There might be hope

edited October 2012 in The Walking Dead
*Incoming wall of text*

I've been looking the Lee bite scene over a bit, and I think its a scratch, not a bite. First of all its was very quick, and when he 'bit' Lee his head went straight down. It's not possible to sink in deep enough and pull out downwards without taking a piece of flesh with you.

Second, If you look closely, it doesn't quite look like a bite. Take for example the bottom of the 'bite'. There is no site of the mandible (Lower teeth). When something bites, the marks are the maxilla and the mandible. The bottom doesn't show lower mark of teeth, only 2 corners that's not teeth shape.

Thirdly, the marks on the top is vertical, much scratch like.

Fourthly, The top are 4 marks, which are the primary, middle, ring and pinky finger. On the side there is another mark, which is of the thumb. Most of the 'bite' is in a mouth like shape except that part. A mouth can't reach that far and even if a zombies mouth can there is not teeth there (And I'm pretty sure zombies don't grow extra teeth). Also if you look closely the zombie lunges at Lee with his right hand first. In slow-motion, you can see the blood splat before the zombies mouth reaches Lee, and instead the hand. And the right hand's thumb is on the left, the same side of the mark on Lee's 'bite'.

Lastly, if you get bitten, I'm pretty sure you will fell the pain and immediantly look at the mark. Lee noticed he got 'bit' when his blood landed on Clem's hat.

My theory: The zombie scratched him and it was merely skin deep. Because in his shock and fear he didn't notice the mark until he saw the blood. It is known that a person in shock, fear or extreme stress are less likely to feel mild pain. A skin deep scratch isn't very painful so in Lee's situations (Him being in shock of the zombie attack and his worry of Clem) it was very unlikely that he felt such minor pain. If it was a bite, he would obviously feel it no matter how much shock. I've been bitten by a dog and my annoying little stepbrother. Both were skin deep and it hurt like hell. When I was helping in the garden I got scratched while working with thorn bushes. I first noticed the bleeding dripped over my shoes. So that's my theory. I'll be honest, I've been very pessimistic, and a bit annoyed at people when they are like 'Telltale can surprise us, Lee may live!' but now I think Lee might actually survive. Unless you can get infected by a zombie scratch. I know it is like that in other zombie games and films, but it was never stated in TWD universe that a scratch can turn you, a bite yes, but not a scratch. *End Wall of Text*

TL;DR: Lee was scratched, not bitten.

This is just a ray of hope, that I hope is true.

Comments

  • edited October 2012
    I'd like Lee to survive as much as you bro', but this is just wishful thinking. I'm sorry.
  • edited October 2012
    Hate to say it, but scratches are fatal in the Walking Dead universe too, last I checked. If it draws blood, it kills you.
  • edited October 2012
    The game calls it a bite, and I'm pretty sure if you go for the plywood rather than the walkie talkie it's a bit clearer that Lee is bitten.

    And even if Lee doesn't die of infection, they all think he's going to, so how would that even play out? Assuming Lee doesn't just off himself, he's definitely not going to try getting on the boat and putting everyone in danger. Even if he isn't bitten, getting the characters to figure that out would be clunky and awkward story-wise.
  • edited October 2012
    It doesn't hurt to be optimistic.
  • edited October 2012
    All interesting points, but it doesn't change the fact that he referred to it as a bite and that it would feel like a huge cop-out to have him survive.

    It will be sad, but it makes more sense from a storytelling perspective to have him die.
  • edited October 2012
    One can only hope. Telltale has been great at surprising us.
  • edited October 2012
    him not dieing is not possible unless if the plywood scratched him :D
  • edited October 2012
    You hold onto that hope. It's the one thing none of this can take away.
  • N7.N7.
    edited October 2012
    I'll never play the walking dead without Lee
  • edited October 2012
    Did Gary Whitta just quote someone from episode 4? XD

    And I'm sorry, bro, but that's just wishful thinking. Bite or scratch, Lee will get ill sooner or later and end up dying because of it. If it was strong enough to make him bleed, that means it was able to get inside his body and will cause his death.
  • edited October 2012
    *Incoming wall of text*

    I've been looking the Lee bite scene over a bit, and I think its a scratch, not a bite. First of all its was very quick, and when he 'bit' Lee his head went straight down. It's not possible to sink in deep enough and pull out downwards without taking a piece of flesh with you.

    Second, If you look closely, it doesn't quite look like a bite. Take for example the bottom of the 'bite'. There is no site of the mandible (Lower teeth). When something bites, the marks are the maxilla and the mandible. The bottom doesn't show lower mark of teeth, only 2 corners that's not teeth shape.

    Thirdly, the marks on the top is vertical, much scratch like.

    Fourthly, The top are 4 marks, which are the primary, middle, ring and pinky finger. On the side there is another mark, which is of the thumb. Most of the 'bite' is in a mouth like shape except that part. A mouth can't reach that far and even if a zombies mouth can there is not teeth there (And I'm pretty sure zombies don't grow extra teeth). Also if you look closely the zombie lunges at Lee with his right hand first. In slow-motion, you can see the blood splat before the zombies mouth reaches Lee, and instead the hand. And the right hand's thumb is on the left, the same side of the mark on Lee's 'bite'.

    Lastly, if you get bitten, I'm pretty sure you will fell the pain and immediantly look at the mark. Lee noticed he got 'bit' when his blood landed on Clem's hat.

    My theory: The zombie scratched him and it was merely skin deep. Because in his shock and fear he didn't notice the mark until he saw the blood. It is known that a person in shock, fear or extreme stress are less likely to feel mild pain. A skin deep scratch isn't very painful so in Lee's situations (Him being in shock of the zombie attack and his worry of Clem) it was very unlikely that he felt such minor pain. If it was a bite, he would obviously feel it no matter how much shock. I've been bitten by a dog and my annoying little stepbrother. Both were skin deep and it hurt like hell. When I was helping in the garden I got scratched while working with thorn bushes. I first noticed the bleeding dripped over my shoes. So that's my theory. I'll be honest, I've been very pessimistic, and a bit annoyed at people when they are like 'Telltale can surprise us, Lee may live!' but now I think Lee might actually survive. Unless you can get infected by a zombie scratch. I know it is like that in other zombie games and films, but it was never stated in TWD universe that a scratch can turn you, a bite yes, but not a scratch. *End Wall of Text*

    TL;DR: Lee was scratched, not bitten.

    This is just a ray of hope, that I hope is true.

    I totally agree you can't bite something without a jaw i agree its a scratch but who know what will happen
  • edited October 2012
    the saliva of the bite kills you if it was a scratch there's a chance there was no saliva a huge chance.
  • edited October 2012
    I don't think there's a question to whether or not Lee was bit, because how would they prove he wasn't bitten? The only thing I can think of is: It's been a two weeks and Lee hasn't gotten sick and died yet. The thing is there's no action or drama with that kind of a confirmation, which makes for lousy storytelling.

    Still if you're looking for hope, let me bounce this off ya: Nothing in the game since the opening sequence is real. The whole series of events after the officer runs off the the road are dreamed up by Lee has he lies unconscious in the wrecked police car.

    That's right, I'm proposing Indoctrination Theory for TWD. :p
  • edited October 2012
    I don't think there's a question to whether or not Lee was bit, because how would they prove he wasn't bitten? The only thing I can think of is: It's been a two weeks and Lee hasn't gotten sick and died yet. The thing is there's no action or drama with that kind of a confirmation, which makes for lousy storytelling.

    Still if you're looking for hope, let me bounce this off ya: Nothing in the game since the opening sequence is real. The whole series of events after the officer runs off the the road are dreamed by up by Lee has he lies unconscious in the wrecked police car.

    That's right, I'm proposing Indoctrination Theory for TWD. :p

    i like that theory i believe that theory was better than the mass effect endings :D
  • edited October 2012
    i like that theory i believe that theory was better than the mass effect endings :D

    No kidding. That ending was so bad it damaged the internet.
  • edited October 2012
    But my shep lives :D
  • man some of yall are fucking assholes, acting like it's against the law to be optimistic or some shit
  • edited October 2012
    This guy has a decent persuasive point here and I undoubtedly agree. I once got scratched by a cat on my wrist and I felt "WTF". Lee got scratched by a walker and he didn't even feel it till he picked Clem's hat and observed the bite by himself, I don't want to sound aggressive or against you all but Lee's destiny is yet to be unknown and you guys comment like if he is really going to die, the end is totally obscure and unbeknown so nobody has the ability to say something which is really gonna happen but who knows, but keep in mind the end is still ambiguous. We hope the best for Lee!
  • edited October 2012
    Web Head wrote: »
    This guy has a decent persuasive point here and I undoubtedly agree. I once got scratched by a cat on my wrist and I felt "WTF". Lee got scratched by a walker and he didn't even feel it till he picked Clem's hat and observed the bite by himself, I don't want to sound aggressive or against you all but Lee's destiny is yet to be unknown and you guys comment like if he is really going to die, the end is totally obscure and unbeknown so nobody has the ability to say something which is really gonna happen but who knows, but keep in mind the end is still ambiguous. We hope the best for Lee!

    The fact he didn't feel it doesn't mean anything, really. If the walker's bite, scratch, or whatever was enough to hurt Lee and draw his blood, it means it got into his bloodstream. And if it is inside his body, it means he's got an infection, and if there's anything that the comics have taught me, is that the infection contracted from being hurt by a walker is 100% lethal. Honestly, I'd be disappointed if Lee somehow miraculously managed to stay alive after being hurt by a walker. I don't want him to die either, but it was set when TTG decided he was getting bit. Sorry, but that's just the way it is on the The Walking Dead.
  • edited October 2012
    Is this 'wishful' thinking still going on? I thought it was made clear that it was a bite...
  • edited October 2012
    Seeing how the walking dead has gone thus far I dont even rule out the possibility of lee eating clem lol
  • edited October 2012
    no dont watch it. close your eyes and listen (iv watched ep 4 6 times on stream) "whos blood is that?!" - krista ..."its mine" -lee if it was skin only there would be no blood. sadly lee will turn, and should have taken Vernon up on his offer.
  • edited October 2012
    Lee was bit at the end of the episode to give people time to prepare for his death. When the next episode comes around, people will be ready to experience the story instead of just reacting to his death.

    It's a good move. Killing Lee without sufficient groundwork would make people mad. This is better writing than than the murder/zombie/suicide in episode 3. Lee's death will be meaningful instead of manipulative or shocking. Going into the last episode, players know they need to get Clem back, look to Lee's companions to decide who should be Clem's next guardian, and prepare for Lee's sacrifice.

    Telltale is using the delay between episodes to make the story better by preparing players.
  • edited October 2012
    I just want Lee to survive...somehow. I want to see his development with Clem after she finds out her parents are dead. Plus, Dave is a great voice actor.
  • edited October 2012
    Scratches don't kill in the comics, AFAIK, you'd need saliva to transmit the bacteria, but yep, he's dead.

    @Viser, Whitta was quoting what Lee says to Clem in the classroom when she asks you if the world will ever get better and she wants to hope it will.
  • edited October 2012
    man some of yall are fucking assholes, acting like it's against the law to be optimistic or some shit

    Optimism is pointless when faced with The Walking Dead, being a pessimist is the only way to protect yourself in this franchise.
  • edited October 2012
    Optimism is pointless when faced with The Walking Dead, being a pessimist is the only way to protect yourself in this franchise.

    what about my little sweat pea clem
  • edited October 2012
    what about my little sweat pea clem

    Shes going to die.
  • edited October 2012
    I dont think tt would just write the game where Lee doesnt know if he got bit or scratched, so no there is zero chance your theory is right however.
  • edited October 2012
    what about my little sweat pea clem
    I'd give her half a year at best.:cool:
  • edited October 2012
    I'd give her half a year at best.:cool:

    NOOOOOOOOOO!!! but i cant wait to go taken on the guy who stole clem
    "Choose your words wisely"
    "I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you."
  • edited October 2012
    i got an idea for season two tell me how it is on the thread boredom kills
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