Cross Statistic Analysis - Doug/Ben decision.
So far we know that 76% of the Misandrists, Traditionalists, Feminists, and Sex Crazed Primates chose Carley in Episode 1, and only 23% chose to save Doug.
What I would love to see is the breakdown of those that saved Doug, when he died in his scenario with Ben.
How many of the those that saved Doug, chose to pull Ben up in the Bell Tower. I think that would be an interesting dynamic to analyse the psychology behind that decision.
I saved Doug and pulled Ben up....how many others did the same?
What I would love to see is the breakdown of those that saved Doug, when he died in his scenario with Ben.
How many of the those that saved Doug, chose to pull Ben up in the Bell Tower. I think that would be an interesting dynamic to analyse the psychology behind that decision.
I saved Doug and pulled Ben up....how many others did the same?
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I dropped Ben because I pressed the wrong button, I wanted to pull him up, because I figured I could use an extra pair of hands and I wasn't going to give him the nobility just like that, he deserves to live and feel guilt. But I was shocked, panicking and I was shaking like shit, I pressed the wrong button and he fell, I was like 'nononoooo!!!!'
Same here. When I do my second playthrough I am saving Doug and letting Ben drop.
I dropped Ben for a number of reasons, that I have stated many times in other threads that I don't feel like typing them all up again, but suffice to say it was, in fact, NOT (gasp!) for revenge, or because I thought he was useless, or because I didn't like his dirty clothes.
bromance :eek:
just kidding
Ben seems to relate to teens.
teens can be stupid, annoying,and cheezy.
those are the things Ben IS.
he seems to be between 15 to 20.
his indirect killings was for stupidity, which all comes down to teen years.
Bromance with Doug? I've already got a sweet one going with Kenny.
He didn't want to come along with me to find Clem though.
The scenario where Doug was shot was much more believable, it was in the heat of the moment, chaotic nature. Well because Doug was the better written character in the context of the narrative and how it all flowed together.
Moving on...
I chose to save Doug because I thought Carley was able to save herself at the time.
However, since I have realised that we had a choice, I still felt like Doug was best for the group's needs. He had technical knowledge nobody else presented. His conservative way of dealing with a situation (making a distracting noise elsewhere, using a laser pointer, using an alarm system) was pretty neat. Also, his body weight would be useful for holding down doors; and we already knew that he risks his life to save others. (Carley mentions this in a story and we see this characteristic again during the episode 3 argument.) As Larry had air force training, he would have known how to shoot targets just as well as Carley; and would have taught Lilly too. So shooting is covered, anyway.
I also saved Ben. He is a growing teenager and will make mistakes now and learn from them later. I imagine most teenagers during a zombie apocalypse will misjudge situations and solutions. Not necessary to kill every one of them. :P
I saved Carley and saved Ben. So... I don't know what you're talking about.
And I'm not sure what you mean by Doug getting killed is more believable than Carley's death. Doug stood out like a sore thumb - he didn't really belong to the group and he didn't add any insight to Lee's story. He was like Omid - placed there for comic relief.
Nevertheless, I liked both characters. However, I prefer the chemistry between Lee and Carley as opposed to Doug / Lee.
I saved Ben because it's the right thing to do. Simple as that.
Take a chill pill if your taking this game wayyyy too seriously. XD
I saved Carley because I felt she was more useful with her sharp aim. She also showed me loyalty early by not sharing her knowledge of my past to everyone.
I dropped ben because he literally asked for it. He realised he screwed up and caused unnecessary deaths. He felt he should at least make his own death worth something. I dropped him because I understood that wish and did not want to take it away from him. Don't forget: he already released himself from your arm, so he really was willing to let go himself already.
Ben secretly deals with the raiders, wont own up 'till its way too late, runs out on Clem, takes the axe out of the door handles, wont keep his guilty feelings to himself & then says drop me?
It's been real buddy.. see ya.
74.6 Carley 23.6 Doug
58.3 Kept Lilly 41.7 Left Lilly
66.6 Saved Ben 33.4 Dropped Ben
The stats themselves don't say much because you can't really break down the choices of the individual camps, however, despite the fact that Carley had the majority of support, the percentage of people that Kept Lilly around is a decent majority. Implying that they were all frothing at the mouth with blind rage is kind of misleading.
Also, fewer people dropped Ben than chose to leave Lilly behind, so it's fair to assume that people Blame Lilly for the death of Carley more than they blame Ben. So much for Misandry.
1. Sean was pinned under the tractor with no way to get it off, the walkers on Duck were obstructed by the fence, if Duck even fell off the tractor, he would have escaped them himself.
2. Doug was pinned against the wall, with no way to fight back, Carley had 1 walker on her foot, that could have been handled with a swift kick, she chose to stand there and die
3. Larry was dying and needed help, I revived him
4. Omid was hurt, Christa was fine, I helped Omid
5. Ben was going to die without being pulled up, I helped him up.
This is, actually a great post.
Honestly, my first reaction was to save Doug because I didn't realize Carley was out of ammo and would just shoot herself free. Then I was like :eek: rewind.
But then, retroactively, still saved him. Thought process: Doug already showed ingenuity in finding ways to survive with what's on hand (i.e. remote) while Carley couldn't even figure out how to put batteries in a radio properly. Carley was a good shot while Doug was pretty useless on the combat end. However, ammo runs out; ingenuity is always needed.
I saved Ben.
He effed up countless times but his intentions were, at least, valid.
The character I have wanted to blame/revenge kill is Kenny--not going to lie. His stubbornness has gotten more people killed pointlessly than anyone else--the Ben choice included. Lilly would have fallen here too, if she wasn't already gone by this point.
I also saved Ben.
Ok NeonBlade . It seems you have a huge grudge against people who saved Carley and Carley fans . I understand that you like Doug and all but you take this thing WAY TOO SERIOUSLY .
We are human , we are people just like you . Just because you like a character , you can't judge a person because of his decisions .
You don't know these people so you don't have a right to flat out insult people who saved Carley . Not everybody is going to make the same decision as you did because we have opinions .
I saved Carley because she was trustworthy , she always saves Lee and she trusts him despite him being a criminal . By calling the people who saved Carley like me sex crazed primates it just proves that you don't respect people who do different choices than you . If you would ever meet the people who saved Carley in real life , i bet you wouldn't have the courage to call them those names . Your decisions and opinions are not higher than mine so don't insult people ok . You never see me or anyone on this forum insult people who do different choices than me .
So please NeonBlade , leave the people who saved Carley and Carley fans alone .
My way of thinking was that anyone can be taught to use a gun while having knowledge of tech is only known by a few. So i saved Doug (still a tough decision though). Plus I saved Ben (always liked him for some reason)
Oh and I agree with others stop hating on decisions, disagreement is fine but there are many logical arguments for saving Carley or Doug; no reason to dismiss one of the other
Yay there's someone out there with sense. God i hate the Carley vs Doug wars. Some people get really pathetic about it.
Well check out the " Doug or Carley " threads because those are pretty much a " Doug vs Carley " wars .
Exactly. It's quite weird to see arguments between fans of characters who liked each other in universe!
I saved Doug, and I saved Ben, too.
"Where is Clementine??"
"I have no idea at all!!!!! Chill dude!!!! I dont know where she is!!!!"
"It's okay, Ben. I just want to find Clem."
"Oh! Well in that case I saw her go into the backyard!"
Gr...... I truly believe that Ben was meant to die in the bell tower. The bell tomes for thee...
This.