I feel like I don't care that much for the final episode because Lee will end up dead anyway and that's quite a lame ending. I feel kinda similar to how I felt playing ME3...it was all a waste of time, since the ending is going to suck regardless of what you did before.
1. This line of reasoning baffles me now just as it did when ME3 fans whined about it. Yes, it looks like Lee is pretty much guaranteed a tragic fate. Are you seriously telling me that all tragedies are "lame?" Oedipus Rex? Hamlet? Macbeth? Heck, it's a zombie apocalypse story. You couldn't possibly have been expecting a bright, happy ending. ME3's ending was fine, and there's no reason to expect the the last episode of TWD will suck. There's plenty of great drama to explore in a character who knows he's doomed. Or to quote, The Lion in Winter:
"My you chivalric fool... as if the way one fell down mattered."
"When the fall is all there is, it matters."
2. Can we please stop with the ME comparisons? It's bad enough putting up with whiny Bioware fans constantly complaining when I go to forums that are actually about their games. If I start seeing petitions here for Telltale to release a new DLC ending where Lee survives, finds a cure to the zombie plague, and they all live happily ever after, I'm leaving. :rolleyes:
I think it was Rick Grimes who said, "WE are the Walking Dead!"
God, that part made me cringe. The worst line of the whole series. I had no problem catching on to Kirkman's clever double entendre in the title. I didn't really need to have the main character beat me over the head with it like a club.
It sucks Lee is probably gonna die but I still check PSN daily to see if EP 5 is out lol. I hope finale is twice as long as the rest of them 8). Probably just wishful thinking though.
the ending to episode 4 wouldnt have bothered me as much if episode 5 would be close by.
by time i play episode 5 i probably wont care that lee was bit
If Kenny dies, I WILL fucking cry my eyes out. I'm already crying because I have to tell Clementine I'm bit.
I'm worried TT will have him get wounded, and then we have to mercy kill him. That would devastate me almost as much as if Clem died. I would bawl my eyes out if that came to pass, in adition to haveing to tell Clem I'm dying.
God, that part made me cringe. The worst line of the whole series. I had no problem catching on to Kirkman's clever double entendre in the title. I didn't really need to have the main character beat me over the head with it like a club.
Walking Dead isn't really known for subtlety. They're literally fighting death.
Really though, I feel that the bite changes nothing aside from a shift in tone. Everyone plays a game anticipating a happy ending. In the few cases where there is not a happy resolution, they're shocked. What's the difference between playing to an inevitable neat wrap up where the princess is saved, Bowser thwarted and no plumbing gets done and an ending where everything dies and the world is a terrible place? Maybe this has nothing to do with inevitability and instead everything to do with certain people hating an unhappy denouement.
Walking Dead isn't really known for subtlety. They're literally fighting death.
Really though, I feel that the bite changes nothing aside from a shift in tone. Everyone plays a game anticipating a happy ending. In the few cases where there is not a happy resolution, they're shocked. What's the difference between playing to an inevitable neat wrap up where the princess is saved, Bowser thwarted and no plumbing gets done and an ending where everything dies and the world is a terrible place? Maybe this has nothing to do with inevitability and instead everything to do with certain people hating an unhappy denouement.
I agree with everything you posted, it appears to me a lot of people need clean endings that are all rainbows and cake. I myself got tired of the majority of books and movies that always had nice endings. I love those endings with a twist, not every hero lives in the end....just like real life.
I can't wait for Ep5, until I can play the rest of this journey out I'm in a limbo here. Oh and nice word "denouement"...I had to look that up, first time I ever saw that word in my life.
As soon as I started playing it in the police car in the first ever episode, I just knew Lee wasn't going to make it. And as for all those people saying he will make it is being stupid, the amputation has been left WAY too late, it would have to of been done immediately after being bitten. I think it's a bad ending too because it was way to predictable. I wasn't too shocked when he was bitten, I was more 'yay yay, I was right!!!' Lol, not really I was just sitting there with the game paused thinking 'crap, what's gonna happen now' I had always realised that Lee being killed off was always a possibility but I didn't really think about what would happen if he did get bitten. But I know what people mean when they say it was a lame ending because to be honest with you I feel the same way.
I can't wait for Ep5, until I can play the rest of this journey out I'm in a limbo here. Oh and nice word "denouement"...I had to look that up, first time I ever saw that word in my life.
It's a great word. Now everyone go write something!
Have they announced that each season will be its own story? There isn't 1 main character throughout, they are just going to give you a new main character each season?
I know Lee is most likely dead, unless they have something else to explain why he isn't going to die.
Have they announced that each season will be its own story? There isn't 1 main character throughout, they are just going to give you a new main character each season?
I know Lee is most likely dead, unless they have something else to explain why he isn't going to die.
seems pointless and boring to have to start each season with new characters
seems pointless and boring to have to start each season with new characters
Depends where we start off. Now if its new group starting from day one...Lame tho that would give the possibility for a semi crossover season seeing Lee's group and such. They should start where we left off that way we can continue the adventure of surviving with others in this crazy walker infested world
I would have assumed that they make it to the boat, that ends the season. Then season 2 is about whats next? Getting onto that boat doesn't save everything, it isn't a big enough boat to live on and how much fuel can you carry? They will have to find another area. Plus in the game guys made comments about how the boat plan is stupid. Vernon and Chuck both said how it wasn't a great plan and what are they going to do next?
I don't think I like the idea of starting a new story each season.
Depends where we start off. Now if its new group starting from day one...Lame tho that would give the possibility for a semi crossover season seeing Lee's group and such. They should start where we left off that way we can continue the adventure of surviving with others in this crazy walker infested world
actually the boring thing is starting from the beginning of the apocalypse each season
Honestly, if the story was going to go that Lee gets bit and dies, I think it's smart that Lee is bit in Ep 4. I'm glad I already know this, and I'm stoked for Ep 5.
It means that Ep 5 isn't going to end with a shock-value death without being much time handle it. But now there's a whole episode to handle it. And it will affect the way you play the game. It also shifts (or should shift) the focus from whether or not Lee is going to die--since he will--to how the story will end. It gets us past obsessing over that one detail and looking at the bigger picture.
Or at least it should, as apparently many people are still upset about that one detail! (No judgment here though. I love Lee)
Honestly, if the story was going to go that Lee gets bit and dies, I think it's smart that Lee is bit in Ep 4. I'm glad I already know this, and I'm stoked for Ep 5.
It means that Ep 5 isn't going to end with a shock-value death without being much time handle it. But now there's a whole episode to handle it. And it will affect the way you play the game. It also shifts (or should shift) the focus from whether or not Lee is going to die--since he will--to how the story will end. It gets us past obsessing over that one detail and looking at the bigger picture.
Or at least it should, as apparently many people are still upset about that one detail! (No judgment here though. I love Lee)
So at least a freaking MONTH is better time to handle a death that takes hours? I disagree.
So at least a freaking MONTH is better time to handle a death that takes hours? I disagree.
I meant that we can handle the situation in game, in a whole episode. There may be no way to change it, but at least we have some interaction with it as opposed to other games in which, say, the M.C. dies at the very end and you're left with a cut-scene.
I personally find that interesting. Obviously it disappoints other people and kills their enthusiasm. To each their own.
I meant that we can handle the situation in game, in a whole episode. There may be no way to change it, but at least we have some interaction with it as opposed to other games in which, say, the M.C. dies at the very end and you're left with a cut-scene.
I personally find that interesting. Obviously it disappoints other people and kills their enthusiasm. To each their own.
When you put it like that I agree.
I think they should have started off ep 5 with the bite. Start out with that surprise and tension. It would have been much better.
I think they should have started off ep 5 with the bite. Start out with that surprise and tension. It would have been much better.
For people who feel the bite is a cop out, do you think that would make it feel more or less so?
I felt that ep4 built to that point in some degree. Lee's guard was down since he was worried about Clem and so we have that consequence.
However, if it happened at the very beginning of ep 5, I would have been more likely to feel the sense of "they just did this because they don't know how to end it". But that's me.
Then again, it's all about how it would have been done.
I've been barely able to wait for all the previous episodes of TWD but now since Lee's one of the walking dead himself, I feel like I don't care that much for the final episode because Lee will end up dead anyway and that's quite a lame ending. I feel kinda similar to how I felt playing ME3...it was all a waste of time, since the ending is going to suck regardless of what you did before. I would have preferred Lee dieing in the finale depending on your choices rather than railroad him to death, but TTG thinks different, obviously. Let's hope TWD isn't going to be the 2nd highly anticipated game in 2012 that has a terribad ending.
Are you guys still looking forward to the finale, or do you have mixed feelings about it?
I definatetly know where you are coming from. I was in total shock when Lee was bit, however, I actually think this will be an awesome way to focus on what I feel is on of the main themes in TWD: WE are the walking dead. It has never been about when or how people die, but what they chose to do with the time they have left. Lee knowing he will die shifts the focus from merely surviving to doing everything he can to save Clem before his time is up. The cool thing is that this has been the point from the beginning and now the final episode will drive it home.
My heart sank when the bite was revealed. I was like, "oh... Lee's gonna die. " and then all my hopes of the group finding Clem and living happily ever after as some zombie ass-kicking vigilantes went straight out the window.
I think Episode 5 will be great. I'm gonna agree with the bite being the real downside. But seeing how Ben (Saved him) will prove himself, how Christa and Omid will cope with the you-know-what, how Kenny and/or the boat will work out, what Molly will do, what Vernon is up to, and of course what the deal is with this "Campman" guy is the real story.
I don't mind that they're killing Lee. But I would have liked it better had they waited to reveal the bite in the beginning of EP 5. I don't like already knowing he is going to die before I play.
That's kind of the point. You now now you have little time. ( No Time Left ) It'd be weird to see that Lee had no idea that he was bitten. This pumps up drama and decision making for the finale.
It was disappointing that it happened in ep 4 and not 5, but I still can't wait for the moment where it's revealed that Radioman was the Illusive Man from Mass Effect all along.
Obviously Lee isnt going to die, that would be the unexpected turn. That maybe somehow he is immune.
Anyone ever heard about a zombie universe where someone isnt immune?, there is always someone immune and ill bet you that my main man Lee here is.
Also its kinda odd, if you got bid in your arm like that, the smart thing would be instantly to take your belt off strap around you arm stop blood flow to stop contamination and then proceed to cut off the arm, thus you survive.
Just because you get bid, you arent instantly dead, the blood doesnt circulate that fast in our bodies.
Sure it sucks to loose and arm, but better loosing an arm than being dead.
I think Episode 5 will be great. I'm gonna agree with the bite being the real downside. But seeing how Ben (Saved him) will prove himself, how Christa and Omid will cope with the you-know-what, how Kenny and/or the boat will work out, what Molly will do, what Vernon is up to, and of course what the deal is with this "Campman" guy is the real story.
Just wondering, is the Campman the Walkie Talkie guy, and why is he called that now?
I don't know, but I just think that if Lee wasn't bit, he would live till the end, and have happy ending. The Walking Dead is a disgusting world and there is always going to be death. I really hate to see Lee get bit, and eventually die. But I think it just shows that anything can happen, especially to good characters like Lee and Carly. It's just my opinion, but it just shows nasty things can happy to good characters you already expect they will live till the end.
Lemme restore that hype for you with one simple thing.
Variations.
We all know Ep5 can start in 8 differnt ways. But have you thought of how that factors into the episode? People you choose to came with you are bound to die on the way there.. but what happens if i take one person and the rest staybehind? do they die too? what if i go alone? does my group die?
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1. This line of reasoning baffles me now just as it did when ME3 fans whined about it. Yes, it looks like Lee is pretty much guaranteed a tragic fate. Are you seriously telling me that all tragedies are "lame?" Oedipus Rex? Hamlet? Macbeth? Heck, it's a zombie apocalypse story. You couldn't possibly have been expecting a bright, happy ending. ME3's ending was fine, and there's no reason to expect the the last episode of TWD will suck. There's plenty of great drama to explore in a character who knows he's doomed. Or to quote, The Lion in Winter:
"My you chivalric fool... as if the way one fell down mattered."
"When the fall is all there is, it matters."
2. Can we please stop with the ME comparisons? It's bad enough putting up with whiny Bioware fans constantly complaining when I go to forums that are actually about their games. If I start seeing petitions here for Telltale to release a new DLC ending where Lee survives, finds a cure to the zombie plague, and they all live happily ever after, I'm leaving. :rolleyes:
God, that part made me cringe. The worst line of the whole series. I had no problem catching on to Kirkman's clever double entendre in the title. I didn't really need to have the main character beat me over the head with it like a club.
by time i play episode 5 i probably wont care that lee was bit
couldn't have said it better myself
I did respond to your point. Come up with a better example to prove your point and I'll give a more thoughtful response.
I'm worried TT will have him get wounded, and then we have to mercy kill him. That would devastate me almost as much as if Clem died. I would bawl my eyes out if that came to pass, in adition to haveing to tell Clem I'm dying.
Walking Dead isn't really known for subtlety. They're literally fighting death.
Really though, I feel that the bite changes nothing aside from a shift in tone. Everyone plays a game anticipating a happy ending. In the few cases where there is not a happy resolution, they're shocked. What's the difference between playing to an inevitable neat wrap up where the princess is saved, Bowser thwarted and no plumbing gets done and an ending where everything dies and the world is a terrible place? Maybe this has nothing to do with inevitability and instead everything to do with certain people hating an unhappy denouement.
I agree with everything you posted, it appears to me a lot of people need clean endings that are all rainbows and cake. I myself got tired of the majority of books and movies that always had nice endings. I love those endings with a twist, not every hero lives in the end....just like real life.
I can't wait for Ep5, until I can play the rest of this journey out I'm in a limbo here. Oh and nice word "denouement"...I had to look that up, first time I ever saw that word in my life.
It's a great word. Now everyone go write something!
I know Lee is most likely dead, unless they have something else to explain why he isn't going to die.
seems pointless and boring to have to start each season with new characters
Depends where we start off. Now if its new group starting from day one...Lame tho that would give the possibility for a semi crossover season seeing Lee's group and such. They should start where we left off that way we can continue the adventure of surviving with others in this crazy walker infested world
I don't think I like the idea of starting a new story each season.
actually the boring thing is starting from the beginning of the apocalypse each season
Seriously? I love that part.
It means that Ep 5 isn't going to end with a shock-value death without being much time handle it. But now there's a whole episode to handle it. And it will affect the way you play the game. It also shifts (or should shift) the focus from whether or not Lee is going to die--since he will--to how the story will end. It gets us past obsessing over that one detail and looking at the bigger picture.
Or at least it should, as apparently many people are still upset about that one detail! (No judgment here though. I love Lee)
So at least a freaking MONTH is better time to handle a death that takes hours? I disagree.
I meant that we can handle the situation in game, in a whole episode. There may be no way to change it, but at least we have some interaction with it as opposed to other games in which, say, the M.C. dies at the very end and you're left with a cut-scene.
I personally find that interesting. Obviously it disappoints other people and kills their enthusiasm. To each their own.
When you put it like that I agree.
I think they should have started off ep 5 with the bite. Start out with that surprise and tension. It would have been much better.
For people who feel the bite is a cop out, do you think that would make it feel more or less so?
I felt that ep4 built to that point in some degree. Lee's guard was down since he was worried about Clem and so we have that consequence.
However, if it happened at the very beginning of ep 5, I would have been more likely to feel the sense of "they just did this because they don't know how to end it". But that's me.
Then again, it's all about how it would have been done.
lol
I definatetly know where you are coming from. I was in total shock when Lee was bit, however, I actually think this will be an awesome way to focus on what I feel is on of the main themes in TWD: WE are the walking dead. It has never been about when or how people die, but what they chose to do with the time they have left. Lee knowing he will die shifts the focus from merely surviving to doing everything he can to save Clem before his time is up. The cool thing is that this has been the point from the beginning and now the final episode will drive it home.
That's kind of the point. You now now you have little time. ( No Time Left ) It'd be weird to see that Lee had no idea that he was bitten. This pumps up drama and decision making for the finale.
Anyone ever heard about a zombie universe where someone isnt immune?, there is always someone immune
Also its kinda odd, if you got bid in your arm like that, the smart thing would be instantly to take your belt off strap around you arm stop blood flow to stop contamination and then proceed to cut off the arm, thus you survive.
Just because you get bid, you arent instantly dead, the blood doesnt circulate that fast in our bodies.
Sure it sucks to loose and arm, but better loosing an arm than being dead.
Just wondering, is the Campman the Walkie Talkie guy, and why is he called that now?
Thanks
He's called the Campman just because that's what the Walking Dead Wiki now calls him.
Variations.
We all know Ep5 can start in 8 differnt ways. But have you thought of how that factors into the episode? People you choose to came with you are bound to die on the way there.. but what happens if i take one person and the rest staybehind? do they die too? what if i go alone? does my group die?