So... about the St. John's Brothers

Brohan

Who actually killed them/ let them live? And why?

I killed Danny because he is a sick fuck. thinking Lee's group will eat him after he is killed, and I killed Andy because she pulled Clementine's hair, & like in the trailer Lee said "... is gonna end up dead."

thestalkinghead

well this has been discussed but, in my definition killing either was just plain murder and i don't want to be a part of murder, so i didn't personally kill them

Phoenix VII

I killed both of them...their fates were sealed when I saw my bro Mark crawling on the ground without his legs. Poor Mark.:(

Rock114

Well, I killed Danny after he gave me that very convincing speech, with the whole "I know, you can do it! I seen you do it in the woods! Strike me down, give in to your hatred!". I also killed Jolene, and helped kill Larry in the meat locker. When I beat Andy and saw the whole group looking at me, I felt like a murderer actually. Shot Jolene as soon as I could, helped with Larry, pitchforked Danny, drove Brenda into a walker's arms. I might have killed him if not for shooting Jolene, and Clem seeing me kill Danny after he said I was just like him or wahtever in the barn. As it was, I felt I had spilled more than enough blood and elected to leave him to whatever fate seemed best to him. I knew he probably wouldn't come back.

Kiel555

I killed both brothers. Reason was because they murdered a friend of mine (Mark) and served him up for chow. I think the punishment fit the crime.

KMatt

Left them both for the walkers. No need to bloody my hands when the walkers can do it for me.

FoxxyFox

Left them for the walkers and zombie-mummy Brenda

LadyJ

I killed them both. Thought about leaving them for the walkers but decided to eliminate the possibility of 2 additional walkers instead.

TomaO2

I left them alive. There is a difference between killing those people out of anger and punishing them after they had been beaten. That said, I was extremely disappointed that karma killed them off. Their fate should have been decided by a group decision instead.

Leaving them on their own was not an option, in my mind. If we had just walked off and nothing further had happened I would have rewound my game to kill them off because there was no way I was going to let murderers like that keep the farm, the fence, the weapons and let the remaining two brothers keep on finding victims to kill off. They had to be stopped

If we had decided to destroy their fence and set off some additional noise so the walkers would come, however, that would have been an okay punishment. I also would have voted to execute them, had it come to that. In the absence of the courts, having my group judge and sentence him is as close to a fair trial as they would get. Not that they weren't completely guilty but it's the spirit of the thing. There is a right way and a wrong way to kill these people.

Plus, doing it this way would have given another moral decision. After all, making them prisoners wasn't a real option. The game should have had teh courage to tackle the question of what to do when you have captured unrepentant serial killers instead of letting the players "keep their hands clean" and letting karma do the dirty work. It's kind of a cop-out for a seriously minded game that deals with choice, like this one.

Natalie1213

I left them alive. Killing Danny would have made me just as bad as him/them, so I didn't do it. I didn't shoot Jolene either, and left Andy to be taken care of by the walkers. I figured that's a bigger punishment than killing them myself.

Zeruis

I didn't kill them. There had already been enough bloodshed in the meat locker. As for Andy, he wanted to die, so I just left him there.

Bananapatcher

I didn't kill Danny because he wasn't a threat anymore. I killed Andy because he still was.

KMatt

On my original playthrough I didn't kill either. But on my second and third playthrough I did. Both of Andy's death scenes are pretty awesome (in a epic-movie-death-scene sort of way). Which ones have you seen and which one did you think was better? Lee kicking Andy into the fence or grabbing the gun and executing him?

Zeruis

KMatt wrote: »

On my original playthrough I didn't kill either. But on my second and third playthrough I did. Both of Andy's death scenes are pretty awesome (in a epic-movie-death-scene sort of way). Which ones have you seen and which one did you think was better? Lee kicking Andy into the fence or grabbing the gun and executing him?

I tried this too in my other save file. I like the idea of him dying by his own creation. I also love the look Lilly gives you if you kill Andy.

KMatt

Zeruis wrote: »

I tried this too in my other save file. I like the idea of him dying by his own creation. I also love the look Lilly gives you if you kill Andy.

Yeah and if you'd just helped Kenny kill her father too, that makes you feel all kinds of bad.

Rock114

KMatt wrote: »

Yeah and if you'd just helped Kenny kill her father too, that makes you feel all kinds of bad.

Which is why I'm glad I decided to spare Andy at the very end. And I think shooting him is the better one, because Lee yells one final time as he steadies the rifle: "IT'S OVER!"

KMatt

Rock114 wrote: »

Which is why I'm glad I decided to spare Andy at the very end. And I think shooting him is the better one, because Lee yells one final time as he steadies the rifle: "IT'S OVER!"

Yeah that is pretty awesome. I havn't enjoyed a game as much as I'm enjoying this game in a very long time. The writers are top-notch and the voice acting is perfect.

Really looking forward to the next episode.

RedKoolLoops

I left them both alive.

After what just went down in that meat locker, I was still feeling pretty disturbed so I couldn't bring myself to off Danny in cold blood. Like Lee says, 'That's not how the world works now.'

The same went for Andy, although I did beat him to a pulp (because at that point my shock had turned to anger, but I still was never going to kill him). The moment that music started playing though and Andy had resigned to his fate actually made me sad.
I never thought I'd feel sad for the bad guys in a game like this.

thestalkinghead

RedKoolLoops wrote: »

I left them both alive.

After what just went down in that meat locker, I was still feeling pretty disturbed so I couldn't bring myself to off Danny in cold blood. Like Lee says, 'That's not how the world works now.'

The same went for Andy, although I did beat him to a pulp (because at that point my shock had turned to anger, but I still was never going to kill him). The moment that music started playing though and Andy had resigned to his fate actually made me sad.
I never thought I'd feel sad for the bad guys in a game like this.

it is pretty disturbing hearing someone that hates you ask you to kill them, i first noticed that in system shock 2

actually they both wanted to die, maybe they were deep down appalled at what they had become and just wanted it to end

Viner16

Well I killed Danny, but I left Andy alive to suffer with the knowledge that his entire family was dead in one night.

FOR MARK!

Ninnuendo

Danny was incapacitated and no threat so I left him, hoping Lilly would do it for me. I seriously considered killing Andy because grabbing Clem pissed me off, instead I just beat him to a pulp, told him both his family were dead and left him for zombiefood.

Pellet

the 1st time i played i helped kenny in the meat locker and then spared Danny
but quickly turned off my xbox when lilly said somthing like "you kill my dad but let this pos live"

Wrighty

Killed neither, didnt really want to traumatise Clem any further. Besides, why get my hands dirty when the walkers are obviously going to kill em for me? Danny was trapped in a beartrap and Andy had been beaten to a pulp :P

Im also not going to start executing people on my own authority.

Razzak

I havent kill them because their punishment must be more severe.

IndigoHawk

I killed them both. They were a danger to other survivors, I had the opportunity to stop them, and they were too dangerous to take responsibility for them by making them part of the group. There's no judicial system, so punishments are pretty much limited to execution and exile. Exile can't be used if the survivor is a danger to others, as the St Johns were.

However, I agree with taking a vote on what to do. Lee didn't need to make the decision alone, and Clem didn't need to watch executions. With the zombies, there wasn't much time to vote. It would have been fine to leave the St Johns behind (even though they would probably die), because they weren't part of the group, and the group is responsible for survival over justice. If the St Johns were part of the group, it would have been better to take them along and then vote on their fate. The St Johns might have fled in that case, but that's a privilege of group membership.

I don't agree with purposely leaving the St Johns alive but sabotaging their defenses or otherwise making sure the St Johns don't have a fighting chance against the zombies. Make a decision on whether to execute them, not pretend that indirectly killing them is morally better than killing them. It's not justice or keeping your hands clean to make the St Johns suffer in terror before the zombies get them. It's cruel.

Cooperal

Killed Danny. I didn't expect a bear trap to keep him down if I left him... in a shed full of... well you saw what was in there yourself. I'd prefer a pinned down zombie. I was not aware that Clem was watching however and felt a little regret just as I'd done it. But had I left him, either Lilly would've used him to take out some anger or the zombies would've claimed him.

I let Andy be. I think I'd weakened him beyond the point of being a threat. And it didn't appear that he had any effective weaponry in reach. And I already made the mistake of letting group members see a side of me that I didn't want them to see.