The Walkie-Talkie Problem

edited November 2012 in The Walking Dead
So after watching many lps and then finally purchasing the game and playing for myself, I still am wondering where radio guy got the walkie. I know there's some theories that well maybe he didn't need the EXACT one of the set of Clem's to get in contact with her, maybe he could just be on the same frequency.

Well, my friend made a good point. When Clem's mom calls the house at first she is trying to get in touch with the babysitter to tell her to get Clem out of town. But then she is specifically talking to Clem and I have to wonder why she didn't try to contact her daughter through the walkie-talkie which means that they probably lost it or somehow left it behind with all the madness in Savannah/the hospital. Maybe radio guy found it because he heard someone's voice coming out of it (through her pretend talks) and decided to find out about who's on the other end. Maybe it is a very lonely guy who, after talking with Clem, realized he knew Lee or something about him? :confused:

Anyway I can't wait til we finally have some answers!!

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  • edited October 2012
    It can't be the same walkie, unless there are three.

    Because at the beginning there are two, not one: the one that Clem has in the treehouse and the one that Lee picks up from the kitchen drawer. I always assumed the one Lee had is the one that was her parents'. It makes sense. When Clem said that her parents would talk to her with the walkie, I always assumed this meant that they would talk to her from the house while she was in the treehouse.

    Besides, I think it's been said before that Glenn has the other. Doesn't Clem say that herself in Ep 1? I can't remember.
  • edited October 2012
    Pull at all of the strings and your sweater will fall apart. It's fiction, just try to enjoy it, and be happy the plot holes aren't too large.
  • edited October 2012
    Save lots
  • edited October 2012
    There are three walkie talkies because Lee got one from the draw, Clem had one and she said her parents took one to Savannah and she said that they couldn't contact Clem on the walkie talkie because it was too far of a distance but it means something to her, so good point but I'm not sure what will happen. Tell your friend they have good logic :)
  • edited October 2012
    a walkie talkie is a portable radio transmitter.

    thus meaning a desktop version aka NOT PORTABLE will also exist.

    powered by a generator or batteries or a crystal radio that doesn't need any power source. as it uses radio waves or something to create power..

    i'd assume crawford being so intent on surviving on their own would need some sort of communication device to keep an eye/ear out for other survivors who are suitable candidates for membership, to 'better their chances'

    people should think outside the box, a phone for example mobile/car/landline/satellite all connect with each other, radio transimitters come in different forms/shapes sizes..
  • edited October 2012
    aperose wrote: »
    Well, my friend made a good point. When Clem's mom calls the house at first she is trying to get in touch with the babysitter to tell her to get Clem out of town. But then she is specifically talking to Clem and I have to wonder why she didn't try to contact her daughter through the walkie-talkie which means that they probably lost it or somehow left it behind with all the madness in Savannah/the hospital.

    There's no reason Clem's parents would have taken a walkie with them to Savannah or tried to contact Clem on it. A walkie's range would be maybe 30 miles under the absolute best of conditions (ie: having both parties at the top of a mountain with no weather in between). More likely, the range would be ten miles or less. Atlanta and Savannah are about 250 miles away from each other.

    It's more likely that Clem and her parents only have two walkies and they usually just use it to talk to each other in different rooms or when Clem is up in her tree house.

    Glenn also wouldn't have taken a walkie with him because, again, the range would have made it useless for communicating with the group. He probably left it with them - they would have had more use for it than he did. I'm sure the other walkie was with the group at the Motor Inn and creepy walkie-man somehow got it from there.
  • edited October 2012
    I didn't realize that Clem is wearing the shirt from the car.

    So it looks like the car does and maybe will have long term repercussions.

    I still say the walkie talkie bloke is the owner of the car.
  • edited October 2012
    Glad to see some replies! Wanted to say that I am not taking this super seriously, just that I didn't play each episode as they came out so I want to enjoy this time for some discussion before we have all (or most) of the answers with ep 5.
    There's no reason Clem's parents would have taken a walkie with them to Savannah or tried to contact Clem on it. A walkie's range would be maybe 30 miles under the absolute best of conditions (ie: having both parties at the top of a mountain with no weather in between). More likely, the range would be ten miles or less. Atlanta and Savannah are about 250 miles away from each other.

    I would need to go back again but I thought that she specifically said they used it to talk when they went to Savannah, no? I also thought it would be a little far obviously but then again think of how Glenn contacted Clem when he was at the motor inn from the pharmacy (I know they're much closer, but still).

    I don't really think it's a plot hole or anything, I just want to see how TTG decides to explain - maybe the walkie guy has been following them a long time?
  • edited October 2012
    There were 2 handheld walkies. Glen left with one when he went towards Atlanta. Who ever is talking to Clem is most prob using an auto mounted or base unit type of transmitter. Classic walkies use the C.B. band. In the best of conditions a childs handheld unit would only be able to transmit a few miles where as it could pick up a signal from quite some distance transmitted by a car or base type unit. I find it hard to believe that someone would be able to follow the group from Macon to Savannah. A base unit with a high gain antenna could extent the range of the handheld up to maybe 10 to 15 miles in a flat terrain area like that outside of Savannah.
  • edited October 2012
    It also should be stated that in conditions like a ZA, where landline telephone, cell & internet communications would be interupted C.B. radio communications would be a simple and widely used method meaning it wouldnt be outside the realm of possibility that Clem would have contact with someone.
    The lack of this method being used more often is an oversight in TWD universe.
  • edited November 2012
    Malphaxis wrote: »
    There were 2 handheld walkies. Glen left with one when he went towards Atlanta.

    Everyone keeps saying this, but why would Glenn take the group's only other walkie to Atlanta with him? It would be too far away for him to be able to make any contact. It's far more likely that he left it with the group so they could actually use it if they ever fixed the other one.
  • edited November 2012
    the walkie talkie is an expensive one that would transmit and receive signals on multiple frequencies, a bit like in the show when Glenn uses a walkie talkie to communicate with the tank radio, so the walkie talkie guy could be using any type of radio to talk with Lee/Clementine he could even be in some radio tower or using a CB radio with a generator in the building
  • edited November 2012
    IMO Its a childs playtoy not a military type.
    Clem states Glen took the other one when she complains its broken.
  • edited November 2012
    Malphaxis wrote: »
    IMO Its a childs playtoy not a military type.
    Clem states Glen took the other one when she complains its broken.

    Christa points out that it is not a toy

    a bit like this

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  • edited November 2012
    Im not saying youre wrong, but Christas statement is more along the line of the point Imade earlier insofar as any method of communication in a ZA isnt a playtoy. Also Id ask why Clems parents would buy military grade equipment for their daugther to play in her treehouse.
  • edited November 2012
    Malphaxis wrote: »
    Im not saying youre wrong, but Christas statement is more along the line of the point Imade earlier insofar as any method of communication in a ZA isnt a playtoy. Also Id ask why Clems parents would buy military grade equipment for their daugther to play in her treehouse.

    maybe not military grade, but my dad likes camping and stuff like that, and he has bought some expensive equipment for his hobby, so it doesn't seem unreasonable for Clementine's family (they seem reasonably well off) to buy an expensive set of walkie talkies
  • edited November 2012
    Also unless theyre satelite types even military grade handhelds dont cover the distance between Atlanta & Savannah without relay stations. aAnd IMO Clems parents dont have satelite radios for their child.
  • edited November 2012
    Malphaxis wrote: »
    Also unless theyre satelite types even military grade handhelds dont cover the distance between Atlanta & Savannah without relay stations. aAnd IMO Clems parents dont have satelite radios for their child.

    yeah 30 miles is about the maximum limit with clear line of sight, to overcome the curvature of the earth they would need to be on a hill or tower etc.
  • edited November 2012
    maybe not military grade, but my dad likes camping and stuff like that, and he has bought some expensive equipment for his hobby, so it doesn't seem unreasonable for Clementine's family (they seem reasonably well off) to buy an expensive set of walkie talkies

    Ill give you that point, but Im pretty well heeled and my boys got ToysRUs stuff when they were kids.
  • edited November 2012
    yeah 30 miles is about the maximum limit with clear line of sight, to overcome the curvature of the earth they would need to be on a hill or tower etc.
    Yes, C.B. radios and walkies operate in the AM band which is highly dependant on signal strength. Most hand helds cant transmit beyond the horizon which is actually quite shorter than youd think.
  • edited November 2012
    I've learned more about walkie-talkies than I knew before this game :p namely that people still use them at all. It's going to be awfully difficult for TTG to explain how the guy was able to keep in contact with Clementine unless she kept telling him where they were and he hitched a ride on the back of the train or something. Either that or they will throw out the realism and just make these magic walkie-talkies.

    Still unsure whether to believe there are 3 or 2 of them either. From playing it I was sure that her parents did take one with her but now I'm starting to think maybe she would just talk to her parents while in her tree house and they were in the house. Anyway, 3 seems like a weird number to sell in a pack of something so it was likely just a pair.
  • edited November 2012
    aperose wrote: »
    I've learned more about walkie-talkies than I knew before this game :p namely that people still use them at all. It's going to be awfully difficult for TTG to explain how the guy was able to keep in contact with Clementine unless she kept telling him where they were and he hitched a ride on the back of the train or something. Either that or they will throw out the realism and just make these magic walkie-talkies.

    Still unsure whether to believe there are 3 or 2 of them either. From playing it I was sure that her parents did take one with her but now I'm starting to think maybe she would just talk to her parents while in her tree house and they were in the house. Anyway, 3 seems like a weird number to sell in a pack of something so it was likely just a pair.

    this kind of walkie talkie would not need an exact matching set like toy walkie talkies, they probably only had two, but the guy talking to them is transmitting on the same frequency and he could be using all sorts of different radio equipment to talk to clementine it wouldn't even have to be a walkie talkie
  • edited November 2012
    It could work if the guy has a ham radio or something.
  • edited November 2012
    this kind of walkie talkie would not need an exact matching set like toy walkie talkies, they probably only had two, but the guy talking to them is transmitting on the same frequency and he could be using all sorts of different radio equipment to talk to clementine it wouldn't even have to be a walkie talkie

    Yeah that seems more logical than trying to think of a scenario where he came across the other one that Glenn had or whatever. So then I wonder if he happened to be on the same frequency and heard Clem and decided to talk back or how their conversations went.
  • edited November 2012
    aperose wrote: »
    Yeah that seems more logical than trying to think of a scenario where he came across the other one that Glenn had or whatever. So then I wonder if he happened to be on the same frequency and heard Clem and decided to talk back or how their conversations went.

    i made a bad script/gist of the idea of what a possible scenario could be on another thread
    this could be similar to what happened on the train on the way to savannah,

    Clementine (just pretending to talk to parents but actually pressing the button) "mom, dad i love you, we are on a train on our way to savannah to find you, my friend lee is taking me to you"

    walkie talkie guy hears this on his radio he says " hello little girl, i am in savannah with a lot of people, what is your and your parents name? maybe your parents are with me"

    clementine "I'm clementine, my parents are called Ed and Dianna"

    walkie talkie guy "oh, you parents are at my settlement but they are not here right now but i am sure they will be by the time you get here, who is this person Lee you are talking about?"

    clementine " Lee is protecting me, he has killed lots of things, even before the monsters came"

    WT guy " i think your parents would love to see you when you get here, but only you not Lee "

    Clementine " oh, ok"

    WT guy "i have to go now Clementine but i will speak to you later, remember only you not Lee, bye Clementine"

    clementine "bye bye"

    not a brilliant script but that kind of thing could have happened on the way to savannah on the train, he didn't need to be talking to her the whole time.
  • edited November 2012
    Stalking i think she was talking to him at the beginning of the episode since she was talking to it in ep.3 you even see her lips move.
  • edited November 2012
    Stalking i think she was talking to him at the beginning of the episode since she was talking to it in ep.3 you even see her lips move.

    she just pretending the whole time and it wasn't until the train she actually got a response, but of course i don't know this, but this is how it may have happened
  • edited November 2012
    she just pretending the whole time and it wasn't until the train she actually got a response, but of course i don't know this, but this is how it may have happened

    We'll im just saying that because i noticed it and then it was said on the wiki
  • edited November 2012
    We'll im just saying that because i noticed it and then it was said on the wiki

    who writes the wiki anyway? and can you show me a link to the page?
  • edited November 2012
    heres where i read it which seems like im not the only person who noticed it.
    http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Campman
  • edited November 2012
    heres where i read it which seems like im not the only person who noticed it.
    http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Campman

    if i had written the wiki ;)


    "In Episode 2: Starved for Help, Clementine is seen talking into her walkie-talkie. She says it's broken, but she likes pretending she is talking to her parents. It is likely that she was pretending to talk to her parents. Another instance of this also happened in the beginning of Episode 3: Long Road Ahead. She is seen talking into her walkie-talkie as Lee and Kenny return from their trip to the drug store."
  • edited November 2012
    It's safe to assume by this point that the radio was never broken but was simply not working because of the batteries. At the end of Ep 2, Carley or Doug hands Clem batteries that were found in the car and it's working from then on. From Ep 3, she is talking to Radiobastard.
  • edited November 2012
    Ninnuendo wrote: »
    It's safe to assume by this point that the radio was never broken but was simply not working because of the batteries. At the end of Ep 2, Carley or Doug hands Clem batteries that were found in the car and it's working from then on. From Ep 3, she is talking to Radiobastard.

    it's safe to assume the batteries thing, but assuming the radio guy has been following us the whole time is a stretch (still possible) but not a safe bet

    i think the whole its broken thing was to make us forget about it until the train
  • edited November 2012
    @thestalkinghead - interesting script of what could have happened. I'm starting to imagine radio guy being someone who has been obsessing over getting into contact with people through radios and hearing Clem's voice made him obsessed with her and with luring her people to him for company. Maybe the guy even remembers the story about Lee being a murderer like Larry did and thinks he can take better care of her.
  • edited November 2012
    aperose wrote: »
    @thestalkinghead - interesting script of what could have happened. I'm starting to imagine radio guy being someone who has been obsessing over getting into contact with people through radios and hearing Clem's voice made him obsessed with her and with luring her people to him for company. Maybe the guy even remembers the story about Lee being a murderer like Larry did and thinks he can take better care of her.

    i tried to make it ambiguous so it would be interpreted in a good or bad way, mainly because its speculation and also because what we have actually heard him say could be interpreted in a good or bad way
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