The infection
Something thats kinda bugged me since i started getting into the whole zombie genre is Walker blood. If their bite infects you wouldn't getting drenched in their blood be just as bad. Even if it doesn't absorb through your skin, People are usually yelling when they swing a weapon so lets say some of that walker juice gets in your mouth or eyes, are you as good as bit?
Fucked your mind and how you would deal with them didn't I!
Fucked your mind and how you would deal with them didn't I!
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that would depend on the specific rules the piece of zombie fiction you are seeing has set up, in TWD it doesn't seem to matter if you hack up some zombies then use the same weapon to hack off a limb of a person, so its not the blood.
but in 28 days later (even though it's not considered a true zombie film) it only takes a drop of blood in the eye to make you turn
Ok that clears that up, but now im wondering if thats on purpose or just not thought about.
Good to know about 28 days later, i wasnt sure if they were even dead or not
i don't actually think the 28 days later people are dead it's a "rage virus" but the similarities between zombies and the 28 days later "rage infected" are enough to put them in the same area as zombies
Man, I've been wondering this also, I cringe every time I watch the show and see all of that zombie juice all over them.
Yeah, same. That being said, I still understand why they don't delve into explaining this. The specific science behind the infection really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Everything else is a grey area. Supposedly a bite from a zombie causes a standard bacterial type of infection and just speeds process along because it is left untreated. What this doesn't explain is why these infections are resistant to antibiotics (perhaps the wrong antibiotics were used?)
Honestly I don't think even Kirkman knows one way or another because it has never been fully explained as to why, if you are bitten, you are automatically a goner. Based on Kirkman's own "rules" if treated with the right antibiotic, the patient should recover with no issues but that doesn't happen.
Perhaps the bite from dead, infected, saliva just "activates" the infection. Perhaps the living are carriers but it doesn't go "active" until the right catalyst is introduced into the system (dead blood/saliva).
From what we've seen, blood may not have anything to do with it. It may be the Saliva that it is rooted in. How else to explain the fact that eventually a TWD Zombie is going to dry up, but will still walk.
I think we got this as clear as we can make it but i'm still curious lol.
ummmm somebody doesnt get the conversation. Yes we all know that since episode 2. Im saying wouldnt getting their blood in your system be just as bad as if they bit or scratch you. Like how the bite kills you but isnt responsible for you turning
You just have to assume the characters are all wrong about their theories and they are doing what they think is right even though they are delusional.
Yeah, I've heard others mention a possible dormant human virus or something. I just don't get why all of a sudden this would happen at the time it did. In Ricks world, before he got shot and went into a coma, people died and stayed dead. What changed? I doubt Kirkman will ever tell us but there has to be some explanation... Global Government project gone wrong (I Would LOVE to see parts of the other world and how they are doing in say Britain?), Terrorists, Wiping out the Amazon Rain Forest unearthing an unknown disease, Fallen Meteor, etc.
We can't rule out "Act of God" either. One of the signs for the apocalypse is the dead rising for judgement day. Only problem with this theory is that none of the other signs have made themselves apparent. If it's an "Act of God" all the signs would pop up. Weather events, rivers of blood. Demons walking the earth, etc.
I still believe Kirkman himself doesn't even know and this is why it has not been explained more in-depth. It wouldn't be the first time. -- Credence is lent to this when you see that the CDC in Atlanta, a completely closed environment only has 1 man left standing by the time they show up. The CDC should have seen a 60% survival rate in a closed environment like this, but Kirkman decided to blow the place up. Why? it'd be a great place to get these answers and now it is gone.
But Kirkman's universe tends to not make a lot of sense. Think about how many Police, Military, Rescue workers, Survivalists, etc. did NOT make it out alive. Common sense tells us more of these people with this training should have survived, but we have seen very few. Why? Because if more had survived then it might make things too easy for them.
Also, what about other closed-government facilities that have been designed to run for YEARS and why there has been no mention about this. So, lots of holes that Kirkman has avoided or not even thought about.
Kirkman wanted two types of people to survive. The Sociopaths and the average Joe trying to do the right thing but who is too moronic to fully understand that team work is the only way to survive now.
I've never read the comics, but this just lends even more weight to the Kirkman Himself doesn't know theory.
Write about what you know. Kirkman doesn't know, so he doesn't write about it.
He's said he already has a few ideas on such topics, but won't use them until the comic sales drop and he decides to end it.
1. Was already dead - Risen from the grave/morgue/etc...
2. Died from Infection - Perhaps bitten
3. Died from trauma - Gunshot, injuries, etc...
4. Died from natural causes - old age, other common illness/disease
These are just a few ideas.
As for being bitten the infection spreads from where you were bitten to the brain making you a zombie.
From what I can work out anyways.
Rick's not an expert on the subject, he's just being safe. He's wrong when he says that, because we see zombie blood in everyone's mouth later and in their eyes. Kirkman's dismissal of that being problematic seems to imply that there isn't a disease to transmit through fluids.
Everyone reanimates despite the way they die (save brain trauma), bites infect a wound and kill because of their diseased nature. If fluids were a problem, Kirkman would have covered it and nixed it happening in the show.
This is what happens when you don't brush and floss.
But a Winterfresh mouth tastes MUCH MUCH COOLER!
How do we know the whole worlds infected? From what ive seen from the game and show (havnt read the comics and dont really plan on it) they havnt even been outside Georgia.
Kenny came from florida, but thats right next to Georgia.
Also ive wondered IF the virus was only in America it could be a form of biological warfare?
It would be cool to see how other countries dealed with this.
It'd be ridiculously funny to acknowledge that the other world's o.k. Or that the «virus» works only in specific (area of few «cursed») states. (Like those are built upon old indian burrial grounds)
It's covered. The comic doesn't leave the United States, but they've traveled through many infected states. It's at least national in the comics. In the show, they even talk about it being a global problem in the first season finale and say that France was one of the last holdouts. Everyone has the same story, the military falls apart and zombies win, leaving only pockets of humanity, like the Prison, Washington and Woodbury.
Me too. It seems awfully inconsistent to me. Frankly I thought they were just getting really sloppy about it. Seems like the show has decided to up the gore factor.
But really, didn't Jim get a scratch that made him turn? I've been watching how they all do this major amount of mutilating, get blood everywhere and don't seem to consider it. Then we have the tender moment with Glenn checking Maggie for scratches. I call bullshit. Just in day to day living, they are bound to have scratches on them from how they survive. If nothing else, hand callouses and blisters that if contacted with walker blood SHOULD turn them.
It's inconsistent.
I thought they attributed scratches to spreading the infection because they hadn't realised people were turning because everyone was already infected and just assumed scratching caused it?
I'm sure there was a few points in the TV series, Randalls death for instance, were someone would say 'I don't see any bite marks' on a Walker and someone else (usually Glen), would say 'Maybe they got scratched?'
Are there any instances of someone dying purely because of a scratch? Maybe in the comics?
Someone said Jim died of a scratch, but he was bitten in the stomach?
So if you have a scratch of any kind walker or non walker, and you get walker blood on it, I'm thinking it should make you turn just because it gets into the bloodstream. That's why the amputation if done quickly enough is supposed to help. As long as the infection chain isn't allowed to keep going through the body they shouldn't turn. (until they die)
SPOILER FROM THE COMIC COMING UP!
I borrowed them from a friend a while ago,but just to be sure you must have read to atleast Volume 8 or issue 43!
Okay,if you are still reading at somepoint The Governor kisses Penny (His brother's daughter) the exchange of saliva does nothing to him,so that is out of the question.
There is no disease. The rules for contamination don't reflect an infection. Occam's Razor states that the simplest explanation is the right one. So if virus can only be explained by adding crazy twists to the plot, it's probably wrong. Hence, magic, the craziest theory, is probably the right one.
I did read a possible explanation on another forum.
It speculated something about the “zombie virus” being dormant, untill you die, then it gets active, and you turn. The problem with a zombie bite would be, that a zombie already has an activated virus, and you’d get an active virus in your bloodstream because of the bite, so you’d turn while alive. Seemed plausible to me, but again, I’m no expert on the walking dead universe, or zombie virusses in general
Just curious, dont care about comic spoilers no more since i just watch the show/game. but when you say he kisses penny, do you mean intimately or like a uncle would kiss his niece?
cause damn somebody frawking their deceased niece is pretty much as frawked up as it gets.
he gave her tongue.