Chuck is Vernon's brother.
I am completely surprised not one person mentioned this or how it is not mentioned in the wikia, but Chuck is a lot bigger of a character than it seems.
Play episode 3 again, and when you first enter the driver's room and see the dead body, remember how the guy was not killed by the walkers, nor turned into one, but was MURDERED? He didn't kill himself, someone shot him from the outside as evidenced by the glass. Now in this room, did anyone look at the photograph? It was a man with his wife and two kids. Guess who that was. Yes, Chuck.
Why would his picture be attached in the driver's room? Remember how Chuck just so happened to be living at the train? How the train somehow stopped on its own and was shut off? Remember how he strangely happened to be in the sewer with a gun that was never seen before, and how Vernon questioned Lee about the train? Is it weird that both Chuck and Vernon look alike? Lastly, did you notice how the picture disappeared after talking to Chuck for the first time and heading to the driver's room to find it missing? This cannot be a coincidence. Chuck used to work as a train driver, and Vernon knew about it.
So, what am I trying to get exactly? Well here is what I think. Chuck lied to Lee about not seeing his family in fourteen years. For all we know, he was probably on the train the day of the outbreak and after seeing what happened and the train stopping to possibly avoid hitting a car (seen next to the train where that zombie was inside still attached to the seat belt.) Chuck, who knew what was going on and was too afraid to take chances, shot the driver and shut off the train, using it as shelter. Possibly fearing death, he chose to stay indoors, going out only to find food and whatnot, drinking to keep him calm, assuming his family are dead.
Seeing how Kenny had the same drinking habits, this is very likely. Now here is where Vernon's story comes to mind:
Vernon and Chuck knew of their occupations and area of residence. When Chuck chose to fight off the walkers himself, he looked very confident. It appears that he still had his gun all along and used it to defend himself from the horde of zombies. Then, he went to go meet his brother and the cancer group on his own and possibly get them to help Lee. Realizing he was outnumbered and could not make it in time, he took his life with the last bullet of his gun.
Vernon, knowing of Chuck's occupation, went to the train, possibly to see if he was still there and also to see if they can use that as a method of transportation. As we don't know what happened to the group, this is probably the case.
Anyone want to say why you agree/disagree? Feel free to discuss.
Play episode 3 again, and when you first enter the driver's room and see the dead body, remember how the guy was not killed by the walkers, nor turned into one, but was MURDERED? He didn't kill himself, someone shot him from the outside as evidenced by the glass. Now in this room, did anyone look at the photograph? It was a man with his wife and two kids. Guess who that was. Yes, Chuck.
Why would his picture be attached in the driver's room? Remember how Chuck just so happened to be living at the train? How the train somehow stopped on its own and was shut off? Remember how he strangely happened to be in the sewer with a gun that was never seen before, and how Vernon questioned Lee about the train? Is it weird that both Chuck and Vernon look alike? Lastly, did you notice how the picture disappeared after talking to Chuck for the first time and heading to the driver's room to find it missing? This cannot be a coincidence. Chuck used to work as a train driver, and Vernon knew about it.
So, what am I trying to get exactly? Well here is what I think. Chuck lied to Lee about not seeing his family in fourteen years. For all we know, he was probably on the train the day of the outbreak and after seeing what happened and the train stopping to possibly avoid hitting a car (seen next to the train where that zombie was inside still attached to the seat belt.) Chuck, who knew what was going on and was too afraid to take chances, shot the driver and shut off the train, using it as shelter. Possibly fearing death, he chose to stay indoors, going out only to find food and whatnot, drinking to keep him calm, assuming his family are dead.
Seeing how Kenny had the same drinking habits, this is very likely. Now here is where Vernon's story comes to mind:
Vernon and Chuck knew of their occupations and area of residence. When Chuck chose to fight off the walkers himself, he looked very confident. It appears that he still had his gun all along and used it to defend himself from the horde of zombies. Then, he went to go meet his brother and the cancer group on his own and possibly get them to help Lee. Realizing he was outnumbered and could not make it in time, he took his life with the last bullet of his gun.
Vernon, knowing of Chuck's occupation, went to the train, possibly to see if he was still there and also to see if they can use that as a method of transportation. As we don't know what happened to the group, this is probably the case.
Anyone want to say why you agree/disagree? Feel free to discuss.
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how can you guarantee that?
i heard one of the people that made it say the picture was a mistake (i think it was on twitch.tv King Foom destructoid lets play with the telltale developers) , it is actually a different scene altogether when it goes missing and they forgot to put it in, and the way he dies is just based on the evidence we saw which did not include a bullet hole in the head but did include a misshapen head, a crashed train and a broken train window (incredibly hard to break) but of course that isn't concrete proof, just enough for me
Anyway, I can agree with the train driver's possible head trauma, but still, Chuck was the guy on the picture. There's no denying it.
Also, the train was indeed shut off, that's why there was that whole objective that took several minutes which required us to find out how to get it up and running.
i don't know exactly how a train works but i would asume there are certain safety measures built into the train to stop catastrophic failures, so my assumption would be that a safety kill switch stopped the engine (when it crashed) and that the start up procedure was just how that train is always started
but i did find it suspicious that the start up steps had been cut off the notebook but that could have happened anytime
Vernon mentioned the train because that was where the herd was coming into town. The herd followed the train, and thus would have hit Savannah from the railroad tracks. As a doctor, Vernon would have had little to nothing to do with trains before the apocalypse. He might be trying to get his group to the train and get them away from Savannah, but it isn;t because of some unknown link to Chuck.
i believe the photo was missing from after chuck's appearance, and that was before kat and duck died.
imagine it like this:
you are the train conductor, then the train cart wheels go loose, your head goes flying to the window then BAM! half your head is gone
Conspiracy. Theory.
This may be meant as a big revelation in the last episode, who knows...
I assumed it was suicide, with a magnum, which Chuck later grabs. Didn't Chuck have a magnum when you find him in the sewers?
I don't know if I would say that Chuck and Vernon are brothers and what not, but I would at least say that's where Chuck got the gun...
his head looks flattened to me
Let me save you the trouble. It was the front viewing window. PIC 1 and PIC 2.
I can't think of any conceivable shot angle that would cause that level of wound. It still makes more sense that his head was smashed on impact.
I'd google train crash victims, but I don't feel like staring at real disfigured corpses. What your proposing is actually harder to believe and has zero set up to support it.
Speaking of set up, people need to read into the scene a little bit more and stop wildly guessing. They give a good long shot of the dead guys face and a good long shot of the smashed window. That's the game makers way of saying, "LOOK AT THIS! See? We're putting these two scenes together so you look at them and draw the conclusion that we was killed by slamming headfirst into the window."
Also magnum refers to when a bullet is a larger version of another bullet or uses more powder, it doesn't refer to any specific gun.
I agree with you completely here on the head part. It didn't look like he could possibly have part of his head crushed by a train impact.
Besides, I doubt it is a coincidence that Chuck was in the train with another man looking like him in the photo. Seems like Chuck is the train driver after all honestly.
You mean, this picture? I hate to break it to you, but I'm pretty sure this guy is wearing a hat.
Here's a nice up-close of the dead guy. Notice how the dark brows and well groomed beard match the photo?
Now contrast that with a picture of Chuck. Grey, almost completely white, brows and a poorly maintained beard to match.
The guy in the photo is just plain younger and much less weathered looking than Chuck.
I also have to disagree on the photo showing Chuck. I don't think there is a lot of resemblance and it is not taken away after Chuck appears either.
The pic disappears after Duck has died, so my guess would be that Kenny takes it off.
chuck?
not sure if someone already said that?
If the wiki is to be trusted on the subject he's from Clayton, and that's quite a ways away from Macon. Although I've never heard him make mention of this in game.
Doesn't look like Chuck to me.
Not hard to figure out.
People just want things to be more complicated than they already are
Chuck freakin' died right outside the doorstep of Vernon's cancer group. Lee and Vernon probably had to step over his dead body when navigating their way back to the house. And NO, I'm not going to budge on that, and here's why: When Lee goes back to the cancer group hideout (keep in mind that he left FROM THE HOUSE), he uses the same path to get there, which is through the hole in the wall. Vernon specifically mentions that he's using the sewers to navigate around the town.
Just face the simple truth. Chuck was a simple, honest man and had no choice but to go with the group. He got surrounded in a panic and tried to escape into the sewers, where he unfortunately died. His story is over, guys.
That said, we're all over-thinking this. I bid you all adieu and retire myself permanently from this thread.
Other than the train conductor theory this post is awesome!
I think the man could have been murdered by some using a blunt instrument but if that were the case it would probably be putting him out of his misery and I think a train accident is more likely
I don't think Vernon and Chuck have anything to do with each other
Just realised the Train Driver shares the same head as Ben's teacher.