Lee's bite

edited October 2012 in The Walking Dead
Ok, this is not a "please don't kill Lee" post cause i think him magically surviving a bite would be a huge cop out.
But still.. that "bite" looks rather shallow, barely even broke through the skin.

I don't believe there's been a character in kirkman's apocaverse that has had this type of bite and died of said bite yet (correct me if i'm wrong), it's always a gaping wound or atleast a proper bite where the bacteria filled saliva can enter the bloodstream.

This however looks like he only grazed the walkers teeth, so it's highly likely that it won't even get infected.
And if it does could it not be surviveable? As far as i know Kirkman's zombiebites only lead to a infection which kill you.. and not supernaturally / virally turn you into a zombie.

So if it's just your run of the mill decomposing-corpse bacteria that kill you..
Wouldnt a healthy adult like Lee survive such a graze where he's barely touched by the bacteria.. hell it was even deep enough to enter a vein from the look of it.
He didnt even notice it untill after he killed the walker!

So isnt it possible.. even plausible that Lee wont even die from this and just go on to slowly walk/crawl away from zombies like the non-running anti-stereotypical badass he is?

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  • edited October 2012
    As far as I know, a bite like Lee's (which might only not look so bad because of the game's art style) or even a scratch has never been addressed in The Walking Dead universe. Although, I'm pretty sure a bite is a bite. The saliva transferred by a walker when they bite a human makes the virus 100% lethal, according to the rules of Kirkman's world.

    I have slim hopes of Lee surviving. I'm pretty sure he's a goner, but obviously I can't say for sure.
  • edited October 2012
    yea agree with the guy above but sometimes when you scratch with your teeth no saliva is transferred. However they could go with the lily thing and just not show us that lee died and leave it up to speculation make lee go M.I.A
  • edited October 2012
    Oh well, there is no virus or bacteria with 100% lethality out there, yet but on the other hand walkers are impossible, too. You can't stick to logic and science as we know it when you allow dead and decaying corpses to walk around and kill stuff. People could survive the bites depending on how strong their immune system is, if diseases work the same in the TWD universe, as they do here, however.

    If it's not a virus or a fungal disease, it's a bacteria and a bite/the infection could be treated with antibiotics, greatly enhancing the patient's chances of survival, then.
  • edited October 2012
    M.I.A ideas the best
  • edited October 2012
    shedim wrote: »
    Oh well, there is no virus or bacteria with 100% lethality out there, yet but on the other hand walkers are impossible, too. You can't stick to logic and science as we know it when you allow dead and decaying corpses to walk around and kill stuff. People could survive the bites depending on how strong their immune system is, if diseases work the same in the TWD universe, as they do here, however.

    If it's not a virus or a fungal disease, it's a bacteria and a bite/the infection could be treated with antibiotics, greatly enhancing the patient's chances of survival, then.

    And considering the fact that they just looted a fudgeton of meds.
  • edited October 2012
    Since I don't think we've ever seen someone with a bite quite like Lee's, it may take more time for the infection to overtake him. But in the end, the walker's teeth pierced his skin, he's infected, and he will die. But at least everyone else can still make it to safety.
  • edited October 2012
    Guessing the Title "NO TIME LEFT" of episode 5 ENDS your thread discussion (Lee is going to turn.... adds suspense you know so the story keeps rollin').
  • edited October 2012
    M.I.A ideas the best


    No way! I despise that open-ended ambiguity bullcrap!
  • edited October 2012
    AsariTears wrote: »
    No way! I despise that open-ended ambiguity bullcrap!
    its up to your imagination :3
  • edited October 2012
    its up to your imagination :3


    Exactly, I hate that. It shows a lack on the writer's part; in either creativity or lack of gall to follow through on a plotline. And from seeing what Gary wrote in Ep4... He's much better than that.

    Plus, I've experienced Mass Effect 3 this year. If I get anymore of that, I'll, well.. I'll just give up on gaming altogether.
  • edited October 2012
    AsariTears wrote: »
    Exactly, I hate that. It shows a lack on the writer's part; in either creativity or lack of gall to follow through on a plotline. And from seeing what Gary wrote in Ep4... He's much better than that.

    Plus, I've experienced Mass Effect 3 this year. If I get anymore of that, I'll, well.. I'll just give up on gaming altogether.

    they did give the endings but they should have done the indoctrin theory
  • edited October 2012
    they did give the endings but they should have done the indoctrin theory

    lol it still makes more sense than the literary interpretation.
  • edited October 2012
    I'm kind of leaning toward the fact that Lee will survive the bite in some way (not suggesting he'll survive the episode, though!)

    The thing that keeps lingering with me is Ben's affirmation that "It's not the bite that kills you" (A paraphrase of sorts) when his teacher dies and turns.

    Sure, we saw Duck turn, but that may also be due to the fact that he's a child and does not yet have a fully-developed immune system?

    Just some thoughts...
  • edited October 2012
    I don't know if he will really dies because of the bite. Probably it will be a heroic death. Nevertheless he is biten and will turn into a zombie if nobody kills him first. This is the golden rule in every real zombie story. bite = zombification, even the smallest scratch
  • edited October 2012
    Can I say whats up with this 100% lethal crap. Kirkman never put "if one tooth penertrates the skin then one shall die" people state it as fact. It isnt.
    Lee will probs die. But its annoying on multiple threads to see people making up this fact.
  • edited October 2012
    they did give the endings but they should have done the indoctrin theory

    That would have been just genius and people would have loved them for adopting that idea, but obviously they were too stupid to take advantage of that golden opportunity and sticked to their oh so artistic BS ending, instead.
    Mass Effect 3 is my by far biggest disappointment ever in my history as a gamer.

    Just have a look at kubismo at deviantart.com. His fanfiction ending is by far better than anything Bioware could come up with, ever. It's a shame they've been to arrogant to redo the ending.

    I'm convinced TWD is not going to end up well, but the ending will be decent, touching and well thought. However, there is no way Lee's going to survive Season 1.
  • edited October 2012
    I don't know if he will really dies because of the bite. Probably it will be a heroic death. Nevertheless he is biten and will turn into a zombie if nobody kills him first. This is the golden rule in every real zombie story. bite = zombification, even the smallest scratch


    It's no good using 'rules' from other stories. In TWD "it is not the bite that does it", as Ben said. Referring to turning you into a zombie, you can die any way that does not physically destroy the brain, and you will 'zombify'. Scratches (in the comic, as this is what the games consider canon) have not been dealt with. With the bite, saliva would be transferred directly to bloodstream, but because nothing else is touched on (yet) that is an assumption. Just as when they had only seen people die from bites, and come back as zombies, it was assumed it was the bite that turned you.
  • edited October 2012
    It's kinda inconsistent in the TWD zombieverse that a bite always kills you if you don't amputate. Kirkman says it's because of the infection with the saliva into the bloodstream.
    Yet in the comics one can deep-kiss a zombiegirl (without teeth) and nothing happens, though there are ALWAYS microscopic wounds inside one's mouth. You can even bathe in zombieblood/body-fluids and nothing happens, yet a fucking scratch kills you.
  • edited October 2012
    I'm pretty sure they made it a shallow bite specifically so they have some breathing room to decide if Lee's gonna turn into a Walker or not later on. If it was a huge gashing wound, well there wouldn't be much to wonder about there.
  • edited October 2012
    Isn't everybody all infected? So does it even matter? Or does getting bitten guarentee his death and set a limit on how long he is going to survive?
  • edited October 2012
    I'm pretty sure they made it a shallow bite specifically so they have some breathing room to decide if Lee's gonna turn into a Walker or not later on. If it was a huge gashing wound, well there wouldn't be much to wonder about there.

    Nah, if it was a huge gashing wound he wouldn't have time to save Clem.
  • edited October 2012
    Isn't everybody all infected? So does it even matter? Or does getting bitten guarentee his death and set a limit on how long he is going to survive?

    If you get bitten you die in a day or so.
  • edited October 2012
    Guys, the Walking Dead universe does NOT revolve around bites and scratches getting you infected. You already ARE infected. The bites and scratches only gets you into an immense fever which ends up killing your immune system. Then you come back because the infection was already inside of you.

    That's what Ben meant when he said, "It's not the bite that kills you." He really meant that it's not the bite that turns you into the Walkers.

    So yeah, Lee is going to have his immune system shut down in an immense fever as he dies from his lack of strength to keep going on. Remember, everyone is already infected and a bite or scratch guaruntees a DEATH, not an INFECTION.
  • edited October 2012
    Originally posted by Gamer at Heart:
    *Incoming wall of text*

    I've been looking the thing over a few times, and I think its a scratch, not a bite. First of all its was very quick, and when he 'bit' Lee his head went straight down. It's not possible to sink in deep enough and pull out downwards without taking a piece of flesh with you.

    Second, If you look closely, it doesn't quite look like a bite. Take for example the bottom of the 'bite'. There is no site of the mandible (Lower teeth). When something bites, the marks are the maxilla and the mandible. The bottom doesn't show lower mark of teeth, only 2 corners that's not teeth shape.

    Thirdly, the marks on the top is vertical, much scratch like.

    Fourthly, The top are 4 marks, which are the primary, middle, ring and pinky finger. On the side there is another mark, which is of the thumb. Most of the 'bite' is in a mouth like shape except that part. A mouth can't reach that far and even if a zombies mouth can there is not teeth there (And I'm pretty sure zombies don't grow extra teeth). Also if you look closely the zombie lunges at Lee with his right hand first. In slow-motion, you can see the blood splat before the zombies mouth reaches Lee, and instead the hand. And the right hand's thumb is on the left, the same side of the mark on Lee's 'bite'.

    Lastly, if you get bitten, I'm pretty sure you will fell the pain and immediantly look at the mark. Lee noticed he got 'bit' when his blood landed on Clem's hat.

    My theory: The zombie scratched him and it was merely skin deep. Because in his shock and fear he didn't notice the mark until he saw the blood. It is known that a person in shock, fear or extreme stress are less likely to feel mild pain. A skin deep scratch is very painful so in Lee's situations (Him being in shock of the zombie attack and his worry of Clem) it was very unlikely that he felt such minor pain. If it was a bite, he would obviously feel it no matter how much shock. I've been bitten by a dog and my annoying little stepbrother. Both were skin deep and it hurt like hell. When I was helping in the garden I got scratched while working with thorn bushes. I first noticed the bleeding dripped over my shoes. So that's my theory. I'll be honest, I've been very pessimistic, and a bit annoyed at people when they are like 'Telltale can surprise us, Lee may live!' but now I think Lee might actually survive. Unless you can get infected by a zombie scratch. I know it is like that in other zombie games and films, but it was never stated in TWD universe that a scratch can turn you, a bite yes, but not a scratch. *End Wall of Text*

    TL;DR: Lee was scratched, not bitten.
  • edited October 2012
    I think this proves he can survive
  • edited October 2012
    tadmod wrote: »
    I'm kind of leaning toward the fact that Lee will survive the bite in some way (not suggesting he'll survive the episode, though!)

    The thing that keeps lingering with me is Ben's affirmation that "It's not the bite that kills you" (A paraphrase of sorts) when his teacher dies and turns.

    Sure, we saw Duck turn, but that may also be due to the fact that he's a child and does not yet have a fully-developed immune system?

    Just some thoughts...

    yeah i agree with that, we all know that regardless of you are you have the virus in you and that if you do not kill the brain you are gonna comeback regardless of how you died.
  • edited October 2012
    Brilliant post ! and to be honest i was thinking the same thing it did not really look like a bite at all! I really could not tell if the blood was his or the zombies! and Scratches do not have the same weight as bite!

    @Urman-j
  • edited October 2012
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  • edited October 2012
    I questioned the bite too.. Lee just didnt react as if he'd just been bitten.

    it's either meant to make us wonder, or it was slightly poor animation imo!
  • edited October 2012
    WowMutt wrote: »
    I questioned the bite too.. Lee just didnt react as if he'd just been bitten.

    it's either meant to make us wonder, or it was slightly poor animation imo!

    if you reach for the walkie talkie it is pretty clear even before lee notices. but going for the wood board enacts the same bite even though it's from a completely different angle which is poor. they shouldve had 2 ways to get bitten (Like a gash on left wrist or one on the right! idk but all I know is that for sure its a bite and not a scratch and scratches are deadly too. Just wonder how long Batman can hold on;)
  • edited October 2012
    If he doesn't die of the bite or scratch or whatever, he may get shot and die and then comes back, but if it was a skin deep bite, then he would of reacted straight away, but he only noticed when he looked at his wrist which makes me think it was a scratch. I'm not sure if you can die from a scratch, but I bet he dies anyway from being shot if he doesn't die from the bite/scratch. I think Lee will turn no matter what, but I might be wrong.
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