Vernon... What the fuck?

edited November 2012 in The Walking Dead
Something I never understood in Episode 5 is how's Vernon's group stole the boat.

As far as I know, they didn't have any car to move it. And I'm sure they couldn't move it with their own bare hands.

Something I love about him that he thought getting a boat and go to the sea wasn't a good idea, but he stole it anyway. I mean, I understand wanting to getting out of Savannah, but screwing Lee and everybody up, is too much hypocrisy.

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  • edited November 2012
    This kind of thing is what we call bad writing, a very prominent feature of Episode 5.
  • edited November 2012
    He was a very good actor, methinks.
    He was planning to steal it the moment he met Lee, I'm sure.
    There's even some hints of his true intentions at ep 4 when he mentions the railroad then says nevermind.If he'd cared about Lee's group back then he would have told them about the horde coming into Savannah when he saw it,which would have definitely prompted Lee and buddies to immediately board the boat, thus ruining his plan of taking it for himself.
  • edited November 2012
    It was worth it simply for the fact that Kenny got his ass kicked by a bunch of Cancer patients. (IMG)
  • edited November 2012
    Pride wrote: »
    He was a very good actor, methinks.
    He was planning to steal it the moment he met Lee, I'm sure.
    There's even some hints of his true intentions at ep 4 when he mentions the railroad then says nevermind.If he'd cared about Lee's group back then he would have told them about the horde coming into Savannah when he saw it,which would have definitely prompted Lee and buddies to immediately board the boat, thus ruining his plan of taking it for himself.

    It finally made sense why he didn't tell us about the zombies.
  • edited November 2012
    Well Crawford was deserted. So I'm sure they could have found a working car. they also had to carry around the food and supplies they had.
  • edited November 2012
    Hell, Episode 4 proved there were working cars... I don't see a problem with them finding a vehicle, driving to the mansion, and then hooking up to the boat and heading out.
  • edited November 2012
    DreadMagus wrote: »
    Hell, Episode 4 proved there were working cars... I don't see a problem with them finding a vehicle, driving to the mansion, and then hooking up to the boat and heading out.

    Indeed, did Molly not say Crawford had been scavenging everything they could off Savannah? Surely now that Vernon and buddies knew Crawford was gone they could have easily found a working vehicle there.
  • edited November 2012
    Plus they'd have been far more familiar with the layout. Seeing as they used to be residents.
  • edited November 2012
    Cerrano wrote: »
    It was worth it simply for the fact that Kenny got his ass kicked by a bunch of Cancer patients. (IMG)

    I had Kenny come with me and Ben stay back. Ben didn't do shit though and basically just let them take it haha
  • edited November 2012
    My guess: They drove the boat on the road. :D
  • edited November 2012
    trd84 wrote: »
    It finally made sense why he didn't tell us about the zombies.

    the way i see it, i vernons frustration. they attracted thousands of zombies to an area that they could have easily secured. so it was some wise manipulating, but they still wouldn't have the man power to steal it.
  • edited November 2012
    Kenny getting his ass kicked was hilarious IMHO.

    Honestly he sucks at fighting.

    You can beat the shit out of him (Determinant)

    He gets his ass kicked by Molly.

    Cancer Patients GangBang him XD
  • edited November 2012
    Valkama wrote: »
    This kind of thing is what we call bad writing, a very prominent feature of Episode 5.

    Someone who gets it.

    I love how the cancer survivors who hated everything Crawford stood for came to steal a boat from people, doing the exact same thing Crawford would've done.

    Apparently all they had was a gun, which Lee had an option to take from Vernon so how in the fuck did they overpower Ben, Kenny, Omid, and Christa, all of which are armed and all of which I left with the boat on a second run?

    And don't feed me that "They got guns from Crawford" excuse. The armory was empty.
  • edited November 2012
    Viner16 wrote: »
    Kenny getting his ass kicked was hilarious IMHO.

    Honestly he sucks at fighting.

    You can beat the shit out of him (Determinant)

    He gets his ass kicked by Molly.

    Cancer Patients GangBang him XD

    Larry knocks the fuck out of him too if you tell him to fight him.
  • edited November 2012
    trd84 wrote: »
    Well Crawford was deserted. So I'm sure they could have found a working car. they also had to carry around the food and supplies they had.

    Only, Crawford was overrun with zombies thanks to the bell ringing. And Vernon's group didn't have many weapons. Only a pistol I can recall.
  • edited November 2012
    Doctanian wrote: »
    Someone who gets it.

    I love how the cancer survivors who hated everything Crawford stood for came to steal a boat from people, doing the exact same thing Crawford would've done.

    Apparently all they had was a gun, which Lee had an option to take from Vernon so how in the fuck did they overpower Ben, Kenny, Omid, and Christa, all of which are armed and all of which I left with the boat on a second run?

    And don't feed me that "They got guns from Crawford" excuse. The armory was empty.

    How do you know they didn't have any other guns laying around hidden in their den?

    Also, don't forget what the cop said in the beginning in the game.
    "People will up and go mad when they believe their life is over."


    They found a weak group that was about to collapse and they have a fully working boat unattended (at least when you have all of them with you)? It was clear that they would die if they stayed and they couldn't come with Lee and them because the boat was already full. They saw their chance to live another day.

    What you say isn't always what you think neither.
  • edited November 2012
    How do you know they didn't have any other guns laying around hidden in their den?


    Granted, I'm assuming they didn't have many weapons. My main reason for that is Brie or any of the others didn't reach for any other weapons. Even when Lee let his guard down (if you threaten them).

    Also, I didn't see Brie or Vernon with any weapons at the Crawford raid.

    So yeah, I'm still calling bullshit.
  • edited November 2012
    Doctanian wrote: »
    Granted, I'm assuming they didn't have many weapons. My main reason for that is Brie or any of the others didn't reach for any other weapons. Even when Lee let his guard down (if you threaten them).

    Also, I didn't see Brie or Vernon with any weapons at the Crawford raid.

    So yeah, I'm still calling bullshit.

    Yeah, that's true... It would be pretty stupid not to bring any guns to the raid if you had them... I feel like they must've still had some kind of stash somewhere. Because if you leave Kenny there with the boat and they came unarmed or with just one or two guns Kenny would've been on that "fucker in about 2 seconds". He ran at the St. Johns brother when he had a rifle pointed at him. You'd have a better chance running at an old cancer victim with a revolver.

    Kenny waving the white flag when perhaps his only ticket to survival is about to be stolen by some old folks? Yeah, right...

    Even if he had bruises when you find him I think he would've fought to his death.
  • N7.N7.
    edited November 2012
    But as I know boat was on a car!!!!! :confused::confused:
    Wasn't it ?
  • edited November 2012
    I thought the boat was on a trailer.

    For me I left Ben with the boat so it made sense to me to him getting it taken from him. I don't think it's so much poor writing, it's a poor option to allow more than 1 person to say behind to guard the boat.

    You should leave 1 or zero people and have the boat taken. Otherwise it gets odd story-wise, but if you don't let people have the choice it's a limiting factor.

    However because no one saw Vernon and his group with guns didn't mean they couldn't acquire them as they were planning to take the boat. Vernon could have been working with Lee for the sole purpose of doing something like that. After Crawford was found to have fallen perhaps that left the a power gap of sorts and let Vernon do what he had always hoped he could. Get armed and get the hell out of dodge.

    Crawford was the only thing originally keeping them all pinned down in there safe area after all.
  • edited November 2012
    How the boat was stolen. They came and pretended to be friendly. One quick pistol whip or blow to the back of the head. Take one of the working cars from where you got the oil. (there where was a working car remember and you only stole one battery?) Then just simply drive off and laugh at you.

    Even if you left everyone alive (including ben) and left them alone... Then ben would have messed things up or just simply given them the boat. As for the two couple... be nice have a chat as you check the leg's condition. Drop a sleeping pile or hit them on the back of their heads like Kenny.
  • edited November 2012
    Luizao876 wrote: »
    As far as I know, they didn't have any car to move it.

    That says it all.
  • edited November 2012
    For all we know, Molly probably knew that Vernon's planning of stealing the boat... She could've easily exchanged the battery with a broken one.
  • edited November 2012
    Another thing that confuses the hell out of me is Molly's change of heart?

    She desperately wanted a spot on the boat that she held onto the battery a little while because she thought I'd run off without her?

    All of a sudden, she wanted to Lone Wolf it?
  • K0t0K0t0 Banned
    edited November 2012
    In episode 4 it was clear they meant for him to take the train.

    They clearly changed it and it makes no sense
  • edited November 2012
    Do you picture Vernon beating the group up? If two or more people got left at the house, they could ram the doors of that crappy shed.

    Plus, Vernon proposed Lee to keep Clementine and even if you agree, like I did, he leaves and is mad at you for “losing” Clementine?
  • edited November 2012
    Yeah, this didn't seem possible. I kept doubting myself through the first half of episode 5 that Vernon stole the boat. Didn't seem like he'd be the type of person to do so. Oh well.
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