Ben and the 66ers

edited November 2012 in The Walking Dead
Oh, come on. 66% of you saved Ben. Really???

I think it was the most satisfying part of this game watching that zombie hanging from the bell drag scrawny Ben to his death.

Ya, I was thinking about letting the kid redeem himself for all of the dumb things he'd done. Riiiiight until he removed that hatchet that was holding the door closed. Then it was, "Kid, you're dead, first chance we get."

Don't worry, I told Clementine that I did all I could for Ben. (All I could do to savor the moment that is.)
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  • edited October 2012
    Like I feel for any human, I couldn't just let someone die I knew I could help, even if they did deserve it. At least with Ben we know he is loyal to our group, including the bandit situation, because he had the groups best interest in mind when he made that deal. Finding someone loyal in these times are tough, heck I would expect him to betray me as much as I would expect Kenny, Christa, or Omid to end up siding with the Radio Man. The group that I have right now is pretty solid, and allowing for a kid to fully redeem himself sounds justified.
  • edited October 2012
    I'm not a kid murderer, so I let him live. And he said he was going to be help in Episode 5, and I think he will be to redeem himself.
  • edited October 2012
    Oh, come on. 66% of you saved Ben. Really???

    I think it was the most satisfying part of this game watching that zombie hanging from the bell drag scrawny Ben to his death.

    Ya, I was thinking about letting the kid redeem himself for all of the dumb things he'd done. Riiiiight until he removed that hatchet that was holding the door closed. Then it was, "Kid, you're dead, first chance we get."

    Don't worry, I told Clementine that I did all I could for Ben. (All I could do to savor the moment that is.)

    Well when GZ with you big lie to Clem.. Good Job!
  • edited October 2012
    the thing is:
    in a zombie apocalypse would you really kill people instead of the dead?
    the dead don't go anywhere, the die once, resurrect and comeback as the dead.
    killing people makes you more alone in a world like that.
  • edited October 2012
    I pressed the wrong button and he fell, I really didn't like some of his decisions within the group, but he didn't deserve to die, I felt like shit after I killed him, I panicked and pressed the wrong button because I was shaking so much. He is a bit stupid and dumb, and as for leaving Clementine in the middle of all those zombies when you arrive in Savannah, I never really forgave him for that, but he is a teenager, and at that age, you make hard and fast decisions without thinking. I am playing without replays because I want to have to live with my decisions. I do agree that his decisions are bad and pulling the hatchet from the door was another stupid thing he did, because surely he would of seen the zombies swarming outside the door. I don't think that Ben was to blame when he started supplying the bandits with the food etc, because it was in the best interest of the group, he wanted them to lay off but when they didn't receive the supply's he left outside the motor inn, they got aggressive he never meant to get those people killed, I still hate him for that, because let's face it, he should of shown some balls and spoke up, but his cowardice led to her death no matter how you look at it, Lilly had, had enough of Carley and she didn't like her from the start, so she jumped to conclusions and killed her.

    People will disagree with this but he did cause the deaths of loads of people! And he admitted it was his fault for Carley's death because on the train he said it was him who was giving the bandits all the supplies and he said he should of said something (or along those lines) and he indirectly caused the deaths of Duck and Katjaa, although, Katjaa took too long to run across the parking lot to the RV so in a way it was her fault for taking so long and by being so slow she got Duck bitten.
  • edited October 2012
    TWDFTW wrote: »
    I pressed the wrong button and he fell, I really didn't like some of his decisions within the group, but he didn't deserve to die, I felt like shit after I killed him, I panicked and pressed the wrong button because I was shaking so much. He is a bit stupid and dumb, and as for leaving Clementine in the middle of all those zombies when you arrive in Savannah, I never really forgave him for that, but he is a teenager, and at that age, you make hard and fast decisions without thinking. I am playing without replays because I want to have to live with my decisions. I do agree that his decisions are bad and pulling the hatchet from the door was another stupid thing he did, because surely he would of seen the zombies swarming outside the door. I don't think that Ben was to blame when he started supplying the bandits with the food etc, because it was in the best interest of the group, he wanted them to lay off but when they didn't receive the supply's he left outside the motor inn, they got aggressive he never meant to get those people killed, I still hate him for that, because let's face it, he should of shown some balls and spoke up, but his cowardice led to her death no matter how you look at it, Lilly had, had enough of Carley and she didn't like her from the start, so she jumped to conclusions and killed her.

    People will disagree with this but he did cause the deaths of loads of people! And he admitted it was his fault for Carley's death because on the train he said it was him who was giving the bandits all the supplies and he said he should of said something (or along those lines) and he indirectly caused the deaths of Duck and Katjaa, although, Katjaa took too long to run across the parking lot to the RV so in a way it was her fault for taking so long and by being so slow she got Duck bitten.

    he wanted to be let go, he wanted to fall to his death.
    he has BALLLZZZ OF STEEL
  • edited October 2012
    he wanted to be let go, he wanted to fall to his death.
    he has BALLLZZZ OF STEEL

    Yeah, he had in this situation, but some of the other times, he was a complete weak minded fool. And then when he fell, he started shouting Lee help, if he was that bullsey he would of faced the facts that he was dropped XD I don't really know how to look at it, he was strong in the final scene (if you dropped him) but other times he reacted like a bumbling fool. It is down to opinion and it is very difficult to judge, but if you dropped him you would have reasons behind it, and if you didn't then you will have reasons for it as well.
  • edited October 2012
    TWDFTW wrote: »
    Yeah, he had in this situation, but some of the other times, he was a complete weak minded fool. And then when he fell, he started shouting Lee help, if he was that bullsey he would of faced the facts that he was dropped XD I don't really know how to look at it, he was strong in the final scene (if you dropped him) but other times he reacted like a bumbling fool. It is down to opinion and it is very difficult to judge, but if you dropped him you would have reasons behind it, and if you didn't then you will have reasons for it as well.

    anyone, even the most suicidal people would be scared to fall to your death
  • edited October 2012
    anyone, even the most suicidal people would be scared to fall to your death

    Yeah, like in doctor who (if your American there is a good chance you haven't watched it) but Amy and Rory (two of the characters) have to die to save the world I guess you could say, so they jump off of this tall building, they wanted to save humanity but were extremely scared, and they held onto each other as they fell which was really sad. Sorry, but I was just relating to what you just said XD. Ben was a good character but I think some of his unintentional actions cost a few lives which I would of rather he hadn't of been so stupid, it made me laugh when he pulled the hatchet it out of the door letting loads of zombies in, but a bit angry because his stupidity was really starting to wear me thin.
  • edited October 2012
    I had to let him go, he caused too many problems for the group and is a liability. No one caused more deaths in the group than Ben and he never does what you ask anyways, so what is the point of having him in the group?
  • edited October 2012
    TWDfan1199 wrote: »
    I had to let him go, he caused too many problems for the group and is a liability. No one caused more deaths in the group than Ben and he never does what you ask anyways, so what is the point of having him in the group?

    I have to agree, I let him go by accident because I thought it would be better to have as many people on your side as you can, but I pressed the wrong button and he fell. But he does stupid things like pulling the hatchet out of the door when it was clearly there for a purpose, and he never listens like you said, he goes off and does whatever, and he even left Clementine in the middle of a group of zombies to save his own sorry ass, so I am glad that I pressed the wrong button now, after reading about everything he said and done, I'm no surprised people dropped him, and it's a bit stupid when people keep saying, 'killing a kid is wrong'

    Because:

    1) it's not real (so maybe cool it XD)
    2) Ben is just another idiot to provide for, and he clearly isn't grateful for anything that you do for him
    3) he is threatening your friendship with Kenny, and that was a tiny bit of a reason why he didn't come with me to find Clem, because he said I wasn't always on his side.

    Anyway, have a nice day everyone :)
  • edited October 2012
    TWDFTW wrote: »
    Yeah, like in doctor who (if your American there is a good chance you haven't watched it) but Amy and Rory (two of the characters) have to die to save the world I guess you could say, so they jump off of this tall building, they wanted to save humanity but were extremely scared, and they held onto each other as they fell which was really sad. Sorry, but I was just relating to what you just said XD. Ben was a good character but I think some of his unintentional actions cost a few lives which I would of rather he hadn't of been so stupid, it made me laugh when he pulled the hatchet it out of the door letting loads of zombies in, but a bit angry because his stupidity was really starting to wear me thin.

    I got to find that movie.
    Ben is like 17 or something, being a teen for most people is really frustrating and teens can be really stupid mostly.
    that's how teens are.
  • edited October 2012
    I got to find that movie.
    Ben is like 17 or something, being a teen for most people is really frustrating and teens can be really stupid mostly.
    that's how teens are.

    Yeah, his character is very authentically done to match a troubled teenager. Telltale have done a great job with Ben's character, making him really stand out as a shoot first ask questions later kind of guy, in this situation it isn't a good thing, but I am really sitting on the fence about Ben, he is really stupid and is really annoying but he is a teenager and the other side of me reaches out to him, he has lost all of his family, he lost his friend and his teacher and everyone he knew and was shoved into a group who he didn't know, which admittedly is better than being on your own, and from day one he was hated and was never really accepted into the group as such. But I am still so annoyed about some of his actions and decisions within the group!

    He doesn't actually shoot but its hypothetical :) I mean he just launches in and does stuff without question.

    Doctor who is a TV show, I am going to try and find the scene where they jump off the building right now.....


    http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=TT6mJU1B2uI found it, isn't great quality but its there. You can find it all over the Internet. But I found the jump scene for you :)
  • edited October 2012
    More like "Ben and the 44ers". Most of the people who let Ben fall to his death just didn't like him, YOU arethe sick guys killing people just because they're not your friends. I respect the guys who let him fall not because of revenge, however...
  • edited October 2012
    Ghositex wrote: »
    More like "Ben and the 44ers". Most of the people who let Ben fall to his death just didn't like him, YOU arethe sick guys killing people just because they're not your friends. I respect the guys who let him fall not because of revenge, however...

    Calm done it isn't real jeez!
  • edited October 2012
    Umm... How exactly am I uncalm? I just gave my opinion...
  • edited October 2012
    Ghositex wrote: »
    Umm... How exactly am I uncalm? I just gave my opinion...

    Going on about how the person who started this thread is sick or something XD don't worry I don't really care.
  • edited October 2012
    TWDFTW wrote: »
    Going on about how the person who started this thread is sick or something XD don't worry I don't really care.

    Heh, I'm calm as well and I completely agree that those people who feel happy as the walker pulls Ben down are sick :D
  • edited October 2012
    Viser wrote: »
    Heh, I'm calm as well and I completely agree that those people who feel happy as the walker pulls Ben down are sick :D

    I didn't feel happy when he fell, because I pressed the wrong button because I was shaking so much and panicking. I wish I had pulled him up and not been so stupid and shaky, and then I would of had an extra pair of hands. :(
  • edited October 2012
    Like I feel for any human, I couldn't just let someone die I knew I could help, even if they did deserve it. At least with Ben we know he is loyal to our group, including the bandit situation, because he had the groups best interest in mind when he made that deal. Finding someone loyal in these times are tough, heck I would expect him to betray me as much as I would expect Kenny, Christa, or Omid to end up siding with the Radio Man. The group that I have right now is pretty solid, and allowing for a kid to fully redeem himself sounds justified.

    Loyal?

    1.Doesnt tell you about the trade.
    2. Leaves Clem to die by the zombies, that couldve been you.

    I saved him because i could.
  • edited October 2012
    Ok, let's run through how all the events actually took place a little bit how I saw them. Maybe it'll change some perspectives a bit.

    - Ben was giving the bandits supplies so that they left the group alone.
    - Lilly found out that there was something wrong with the supply count.
    - Lee finds the supplies and takes them to Lilly.
    - The bandits, not getting their supplies, attacked.

    Yes, Ben should have told the group about the bandits and the supplies. But, if Lee had left the bag alone then the bandits would not have attacked that day. Lee and Lilly could have then taken turns to watch the grate for the person to put more supplies in the grate and confronted that person the next day with the entire group present.

    It was Lilly and Lee's fault for removing the bag of supplies. The bandits were also ready to make a deal until Lilly shot one in the head. If we had made one last deal we could have all piled up in the RV and left with everyone alive taking every last drop of supplies with us. Which could have changed everything there after. We could have left him behind instead of Lilly and he would have never had the opportunity to run away from Clem or pull the Axe out of the door.
  • edited October 2012
    I probably would've let him die if there was a choice between him and anyone else from the group.
  • edited October 2012
    I saved him instinctively because he'll be useful as a meat shield, letting him go was pointless.
  • edited October 2012
    Ninnuendo wrote: »
    I saved him instinctively because he'll be useful as a meat shield, letting him go was pointless.

    so he'll be a human shield

    lol
  • edited October 2012
    You guys be heartless, Ben has the potential to be very useful in Ep 5...

    ...

    ... As zombie bait :D
  • edited October 2012
    Viner16 wrote: »
    You guys be heartless, Ben has the potential to be very useful in Ep 5...

    ...

    ... As zombie bait :D

    Lol :)
  • edited October 2012
    We cant go around killing our own people and whatever else Ben is, he is one of us. Like Mark said, we have to stick together to survive.
  • edited October 2012
    GLaDOS wrote:
    We do what we must, because, we can.

    Do we need any more proof that revenge-dropping him to death was wrong :P
    Assuming the must-do is stick together to survive, of course.
  • edited October 2012
    As I stated before letting Ben die was the easy way out for this bastard. He has to suffer and live, if Doug deemed him worthy enough to jump infront of a bullet for this clown, he has to live.
  • edited October 2012
    I saved Ben because I could.

    Better luck next time, zombies.
  • edited October 2012
    Anyone that comes as close as Ben did to wiping out Lee's group at Crawford has to go. He caused a catastrophe at the motel, almost caused another in Crawford, and 5 people, 4 of them being group members, are dead due to his nonsense. I was biting my nails hoping for an option to leave Ben behind when the group was planning to raid Crawford, and in the next episode there'll be one less issue that I have to worry about.
  • edited October 2012
    Anyone that comes as close as Ben did to wiping out Lee's group at Crawford has to go. He caused a catastrophe at the motel, almost caused another in Crawford, and 5 people, 4 of them being group members, are dead due to his nonsense. I was biting my nails hoping for an option to leave Ben behind when the group was planning to raid Crawford, and in the next episode there'll be one less issue that I have to worry about.

    Exactly, I bet if Ben was the only one you left behind to look after the boat, he would of got locked out the house so made a campfire with the boat. He is such a dumbass, he deserved to die.
  • edited October 2012
    Anyone that comes as close as Ben did to wiping out Lee's group at Crawford has to go. He caused a catastrophe at the motel, almost caused another in Crawford, and 5 people, 4 of them being group members, are dead due to his nonsense. I was biting my nails hoping for an option to leave Ben behind when the group was planning to raid Crawford, and in the next episode there'll be one less issue that I have to worry about.

    Exactly, I bet if Ben was the only one you left behind to look after the boat, he would of got locked out the house so made a campfire with the boat cuz he was cold. He is such a dumbass, he deserved to die.
  • edited October 2012
    TWDFTW wrote: »
    Exactly, I bet if Ben was the only one you left behind to look after the boat, he would of got locked out the house so made a campfire with the boat. He is such a dumbass, he deserved to die.

    Hold on a second. You're actually saying that he deserved death? Jesus, he deserved a punishment, but not death itself. You're sick if you're willing to kill someone just because he's not truthsworthy. Some people let him go because he wanted to be left behind, but letting him fall to death just because you're mad at him is just plain murder.
  • edited October 2012
    Ghositex wrote: »
    Hold on a second. You're actually saying that he deserved death? Jesus, he deserved a punishment, but not death itself. You're sick if you're willing to kill someone just because he's not truthsworthy. Some people let him go because he wanted to be left behind, but letting him fall to death just because you're mad at him is just plain murder.

    Umm, it's not real, and plus it was my decision not yours.

    In real life I would of tried to save them but I doubt i would of been strong enough to anyway.

    I realise some of you guys like to think that it is real, but I don't. So please stop calling me sick and a murderer because it does not mean I am in real life and that was quite rude of you to say that when you do not even know me.
  • edited October 2012
    TWDFTW wrote: »
    Umm, it's not real, and plus it was my decision not yours.

    In real life I would of tried to save them but I doubt i would of been strong enough to anyway.

    I realise some of you guys like to think that it is real, but I don't. So please stop calling me sick and a murderer because it does not mean I am in real life and that was quite rude of you to say that when you do not even know me.

    If its not real... Why even bothering discussing about it? Because we discuss about what we would do in real life, if we were in Lee's place. I never called -you- a sick murderer, that was meant to the people who would kill Ben because they didn't like him in an actual ZA.
    Edit: apparently I did call you a sick murderer directly. I still meant the other people, anyway

    Anyhow, you're the one that started complaining about "the 66ers" like they saved Ben "in real life". You're pretty much arguing against yourself...
  • edited October 2012
    I'm a paragon of virtue.
  • edited October 2012
    2 cents: it isn't real. but the reasons for making decisions are, and they still reflect us.

    It doesn't necessarily mean we're sick bastards who should be put down, but it does shine light on our priorities.
  • edited October 2012
    Yeah man, when I kill digital characters in KotOR for darkside points it totally reflects who I am as a person irl. Or i'm playing a scripted game. You know, one or the other.
  • edited October 2012
    Ghositex wrote: »
    If its not real... Why even bothering discussing about it? Because we discuss about what we would do in real life, if we were in Lee's place. I never called -you- a sick murderer, that was meant to the people who would kill Ben because they didn't like him in an actual ZA.
    Edit: apparently I did call you a sick murderer directly. I still meant the other people, anyway

    Anyhow, you're the one that started complaining about "the 66ers" like they saved Ben "in real life". You're pretty much arguing against yourself...

    Okay, I see your side of the argument.

    This is the last comment I am going to write to you on this thread, and on the thread entirely...bye :)
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