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Did you let Ben Drop?

fusedmassfusedmass Banned
edited October 2012 in The Walking Dead
I did. I mean he caused the deaths of like four people.

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  • trd84trd84
    edited October 2012
    no he didn't
  • Phoenix VIIPhoenix VII
    edited October 2012
    He was responsible for the deaths of Duck, Katjaa, Carley/Doug, Chuck, and Brie as well as giving me high blood pressure...seriously, like I said before, when the group was planning to raid Crawford I was desperate for the chance to tell Ben to stay behind since I knew he'd screw it up although I didn't expect it would be in such a stupid fashion. Dropped him without a second though, he gained some respect with me in the end since he seemed to understand what a disaster his presence has been, but in a ZA, I can't afford to take care of disasters.
    trd84 wrote: »
    no he didn't
    C'mon, even Ben himself knew he was.
  • trd84trd84
    edited October 2012
    Ben thinks he was but Lee had the bandits talked down and were going to leave after agreeing to another arrangement. Lily then shot at the bandits. That caused the motel to be attacked by bandits and walkers. Lily shot Doug/Carley. Kat killed herself. Chuck chose to stay behind and keep the walkers back from the group.

    Yeah he got Brie killed.
  • SkizokerSkizoker
    edited October 2012
    Dropped him like a bad habit.
  • Phoenix VIIPhoenix VII
    edited October 2012
    trd84 wrote: »
    Ben thinks he was but Lee had the bandits talked down and were going to leave after agreeing to another arrangement. Lily then shot at the bandits. That caused the motel to be attacked by bandits and walkers. Lily shot Doug/Carley. Kat killed herself. Chuck chose to stay behind and keep the walkers back from the group.
    And that whole mess could've been averted if Ben didn't let the bandits walk into the motel without warning and told everyone how the bandits pushed that deal onto him ASAP like any member of a group should. Kat killed herself because Duck got bit which happened because Lee's group was fighting a battle without the wall to protect them thanks to Ben. Lilly shot Carley/Doug because learning of a traitor within her group sent her already unstable mind off the deep-end. Chuck wouldn't even have had to fight those walkers if Ben simply grabbed Clem's hand before running. Ultimately, every death the group suffers in Ep. 3 and 4 minus Lee can be traced back to Ben.
  • Eric NorthmanEric Northman
    edited October 2012
    fusedmass wrote: »
    I did. I mean he caused the deaths of like four people.

    Only in my Kenny's BFF save slot.
  • trd84trd84
    edited October 2012
    Phoenix VII wrote: »
    And that whole mess could've been averted if Ben didn't let the bandits walk into the motel without warning and told everyone how the bandits pushed that deal onto him ASAP like any member of a group should. Kat killed herself because Duck got bit which happened because Lee's group was fighting a battle without the wall to protect them thanks to Ben. Lilly shot Carley/Doug because learning of a traitor within her group sent her already unstable mind off the deep-end. Chuck wouldn't even have had to fight those walkers if Ben simply grabbed Clem's hand before running. Ultimately, every death the group suffers in Ep. 3 and 4 minus Lee can be traced back to Ben.

    If lily didn't lose her cool the bandits would have left without incident.
  • Eric NorthmanEric Northman
    edited October 2012
    You know in a way Ben was protecting the entire group, the bandits wouldn't have let the group survive without getting something from them to "pay" for that safety (kind of like the maffia collecting protection money in exchange for not torching your business and beating the shit out of you). The only mistake he made was in not telling the group about the arrangement in the first place.
  • Phoenix VIIPhoenix VII
    edited October 2012
    trd84 wrote: »
    If lily didn't lose her cool the bandits would have left without incident.
    Meh, I'd give her half the blame at most, the whole incident happened suddenly, she was probably acting on adrenaline, and probably never even thought it possible that Lee could de-escalate things by talking. But, yes, her shooting the bandit was a bad decision.
    Eric Northman wrote: »
    The only mistake he made was in not telling the group about the arrangement in the first place.
    Sad thing about ZAs is that even one mistake can cause an epic screw-up, in fact that's the thing that scares me most about Disaster Ben...trying to do a secret deal leads to 3 deaths, Lilly going off the deep-end, Kenny losing his family, and Lee's group losing all the food and supplies that they left at the motel; running without grabbing Clem's hand leads to Chuck's death; grabbing the hatchet from the door leads to Brie's death and could've easily enough resulted in the death of the entire group. Ben makes the simplest mistakes but they always result in catastrophe, and that's why he scared me more than the walkers, St. Johns, and radio-dude.
  • ZeruisZeruis
    edited October 2012
    I didn't drop him. Seems like he learned his lesson when he begged Lee to drop him. Maybe he'll become more useful in episode 5, who knows? I'm really anxious to see the whole Kenny/Ben drama play out more.
  • Eric NorthmanEric Northman
    edited October 2012
    Phoenix VII wrote: »
    fact that's the thing that scares me most about Disaster Ben...trying to do a secret deal leads to 3 deaths, Lilly going off the deep-end, Kenny losing his family, and Lee's group losing all the food and supplies that they left at the motel; running without grabbing Clem's hand leads to Chuck's death; grabbing the hatchet from the door leads to Brie's death and could've easily enough resulted in the death of the entire group.

    Yeah, he isn't well suited to this dark and frightening new world.
  • Kiel555Kiel555
    edited October 2012
    In my game I didn't drop Ben so much as I didn't kill the walker that grabbed Ben. For all the reasons that Phoenix VII listed I decided that I would let Ben die at the first opportunity and not shooting the walker that grabbed Ben was the first opportunity.

    I sometimes wonder if TTG was testing us to see if we had the stones to remove such an obvious threat to the group or not. I'm not sure what else TTG could have done to convince the player that Ben needed to go away. I thought for sure that when Ben left Clem to die that a blind man could see Ben's time with the group was up. Then Charles died, then Brie, then Ben begs you to let him die...
  • That1GuyThat1Guy
    edited October 2012
    I pulled that derp back up. And I don't think he really caused all those deaths: Carley was the one that called a crazy person a bitch, Katjaa didn't run to the RV fast so Duck was bitten, Katjaa killed herself, Chuck's death, even though it kinda was Ben's fault, was more caused by the fact that Molly rang the bell. The only deaths I actually agree he caused are Brie's and Doug's.
  • gameaddictwngameaddictwn
    edited October 2012
    Why would I drop potential zombie bait for when I face Radio man?
  • CooperalCooperal
    edited October 2012
    I really wanted to. I didn't. I hate myself. ;_;
  • raptorraptor
    edited October 2012
    I didn't drop him. I'll not allow him to redeem himself that easily. He needs to live and suffer through the consequences of his actions.
  • SmithianSmithian
    edited October 2012
    raptor wrote: »
    I didn't drop him. I'll not allow him to redeem himself that easily. He needs to live and suffer through the consequences of his actions.

    Sad part his, you might suffer the consequences of your own actions by saving him. I feel letting him do something heroic in episode 5 would be a slight cop out for saving him. Normally the right decision is the hardest one to make. To me, letting him drop and die was the right decision, you've probably saved x number of lives by letting Ben go.
  • ViserViser
    edited October 2012
    Smithian wrote: »
    Sad part his, you might suffer the consequences of your own actions by saving him. I feel letting him do something heroic in episode 5 would be a slight cop out for saving him. Normally the right decision is the hardest one to make. To me, letting him drop and die was the right decision, you've probably saved x number of lives by letting Ben go.

    Thing is, there is no 'right' decision. You had your reasons for dropping him, but just because other people saved him doesn't mean he can't do something heroic in the episode. Personally, I'm not expecting him to do something heroic, I'm just expecting him to do something... right, y'know, like, not messing up again. I feel it would be a let down if he didn't do anything useful because it really seems like he's changed by the end of episode 4, as if he actually learned something valuable from everything that's happened to him. But I don't know, really. So far, Ben is one of my favorites, and I just hope he keeps it up. He's the teenager who has the heart in the right place but keeps making wrong decisions, and in the end I hope he grows up mentally.
  • TheShooterTheShooter
    edited October 2012
    FIRST I wanna add something, Ben killed many people and saved many people at the same time, remember when ben said that people turn into walkers no matter how they died?? If kenny didn't hear that he wouldn't know that Larry will turn out soon at that meat locker, If Larry turned, Lee, Kenny, Lilly and Clem will all be eaten !!! Then nobody will save either Katja or Duck.
    Now I am gonna show you the list of people who died because of Ben :
    -Larry
    -Carely
    -Duck
    -Katja
    -Chuck
    annnnnd Brie, till now...

    Its true that Ben did a disaster, but he is still a teenager! You know how teenagers behave !!! But he didn't deserve to be dropped.

    If I were Lee, I will sit with Ben one day and teach him how to be a good helper or a savior.
  • WowMuttWowMutt
    edited October 2012
    Ben (The Walking Dead) you really hate Ben don't you?


    WowMutt: not at all..Like my origional post said, it's not personal, it's survival. I think letting Ben die is a waste of manpower. The loss of a guard/lookout. He could have been useful.. But, I cannot ignore what he's caused and risk letting him make more mistakes risking the rest of us.. again!!


    Ben (The Walking Dead) *cough*Crawford*cough*


    WowMutt: hehe you're kinda right.. In my playthrough's I've seen myself on the boarder-line with the Bandits and Crawford. I think both groups have taken an extreme stance during all this, but I understand it! I'm not trying to argue or convince anyone that I know what i'm talking about.. Just stating my thoughts and reasons for the decisions i've made. Now Larry I hated. If you think back on EP1 where Lee risk's his life getting his pill's, had to put down his own brother. All to save the life of a man who then punches Lee, leaving him for the walkers. That was partially payback, but also survival.. He tried to kill Lee once, I wasnt going to allow him a second try. Ben never intentionally attacked anyone, granted, but his actions killed more of our group than Larry.
  • MoragamiMoragami
    edited October 2012
    My wife couldn't decide in time (in this playthrough, she gets to choose). So she let him drop. :eek:

    In my playthrough, I will save him, because my Lee is unambiguously good. It will be interesting to see what role Ben plays (and doesn't play) in episode 5. It wasn't like the Doug vs Carley choice, so there may actually be a different outcome as a result of what you chose.
  • WowMuttWowMutt
    edited October 2012
    Moragami wrote: »
    My wife couldn't decide in time (in this playthrough, she gets to choose). So she let him drop. :eek:

    In my playthrough, I will save him, because my Lee is unambiguously good. It will be interesting to see what role Ben plays (and doesn't play) in episode 5. It wasn't like the Doug vs Carley choice, so there may actually be a different outcome as a result of what you chose.

    Is a good point in not knowing what will happen regardless of what we chose as Ben's fate.

    Possibility 1: Ben is alive and finds/saves Clem. Maybe he saves everyone, even sacrifices himself for the group.

    Possibility 2: Ben is dead, he fell, shattering his leg's and the walkers feast upon him.. While Lee (possibly others) are searching for Clem, we find a zombified Ben who could bite Clem, or somehow kill others of the group.

    Either way, regardless of which choice people made, I believe we're not done with Ben yet!
  • DemopanDemopan
    edited October 2012
    Enough people are dead, assholes. I don't care who killed who and who wants to die, no one is getting offed if I can help it.
  • pdlbeanpdlbean
    edited October 2012
    I let him drop because I honestly thought he was dead either way. I figured I was giving him the heroic death by allowing him to do something for the good of the group for once. I didn't do it because I hated him, even though I was plenty mad at him. I did it because I wanted to give him a chance to do something selfless. I didn't realize that if I pulled him up he would live, since with every other death in the game (save for the timing of Doug/Carley's death) it happens no matter what you do. If I had known that he would have lived to see another episode, I might have done it differently.
  • StreetsAhead24StreetsAhead24
    edited October 2012
    I didn't and not because I'm pro-Ben, I hate his guts. Morally I just didn't think it was right to kill someone when you have the opportunity to save a life, it just seemed cold-blooded. He redeemed himself in the end though but i still detest him.

    Lee saved him in the motel and in episode 4 he acted like a whiny, snarky brat in episode 4 when talking to Lee. He also loses points for leaving Clem to be walker bait. He's the first video game character who I actually felt pure unadulterated resentment for
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