn't get so worked up over it, Carley wouldn't have told her where to stick it. Lee did it because he was seriously betrayed by sum1 he loved. Lilly did it because she can't take criticism.
It might seem hypocritical but they are drastically different scenarios. Plus Carley was a better friend to Lee than Lilly was and she knew this.
I blame the bandits for pressuring Ben with psychological abuse and attacking the group when they didn't get what they wanted through Bens victimisation.
I eventually went with silent stare with Ben, the other options kinda made me think Lee was needlessly being a douche to the kid.