Who Do You Think Is A Better Leader
I Just wanna ask every one who do you think is a better leader in the walking dead series?(Sorry if i dont get them all)
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Rick- Are you talking about tv Rick or comic Rick? The comic Rick has grown into a scared man that's afraid to do anything. Surprised he's still alive. Hell, his own kid is shaping up to be a better leader than he is. Tv Rick is great, but he still has his own faults.
Shane- Really? This guy seems like he would eventually kill off everyone in the group if it means to have Carl and Lori all to himself.
Kenny- Guy is cool, but we'd be screwed.
Lilly- Lilly was a great leader apart from blatant group relations. I didn't like how she handled the food rations, but I admired her perseverance.
Shane was going to get everyone killed waiting outside Atlanta for a rescue that would never come.
Lee is player controlled. In some games he'd be a rgeat leader, and in others he would get everyone killed.
Kenny can think on his feet, but for long term survival he would be useless.
Lilly fails to inspire confidence and keep up morale, although she's pretty good at longterm survival. The rationing was smart, if not the way she handled it.
Take him out of the equation (and I don't mean with a salt-lick) and I think she'd get the job done... as it was, all her choices were around him and his safety.
lilly sucks
They could have starved without her rationing you know...
Haven't seen Lee-tatorship yet, only lee-ocracy, so I can't cast a opinion on that.
I think they would have, its a definite for me.
Thanks I guess
Let's think about this guys, moving and moving and moving like Kenny wants to do, will that even work? As far as I can tell in the comics it didn't, Kenny is a valuable group member, but even though Lilly seems to have a entire different set of morals than I do, she still seems the better leader... thats my opinion.
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I don't consider Lee to be the group leader until Episode 4. Lilly might have been a Rick type leader if she hadn't broken down after her father died. Kenny was never a good leader, even before what happened to Kat and Duck. He was way too emotionally driven and only helps people who 100% agree with everything he says. Plus he has no plan whatsoever.
Lee might be a fantastic leader if it wasn't for the events of Episode 4, but I don't think we'll ever really get to know.
Rick hands down in the end.
Not only has he kept several people alive for nearly two years since the start of the outbreak, but he's also kept his son alive and for the most part safe for this long.
*clap*
Otherwise she was very understanding and was willing to discuss things, even if she disagreed with you.
When she left I was disillusioned, I knew the group was broken at that point.
What comic book have you been reading?
If by a "scared man that's afraid to do anything" you mean he didn't do anything when Glenn was murdered and then was afraid of the unknown potential the Saviors had? It's a little different when you've only got a handful of people against potentially 50+ armed men that are willing to literally beat your brains out just to grin. Yet, Rick is still having someone tail the Savior they captured, proving he isn't going to just be a submissive goon to Negan.
Honestly I don't know what comic you've been reading. It's not the same one I have been.
Lee is hard to judge due to him being player controlled. We not only choose his decisions based on our own personal knowledge, but we do it in the comfort of our own home behind a computer. In real life, being surrounded by walkers, losing everyone you loved pre-appocalypse, barely ever having any decent food, and needing to constantly worry, i don't think many of us could really do for real what lee has done virtually using our more objective decisions to keep the group alive. And even with our decisions, he still lost basically everyone from the original group in only about 3-4 moths and is now bit.
Rick has kept not only his son alive for over 2 years, but also andrea, sophie, and up until recently, glenn. Maggie and michone have been kept alive for over a year too. Like rick has had some mental breakdowns, but i'd bet you most of us would too if put in such extreme situations. He's dealt with not only thousands of walkers, but bandits, rapists, cannibals, and a ton of really jaded and horrible murderers who abuse other survivors. Through all of it he gave people hope, and even proved to be able to keep the alexandria-safe-zone that has over 50 people safe from walkers by fighting them off constantly.
Compared to rick and everything he's accomplished (the prison, alexandria), what has lee done? Lee hasn't got a real plan, he's just going along with kenny's idea of getting to the water, and then what?
As for lily, i think she knew how to survive, and actually had a better idea than kenny. But she was way too abrasive and caused low morale.
Shane was absolutely selfish. He wasn't a leader in my eyes.
Kenny is fairly selfish too, but it's more that he would do anything for his family. His values were family first. Once he lost them he was a wreck. Personally i can't blame him for that. Rick had his moments too after losing lori and judith, but if you do stand by kenny constantly you get to see the better side of him - that he does stand by his friends just as closely as his family. Kenny isn't that great of a leader, but he is a fairly good man with many values that he holds onto. Basically, it is selfishness, but it's because he values his family and friends above everything, even if others must die to keep them alive. If you had to choose between your family members life and a large group of strangers, who would you really choose? For kenny it's his family 100% of the time. That makes him fairly emotionally driven, which can sometimes make a good leader, unless you're not in his "circle."
So yeah, in the end, I have to vote for Rick. He's not perfect, but no one really is.
Edit: Oh and Kenny REALLY pissed me off when he was wasted and didnt give a shit where Clem was.
Shane - jerkass, not going to argue.
Kenny - he was emotionally unstable, even before his family's death. I'm not saying he was a bad leader just because he gets pissed at god damn everything 3/4 of the times, but he didn't priorize the group, he just cared about his family. He did things that helped the group, sure, just because those things would help mainly his family, however. Kenny can be a really good friend, in not denying it; it just happens if you always agree with him, however, same with Lilly's warm side.
Lilly - she became mentally unstable right after Kenny did, Kenny (and some Lees) drove her insane. Lilly never got along with anyone in the group, she cared about survival, and hoped people would just understand her actions someday. Also, for everyone out there saying Lilly is just the Frozen-hearted queen... Lilly has a loving and caring side too, if you understand what she does. However, she still looks forward to protect the group even if you don't side 100% with her.
Rick - finally, Rick Grimes. He is probably the best leader, he has gone through a lot of shocking events that would have destroyed anyone *cough* Lilly and Kenny *cough*, and still gets to protect his group no matter what. Rick has managed to keep his group save for over a year and a half, they would have died in their camp outside of Atlanta if it wasn't for him. Rick has got all the characteristics of a good leader, that's why everyone feels safe around him.
My vote goes for Rick. Lilly could be in second place, Lee in the third place, and fourth, Kenny. Shane would never be a good leader.
lol true
Why isn't this an option?
With his new head, he'd stare down anybody
Lee is too hard to choose because we have been controlling him. And he wasn't really a leader until this past episode... even then, he managed to lose Clem more than once and then
Lilly may have been a good leader, if not for what happened later... she also is obviously misguided enough to trust the Governor. Not leader type anymore.
Rick all the way! He has kept most people alive for the longest amount of time. The only thing with him is I would have to make sure I could pull my own weight somehow without getting too involved with the affairs... Alexandria safe zone miscellaneous characters seem to have it pretty easy.
She had it harder with Kenny questioning her at every step, kind of like Rick and shane.. except Lilly kept her cool for longer.
Season 3 of the Walking Dead Rick is starting to get the picture what it means to survive, but he's still Rick, and overall a good leader. I wouldn't agree with everything he has done.
Shane is unfortunate because if it wasn't for Lori pulling on his heartstrings Shane would actually be a competent leader. Granted, he doesn't have much room for compassion other than those in the group but sometimes that is needed when your surviving not just from walkers but also the living. There were a few decisions he made that I actually agreed with, ones that contrasted Ricks decisions. I'll never forget Rick foolishly, yes, foolishly, helping that kid who had his leg trapped in a spike on some railings, only a few minutes ago he was shooting at his group. Not only did Rick create a bigger problem bringing him back, he ended up where he started which was leaving him for dead.
What would have Shane done? Probably would have put him out of his misery or left him there, which would have been the wiser choice.
It's just a shame that Lori selfishly got pregnant in a world full of walkers and didn't think about the consequences about that without finding a safer place first to raise any child.
I think Rick has grown up a bit. Shane always had a point, a valid point, that Rick couldn't make the hard decisions and compassion ruled his motto of surviving. Now with Season 3 kicking off, Rick might be making the hard decisions coming up later in the season. Although not always the smart ones.
Kenny wasn't a bad leader when he was cool headed, but he lacked the smarts and kept focused one one thing only: Getting on a boat... Without even examining any alternatives.
Lee is a backbencher, not a leader, don't think he has even come out as a leader yet. He still seems fine with letting the group make up its mind, I don't think he wants the responsibility so I wouldn't rely on him too much. But when it comes to it, he does make good decisions, depending on player input of course.
Lilly... Is a complete and utter loose cannon waiting to be lit. Even when you meet her the first time this is evident. Her role as group leader is loose and rather forceful. She seems to be lacking control, bit like Shane, and isn't afraid to make the hard decisions but is visibly shaky to be around with. I wouldn't regard her as a good leader, more of a compromise.
I like how after the brutal Lilly hate hit us, right after ep. 3, people grew to appreciate her more, especially now that they saw what an asshole the person they are stuck with is *cough* Kenny *cough*.
Rick and Lilly are both good leaders and they've both snapped. Lilly killed Carley/Doug, Rick
P.S The Governor is a great leader, even though an evil one.
I wouldn't say that. The inmate pulled a gun on Rick and was going to force the group out. Lilly kills Carley for mouthing off. One is an act of extreme survival, the other a major indication of an unstable mind.
Kenny cares about only with his family and is selfish.
Shane was a good leader for me, but he could not stand to lose Lori and Carl.
Lilly is WEAK, not endured the loss of his father and ... all saw the result.
I think comic Rick is fine
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That's exactly what Rick is actually.
He primaraly cares about his family, just coincedentally leading others.
The loss of Lori weakened him significantly, BUT he still has Carl to live for.
Lilly lost the only person she cared for. Apply some pressure, betreyal, and finally some provocation and almost anybody is bound to snap.
I mean look at the facts!He saved Clementine when Chuck ran away,made the tough decision to save Carley or Doug,AND SAVED THEM BOTH!!!He has no faults,he is completely flawless!