Vernon mentioning the train

edited October 2012 in The Walking Dead
At the end when the group leaves the school from the Roof, Vernon says something about the train.. 'did you get here with that train' or something.

I wonder why he mentioned that.. you can't ask him about it later when your in the manor...

He might seen the zombie horde walking towards town or something (that you see from the Vernon hideout)..

Anyone have clue?

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  • edited October 2012
    That sounds like the most plausible answer.
    It's part of the same horde that was dealt with earlier when you met Omid & Christa.
    Took them about a day (or so) on foot. Sounds about right. Cause IIRC at that time the group wasn't too far from Savannah when their path was blocked.
  • edited October 2012
    I just thought it was strange he mentioned it when it had no reason for the main storyline..

    Maybe it was just a hint that he seen that zombie horde coming and thats why he and his group left town... (in the case of him not taking Clem).. Still wont explain why they left so quickly... since he wanted Clem to stay there with his group
  • edited October 2012
    There is the option that Lee say that he must go back to Clementine and Vernon ask about her. How can he know her ? About the walkie-talkie guy ?

    Vernon ask questions that you later when you gave an answer know that he is like a "rat".
  • edited October 2012
    It sounded like it had some significance.

    My bet is that Vernon and his people took Clem on that train and went back. After all Vernon asks about his relative in Macon when he meets Lee.

    But then again, I am always wrong when guessing what's next.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited October 2012
    Someone should photoshop Vernon holding a walkie talkie saying "I'm not Vernon if thats what you think"
  • edited October 2012
    Maybe it was just a hint that he seen that zombie horde coming and thats why he and his group left town...

    I think this is the most likely.
  • edited October 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    Someone should photoshop Vernon holding a walkie talkie saying "I'm not Vernon if thats what you think"

    And then turning to his cancer survivor friends and saying, "I told him I'm not Vernon!" And then they all snicker behind their hands.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited October 2012
    And then turning to his cancer survivor friends and saying, "I told him I'm not Vernon!" And then they all snicker behind their hands.

    In this Episode the old mute Black Cancer Survivor was played by Morgan Freeman.
  • edited October 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    In this Episode the old mute Black Cancer Survivor was played by Morgan Freeman.

    Mah Gawds...
  • ThadeumThadeum Banned
    edited October 2012
    After replaying this part, in the escape from Crawford, Vernon asks :

    Vernon: "You never came from the railroad, did you?"
    Lee: "Yes, why?"
    And then he says that obvious HINT:
    "Nevermind. I can see sewers from here".

    My theory is that Vernon and his group, at the end of the episode, went out to the railroad to escape the city, using the train we used!

    And he does not say, "Nervermind, I can see sewers from here", but "Nervermind. I can see (...)". There is a dot, which means he does not want to you to know why he asked that, not that he was looking for another way (the railroad is not at Crawford where this sequence played anyway)
  • edited October 2012
    Thadeum wrote: »
    My theory is that Vernon and his group, at the end of the episode, went out to the railroad to escape the city, using the train we used!

    Nah. I think he was alarmed at the number of walkers in the horde that was following the train headed in their direction and decided to pack up his peeps and gtfo.
  • edited October 2012
    If you remember, right at the end when the walkie man talks to Lee the group sees a huge amount of walkers shuffling by on the streets above. That's probably the herd from Episode 3 finally hitting town. I can't think of any other reason Vernon would have mentioned the tracks at that moment in the tower if it wasn't for a giant horde of walkers heading our way.
  • ThadeumThadeum Banned
    edited October 2012
    LadyJ wrote: »
    Nah. I think he was alarmed at the number of walkers in the horde that was following the train headed in their direction and decided to pack up his peeps and gtfo.

    I think the opposite, that it is not really plausible. A long distance separates the town from walkers where you left them behind, and there is very few chance this guy saw the railroad from above. Also, there are a lot of walkers already infesting the city. It does not really change their situation.

    You should also remember that one of the people in Vernon's group , an old woman, seemed really sick, and could'n't stand up. A train is a perfect way for them to travel injured people.

    Another guy in the group said he was from Macon, if you played it by telling them that you did not come from here (Lee says he is from Macon). They might have headed back for whatever are their reasons.

    And obviously Vernon's group does not have Clem. They were not the one playing with the talkie-walkie, and there is no way Vernon is a kidnapper.
  • edited October 2012
    Thadeum wrote: »
    I think the opposite, that it is not really plausible. A long distance separates the town from walkers where you left them behind, and there is very few chance this guy saw the railroad from above. Also, there are a lot of walkers already infesting the city. It does not really change their situation.

    Well, aside from the fact that I'm fine with agreeing to disagree, I still disagree. In TWD universe, a herd is formulated by straggling walkers so walkers in the city would have tagged themselves along with the horde coming from the railroad tracks. Which would have made an even larger herd of them. Large enough to bridge the distance between what was already in the town and what was coming to the town. PLUS we now have all the walkers from Crawford who are probably loose now that the group has left. Ample opportunity for them to merge and I'm guessing Vernon saw it but didn't want to alert the rest of them.

    I DO agree about the train being a good way to transport the ill but I still don't think that's what they did...or why.
  • edited October 2012
    Pretty sure he found the herd. He might've thought that the town was in danger, got his people, and went on his way to get out of Savannah.
  • edited October 2012
    Hm do you think back in episode 3 choosing whether to knock over the thing thats starts the fire on the ground when the huge horde of walkers are walking through has an affect on how many walkers are in savannah? If that makes sense.
  • edited October 2012
    We'll see in the next episode.

    At this point, I'm suspecting that Vernon did see the herd since we see the herd arriving in the next morning, but I'm hoping he didn't and just saw the train, because if he saw the herd but didn't warn us then he's instantly eligible for a #1 Jerk of Ep. 4 Award especially since he's a doctor.
  • edited October 2012
    Tommyo3000 wrote: »
    Hm do you think back in episode 3 choosing whether to knock over the thing thats starts the fire on the ground when the huge horde of walkers are walking through has an affect on how many walkers are in savannah? If that makes sense.

    I hope so. I kicked down the torch, but the fire seemed to not affect them at all. Hopefully if you kicked the torch down, less Zombies appear and those that do make it through are charred and what remains of their body is badly damaged making them slow-er.
  • edited October 2012
    I'm pretty sure he asked in order to find a way for his group out of the city. It's obvious he isn't the man on the radio like almost everyone thinks... That seems like the only logical reason for him asking about the train since he knew they were new in town and probably wanted to know how they got there.
  • edited October 2012
    I think it must be the herd approaching. It was already implied in the last scene in the morgue. They used the same sound effects as they did in the herd scene in ep3.

    Since we have been in Savannah the largest group of walkers we have had to fight have been about a dozen or two dozen (12-24); the herd is comprised of THOUSANDS of walkers, all moving together, all going in the same direction. You don't fight herds, you run (or hide). Thats why Vernon asked Lee to hand over Clem; he saw what was coming, and thats why he and his group have done a runner.

    Savannah is overrun.
  • edited October 2012
    KMatt wrote: »
    I think it must be the herd approaching. It was already implied in the last scene in the morgue. They used the same sound effects as they did in the herd scene in ep3.

    Since we have been in Savannah the largest group of walkers we have had to fight have been about a dozen or two dozen (12-24); the herd is comprised of THOUSANDS of walkers, all moving together, all going in the same direction. You don't fight herds, you run (or hide). Thats why Vernon asked Lee to hand over Clem; he saw what was coming, and thats why he and his group have done a runner.

    Savannah is overrun.

    If he saw thousands of walkers, why would he then ask about the train? It seems like a bad time to play the blame game. Even so. Why not warn them before leaving? He dosn't stand to gain anything for whitholding that information. I believe, that he and his people have taken the train.
  • edited October 2012
    He would ask about the train because he wanted to know if his group could somehow leave the town before the herd overruns savannah...
    I think he wanted to stick with his own group and didn't fully trust lee's group, especially since they lost brie. So he decided to leave with his group alone and allow lee's group to go their own way. The train basically is the perfect getaway vehicle for them.
  • edited October 2012
    If you don't lie about Clem being your daughter does that affect his dialogue? Maybe because you left out / mis-told information he doesn't feel the need to tell you whats coming or as revenge for Brie.

    He probably took the train and thought nothing of it since your group is getting ready to get on a boat. I'm sure if you didn't have the boat option he wouldn't be that morally wrong as to just let you get trapped? (though this is giving him the benefit of the doubt)
  • edited October 2012
    My first thought when he mentioned this was that he was probably thinking of getting in the train and getting the hell out of Savannah, and I think I'm sticking to that. He knows for a fact after asking that they came on that very train, and also that they were going to leave by boat, meaning they would have no use for the train any longer since they obviously weren't planning on going back to it, leading to him saying 'never mind' since it probably didn't matter if he wanted to use the train or not, seeing as they no longer wanted it.

    And I do think there was a bit of a railroad/train-ish sound when they saw the walkers through that narrow slit in the morgue. My guess is that they left in the train at that exact moment and the walkers were chasing them. But who knows, all we can do is guess. In fact, it might not even be of significance to the next episode if you think about it. I think it only served to imply the reasons as to why the morgue was empty, nothing more.

    Edit: I didn't see the previous post when I wrote this, which kind of pointed out the same thing as I did! Well, guess that makes two of us.
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