Whoa, Ben (SPOILERS)

edited November 2012 in The Walking Dead
As much as I hated him for what he did for Kat and Duck, I felt sorry for him when it came to his argument with Ken in EP5, was about time he stood up for himself and that was the time. Even if Kenny was my bro I will admit that argument was slightly OTT.

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  • edited November 2012
    It's still sad that in the end he didn't have a chance to actually save someone.
  • edited November 2012
    What happens I let ben go in ep 4
  • edited November 2012
    What happens I let ben go in ep 4

    1 He said something about his very sad part of not having a chance to even meet his family or something like that.

    2. Ken felt sorry for him.

    3. Ken tried to save him from the walkers...in the end both of them died. The game strongly hinted that Ken actually used his last bullet to "save" Ben.

    4. from the third point, Ken also presumably died from trying to save Ben.
  • edited November 2012
    When he told Kenny to fuck off, I felt so good for him, he finally stood up for himself.
  • edited November 2012
    Chanut_N wrote: »
    1 He said something about his very sad part of not having a chance to even meet his family or something like that.

    2. Ken felt sorry for him.

    3. Ken tried to save him from the walkers...in the end both of them died. The game strongly hinted that Ken actually used his last bullet to "save" Ben.

    4. from the third point, Ken also presumably died from trying to save Ben.

    I believe he meant what happens if you had let Ben die in episode 4. Personally I don't know because I saved him.
  • edited November 2012
    What happens I let ben go in ep 4

    On a rooftop, Ken bumps Lee and accidentally makes his walkie talkie fall down a hole in the roof into a dark room. Christa jumps down to grab it, and she's trapped in the room with walkers. Kenny jumps down to save her by lifting her out of the room and it is implied that he gets eaten alive.

    Basically it comes down to whether Kenny dies saving Christa or dies saving Ben.
  • edited November 2012
    If Kenny dies saving Ben, what happens to Ben afterwards along with Christa and Omid? I dropped Ben back in Episode 4, so I didn't see any of this.
  • edited November 2012
    I always supported Ben, so when he stood up to Kenny, it felt great. And when the three were stuck down in the alley, Kenny was a hero. I know he used his last bullet on Ben and forgave him, because if he wanted Ben to still die, he would've gone with Lee and left him.
  • edited November 2012
    If Kenny dies saving Ben, what happens to Ben afterwards along with Christa and Omid? I dropped Ben back in Episode 4, so I didn't see any of this.

    Ben dies along with Kenny. :)
  • edited November 2012
    If Kenny dies saving Ben, what happens to Ben afterwards along with Christa and Omid? I dropped Ben back in Episode 4, so I didn't see any of this.

    Both Ben and Christa died. When the group jumped off the balcony to the roof, Ben was the last one and he took his time. This caused the balcony to fall down to the ground.

    Ben was alive and conscious only because the balcony broke his fall, but unfortunately a piece of the balcony pierced his stomach and seemed to barely miss his vital organs. The metal balcony was impaled so deep into him that almost all if it was sticking out full of blood. Kenny was the first to go down a ladder to save him while Lee followed. Realizing there was no way to save him, Lee suggested leaving but Kenny refused. He locked a door so Lee would be forced to climb back up the ladder, while Ben screaming in fear of getting eaten by the walkers, is shot in the head by Kenny, who chose to end his suffering with the final bullet. Kenny becomes the hero and lets himself get eaten.
  • edited November 2012
    I never understood why Kenny couldn't just shoot him AND escape? If I were Lee I would definitely just have shot Ben, it's really the best thing for him anyway, and better for the group.

    The way it came down felt more like Kenny committing suicide on some heroic pretext than real heroism.
  • edited November 2012
    KlNGEDY0 wrote: »
    As much as I hated him for what he did for Kat and Duck, I felt sorry for him when it came to his argument with Ken in EP5, was about time he stood up for himself and that was the time. Even if Kenny was my bro I will admit that argument was slightly OTT.

    I almost stood up and cheered when he told off Kenny. That was a long time coming. The kid did have some stones and I was proud of him. I never hated him anyway. He made some bad mistakes but he was doing what he thought was right, much like Kenny.
  • edited November 2012
    Velorian wrote: »
    I never understood why Kenny couldn't just shoot him AND escape? If I were Lee I would definitely just have shot Ben, it's really the best thing for him anyway, and better for the group.

    The way it came down felt more like Kenny committing suicide on some heroic pretext than real heroism.

    I tend to believe that he actually tried to save Ben by fighting the zombies but when he knew that he was losing he used the last bullet to save Ben.
  • edited November 2012
    Velorian wrote: »
    I never understood why Kenny couldn't just shoot him AND escape? If I were Lee I would definitely just have shot Ben, it's really the best thing for him anyway, and better for the group.
    .

    how do you know he didnt?
  • edited November 2012
    Yertos wrote: »
    When he told Kenny to fuck off, I felt so good for him, he finally stood up for himself.

    This. He more or less verbally curb-stomped Kenny - and pulled Kenny's head out of his ass far better than anything Lee had tried to that point.
  • edited November 2012
    I do feel really sorry for Ben but I can't forget that he made the deal with the bandits even if it just merely delayed the inevitable...
    marcu5 wrote: »
    how do you know he didnt?

    PLOTTWIST!!!!
  • edited November 2012
    Go Ben! it was epic! :)
  • edited November 2012
    when it comes to ben. kennys death doesnt make sense.
    especialy after giving that awesome heart felt speech about NOT commiting suicide
  • edited November 2012
    Ben dying to the balcony fall sucked so much. It the most suck part of the entire game. I really wanted him to finally prove himself.
    Kenny trying to save him was cool though.
  • edited November 2012
    I felt so bad for Ben throughout the entire game and I always treated him right... Ugh, why did you have to die? :'(

    Even though he didn't prove himself he at least stood up for himself for the first time, and it was epic =/
  • edited November 2012
    I didn't feel any pity for him, Nor his family. He killed another dude's family, So WHY Should I care for his?
  • edited November 2012
    I didn't feel any pity for him, Nor his family. He killed another dude's family, So WHY Should I care for his?

    Come on, not THIS again. Btw, I was happy he stood up for himself and Kenny finally saw it wasn't easy for the kid. Kenny's death was the most heroic action of the game.
  • edited November 2012
    I think the whole reason Kenny didn't go back up to Lee after shooting Ben was because at this stage, he had made the decision that he wanted to die. He was lamenting over his life, "I could have been a better husband, a better father, a better friend" and it felt to me like he just wanted to be with his family again. That's certainly implied if you say "Katja wouldn't want this" to him when he locks Lee outside the gate.
  • edited November 2012
    I didn't feel any pity for him, Nor his family. He killed another dude's family, So WHY Should I care for his?

    The whole group group killed another dudes family. I'm guessing your game ended when you let that dude kill Lee?
  • edited November 2012
    I didn't feel any pity for him, Nor his family. He killed another dude's family, So WHY Should I care for his?

    He made a big mistake dealing with the bandits, but he did it with good intentions.
  • edited November 2012
    Viser wrote: »
    I felt so bad for Ben throughout the entire game and I always treated him right... Ugh, why did you have to die? :'(

    Even though he didn't prove himself he at least stood up for himself for the first time, and it was epic =/

    I couldn't shake the impression that his epic rant was directed at certain audience members as much as Kenny... ;) His whole point was that it wasn't as simple as "its Ben's fault." That everything that had happened to all of them was a lot more complex and that he was a person, not just some inanimate object.
  • edited November 2012
    Poor Ben. When I went back in a second save where he was alive (yes, I originally dropped him) his "FUCK YOU KENNY" just came out of nowhere, I almost jumped. For a second I thought Kenny would rip the kid's head off, but he forgave him. Made me proud of both of them.
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    edited November 2012
    Velorian wrote: »
    I never understood why Kenny couldn't just shoot him AND escape? If I were Lee I would definitely just have shot Ben, it's really the best thing for him anyway, and better for the group.

    The way it came down felt more like Kenny committing suicide on some heroic pretext than real heroism.

    I think Kenny found it hopeless and meaningless to live, so he chose to stay. Kenny has been motivated by two factors during the whole season - his family, and driving a boat to the sea as a final solution in the apocalypse, which he sticked to all the time. With family dead and the boat gone, plus he felt sorry for Ben, it is likely he choose to sacrifice himself for Ben.
  • edited November 2012
    i felt no sympathy for ben, a lot of people lost family and loved ones hes not special. and he was a constant fuckup. and at the end he managed to do absolutely nothing for the group and even got Kenny killed.
  • edited November 2012
    The satisfaction i got from dropping Ben's ass was EPIC.Some people here were claiming Ben will do some Heroic Act in Ep5 and rid the world from Apocalypse or something.Hilarious to see him die as he lived i.e. pathetic.
  • edited November 2012
    i felt no sympathy for ben, a lot of people lost family and loved ones hes not special. and he was a constant fuckup. and at the end he managed to do absolutely nothing for the group and even got Kenny killed.

    Kenny could've ran away with Lee. Instead he did the brave choice and stuck around with the kid to use the last bullet on instead of himself.
  • edited November 2012
    marcu5 wrote: »
    how do you know he didnt?

    If you say "I'm not going anywhere!" and stay down as long as you can you can hear Kenny being eaten.
  • edited November 2012
    I was never a big fan of Ben's "contribution" to the group but I had sympathy for him.
    I'm glad I saved him in the bell tower but I did still leave him behind at the house in episode 4. I'm also glad my suspicions that he didn't really want to die but felt that he should die to pay for his mistakes turned out to be true.

    Kudos to Kenny for giving him a quick death by preventing Ben's biggest fear of being eaten alive coming true,which happens if he was dropped from the bell tower :(

    The poor kid was cursed,when the group took on the walkers at the mansion he even had less bullets in his gun than everyone else :p
  • edited November 2012
    No matter if Ben is there or not, when he sees Ben fall or sees the Walkie fall in the hole, both times he says

    "Me and my big fucking mouth..."
  • edited November 2012
    Ben... love him or hate him he still didn't do much in the end. He still messed up and got another person killed. Well... at least he was better than Larry and mister nut job who took Clem (and just like Larry nothing you do will make him happy. Even if you don't steal his food he still hates you)
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