"I don't believe in strength in numbers"

edited November 2012 in The Walking Dead
So this is my first post on the forum and I wanted to know what you people think of this phrase Christa said in ep3. I think she is kind of right because Lee's group only had problems when they were all together while Omid and Christa handled themselves pretty well.

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  • edited November 2012
    I think they just got really lucky and didnt have to deal with half the crap we did. Think about it, if they ran into some bandits instead of our gang on the train, they would probably have been shot. They were far too trusting and far too quick to accept us into the gang. Im not even sure if they had guns when we first met them and if they did, they should have been pointed at us.

    Numbers means that you're group can have a variety of skills. The group with more people is more likely to have doctors, mechanics, fishermen, hunters and simple fighters. Also if you run into a group of bandits, numbers would make a huge difference. Provided you have the right people in you're group and they work together well, the more the merrier.

    Also, welcome to the forum :D
  • edited November 2012
    Yeah you're right, but still Lee's group is full of people that dislike each other like Lilly and Kenny, while a few people have less problems. But for the fact that they have more skills, the only 2 persons that had some really useful ones (Kat and Doug) are dead.
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    The only reason the Macon group didn't work out was because it was split. Kenny and Lilly were each vying for control of the group. If the group had actually been unified, it would probably still be together.
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    It was split because there were to much people that didn't get along, so I still think she was PARTIALLY right. If the group was smaller, like 4-5 persons, it would have been better.
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    A group of 4-5 sounds about right, but im sure loads of fit capable people still have family or friends that they will not leave behind for anything, so you could really easily go over that number. Lilly had Larry, Kenny and Kat had Duck, Lee has Clementine, ect. Also Kenny is a mechanic/fisherman and Lee is a badass. I think its just unfortunate that TT happened to kill most of the useful people in ep 3.
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    Wrighty wrote: »
    A group of 4-5 sounds about right, but im sure loads of fit capable people still have family or friends that they will not leave behind for anything, so you could really easily go over that number. Lilly had Larry, Kenny and Kat had Duck, Lee has Clementine, ect. Also Kenny is a mechanic/fisherman and Lee is a badass. I think its just unfortunate that TT happened to kill most of the useful people in ep 3.

    Well if I had to choose my I would have stayed with Kenny and family and leave the other guys, it's not that i don't like them, but the relationship between Lee and Larry and between Kenny and Lilly brought more problems than good.
  • edited November 2012
    Christa says this, yet stays with Lee's group because of Omid's leg. I'm pretty sure that they would survive much longer if they had not found Lee's group.

    Oh, and welcome to the forums!
  • edited November 2012
    Zeruis wrote: »
    Christa says this, yet stays with Lee's group because of Omid's leg. I'm pretty sure that they would survive much longer if they had not found Lee's group.

    Omid's leg wouldn't have been injured in the first place if they hadn't helped.

    I can see the argument for being only 1 or 2, easier to move, less supplies needed, less responsibility. However, I just don't agree with it.
    To some extent there is strength in numbers, humans have evolved as social animals because it benefits them. The sheer diversity of skills and amount you can get done within a group greatly helps. The only problem with groups is the social aspect, a well drilled unit with a strong leader is far better off than a couple of people.
  • edited November 2012
    Ninnuendo wrote: »
    Omid's leg wouldn't have been injured in the first place if they hadn't helped.

    I can see the argument for being only 1 or 2, easier to move, less supplies needed, less responsibility. However, I just don't agree with it.
    To some extent there is strength in numbers, humans have evolved as social animals because it benefits them. The sheer diversity of skills and amount you can get done within a group greatly helps. The only problem with groups is the social aspect, a well drilled unit with a strong leader is far better off than a couple of people.

    I don't think the group was "a well drilled unit with a strong leader". They are just some random people who stumbled in each other and they didn't collaborate enough to become an efficent group.
  • edited November 2012
    Yes ... it's interesting that Omid and Christa said that people were better on their own and then immediately recanted when faced with unexpected tragedy. Suddenly they wanted society (Lee's group) to step in and provide healthcare, free of charge.

    Is it a joke about hypocrisy, about people who claim to be self sufficient because they don't have enough imagination to envision a situation where they would need help?

    Or is the joke that Omid and Christa would have been fine if they hadn't compromised their self sufficiency by helping Lee's group?
  • edited November 2012
    Yea lees group is a conduit for bad luck
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    I think Omid and Christa were probably discussing joining a group because of the fact that she's pregnant and they will need more protection. I think it's pretty shitty that they are hiding it from the group though (especially after acting all indignant that Lee/Kenny don't tell them about the walkie at first). Probably after Crawford Christa is rethinking how someone like Kenny may respond to a baby (hint: probably a lot like he responded to a dying/dead Larry)
  • edited November 2012
    aperose wrote: »
    I think Omid and Christa were probably discussing joining a group because of the fact that she's pregnant and they will need more protection. I think it's pretty shitty that they are hiding it from the group though (especially after acting all indignant that Lee/Kenny don't tell them about the walkie at first). Probably after Crawford Christa is rethinking how someone like Kenny may respond to a baby (hint: probably a lot like he responded to a dying/dead Larry)

    no way Kenny is a family man, he may not love the idea but he would tell her/make her have some kind of abortion, but sure it would be a tough situation to bring up for anybody in a ZA
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    no way Kenny is a family man, he may not love the idea but he would tell her/make her have some kind of abortion, but sure it would be a tough situation to bring up for anybody in a ZA

    no kenny would throw her down the stairs.
  • edited November 2012
    no kenny would throw her down the stairs.

    he may not be your bro but he isn't evil
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    he may not be your bro but he isn't evil
    he is my brophoto-3975-6fbfb121.jpg
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    he is my brophoto-3975-6fbfb121.jpg

    look at him, how could this family loving man ever hurt a pregnant woman
  • edited November 2012
    I think Omid and Christa had the right idea to begin with, but caved to fear over Christa's condition (and while my Kenny may be a bit of a wanker, no I don't think he'd pull an Oberson on Christa).

    Me personally, I'd be doing a Molly.
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    look at him, how could this family loving man ever hurt a pregnant woman
    but thats a chibi kenny
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    he is my brophoto-3975-6fbfb121.jpg

    adooorable. :3

    But still, do you think Kenny would risk having a newborn CRYING-ATTRACTING-WALKERS baby around for Christa's sake? And do you think Christa will give up her baby especially after seeing how that scenario ended for Ana Correa? Maybe they will just have to agree to go their separate ways. All I know is Kenny has never been one to think through the consequences of his actions - he just acts.
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    If it came down to Kenny vs. Christa, he's a dead man.
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    aperose wrote: »
    adooorable. :3

    But still, do you think Kenny would risk having a newborn CRYING-ATTRACTING-WALKERS baby around for Christa's sake? And do you think Christa will give up her baby especially after seeing how that scenario ended for Ana Correa? Maybe they will just have to agree to go their separate ways. All I know is Kenny has never been one to think through the consequences of his actions - he just acts.

    C'mon, kids have always been the line he can't cross. He could barely kill zombie Duck and zombie Duck lookalike. You think he could make her have a abortion or even kill the new born? Not a chance

    Besides she's not that far pregnant so I don't think we will ever see that choice get made, especially since Lee has no time. And Kenny thinks through things all the time.
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    Kenny may be an idiot, but people are demonizing him more than he deserves. He would never kill a pregnant woman/newborn, he is a family man and children are his weakness.
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    aperose wrote: »
    adooorable. :3

    But still, do you think Kenny would risk having a newborn CRYING-ATTRACTING-WALKERS baby around for Christa's sake? And do you think Christa will give up her baby especially after seeing how that scenario ended for Ana Correa? Maybe they will just have to agree to go their separate ways. All I know is Kenny has never been one to think through the consequences of his actions - he just acts.

    No way would Kenny kill a baby or a pregnant woman. He would in no way be thrilled at the idea of having to take care of a baby during a time like the ZA, but he's too much of a family man. Who knows, he might try to help Christa and Omid because he couldn't help his own family and wants to make it right. He'd probably have Christa (and Omid, if they could afford it) stay back at the house/camp/motel/where they're hiding and go for supplies with anyone else who is able to come.
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    Rock114 wrote: »
    No way would Kenny kill a baby or a pregnant woman. He would in no way be thrilled at the idea of having to take care of a baby during a time like the ZA, but he's too much of a family man. Who knows, he might try to help Christa and Omid because he couldn't help his own family and wants to make it right. He'd probably have Christa (and Omid, if they could afford it) stay back at the house/camp/motel/where they're hiding and go for supplies with anyone else who is able to come.

    Hmm, I don't know. You think Kenny wouldn't have dropped a salt lick on pregnant Christa if she was in the floor in the locker? I say he would. I think he would have dropped it on anybody except Katjaa or Duck. Ok, maybe he wouldn't dropped it on Clem, but I'm not sure.

    Kenny's family matters to Kenny, not other people's family. Kenny won't go to save Clem at the end of episode 4 if he doesn't feel that she and Lee have become family, so why would he care about Christa, pregnant or not, when he has even less of a relationship with her?

    I would like to see more interaction between Kenny and Christa and Omid. In episode 4, Telltale made sure that everyone had a reason to go to Crawford ... I think it would have been more interesting if the boat was ready to go, and Kenny would have argued to not risk getting medicine for Omid, because he really doesn't care.
  • edited November 2012
    He knew lee and clem for a little more than 3 months. By the time christa will have the baby he'd have known her for probably twice as long, so a strong almost family friendship has time to be born.
  • edited November 2012
    Fabrimuch wrote: »
    Kenny may be an idiot, but people are demonizing him more than he deserves. He would never kill a pregnant woman/newborn, he is a family man and children are his weakness.
    Apparently not, since he didn't want to join me in finding Clem.
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    Marumochi wrote: »
    Apparently not, since he didn't want to join me in finding Clem.

    If you say Clem is family to you, he'll probably come. Btw has someone done a thread about the people from the game you would take with you in a group?
  • edited November 2012
    IndigoHawk wrote: »
    Hmm, I don't know. You think Kenny wouldn't have dropped a salt lick on pregnant Christa if she was in the floor in the locker? I say he would. I think he would have dropped it on anybody except Katjaa or Duck. Ok, maybe he wouldn't dropped it on Clem, but I'm not sure.

    Kenny's family matters to Kenny, not other people's family. Kenny won't go to save Clem at the end of episode 4 if he doesn't feel that she and Lee have become family, so why would he care about Christa, pregnant or not, when he has even less of a relationship with her?

    I think these are both fundamentally different then Kenny outright killing Christa because she is pregnant or forcing an abortion/murder the baby at birth, let me explain why.

    In your first example if Christa is infected, so would the baby more than likely (I would assume so but do not know how Kirkman's view on this in his world). Therefore regardless she (Christa) will be a threat if she rises and turns on them, maybe due to her relatively smaller size then the "giant" Larry Kenny would wait for her to turn, THEN smash her head in.

    Your second example I feel is that Kenny can distance himself from Clem's situation because it is not known that she is dead and there are others willing to help Lee. I feel this insulates him from the feeling one would get from say leaving Clem in the middle of a pack of zombies (freakin' Ben) or killing her if she were to turn.

    Therefore I believe that Kenny is capable of killing an adult female (pregnant or not) if she was infected or turned but I do not think he is able to kill a zombie kid just yet. I'm sure he will be able to in time, it's just too soon for him. I also believe he has a weak spot for women and kids and would give his life protecting them if he feels they are in imminent danger.
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