who feels bad for Ben?

edited November 2012 in The Walking Dead
if you saved ben back in crawford you get to the house and it gets kinda intense:



Kenny says that "Lee should have left your ass back in crawford, we have enough problems".
Ben replies: "FUCK YOU KENNY"
"I am so,so,SO sorry about katjaa and duck, I AM. and I know i fucked up, BUT stop pushing me around and STOP wishing I was dead.

"NO!,you know how they died, you've said GOODBYE, I never got to see my family, my little sister...do you get that?your family is gone but at least you had them to lose."

"I never made it home. They could be alive or dead or walkers or WORSE and I don't know. SO GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!"
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(I don't remember exactly what he said)

that's just sad, I feel bad for him.

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  • edited November 2012
    Yeah, I felt bad for him. And even cheered inside when he verbally curbstomped Kenny.
  • edited November 2012
    He was an important character. I was happy that in the end, he was able to make it right with Kenny.
  • edited November 2012
    Ben sucks.
    He almost got Clementine eaten, and he never even got to prove himself, which makes me saving him feel worthless.
  • edited November 2012
    Nope, he is the reason that Kenny's family is dead. Kenny wouldn't had to say goodbye to his family if he wasn't such an idiot. He also almost got Clementine killed.
  • edited November 2012
    DreadMagus wrote: »
    Yeah, I felt bad for him. And even cheered inside when he verbally curbstomped Kenny.

    I was glad he did that too, even though I like Kenny.
  • edited November 2012
    I feel bad because he was so young. That's about it.

    He screwed up way too many times. Last straw was not protecting Clementine for me. We all know had Clem been armed at that point (not sure if she knew how to shoot yet,) she would have tried to protect Ben. She thought highly of him.

    Went downhill from there. Felt like punching him myself when he said he was responsible for the whole bandit thing and what happened to Duck and Katjaa.
  • edited November 2012
    That was a really powerful line, I started to respect Ben a little more afterwords.

    I feel terrible for Ben, especially after the "For Whom the Bell Tolls" scene. I think the reason why Ben wanted Lee to drop him was so he wouldn't hurt anyone else with his actions. I mean, he's indirectly killed pretty much everyone in the group that actually cared about him. Doug and Carley were actually his friends and it's likely Katjaa was motherly towards him. Overall he indirectly caused five deaths, six if you include Molly and maybe even seven if you include Larry (he is the one who told the group that zombies come back no matter how they die). He also nearly got Clementine killed.
  • edited November 2012
    CarScar wrote: »
    Overall he indirectly caused five deaths, six if you include Molly and maybe even seven if you include Larry (he is the one who told the group that zombies come back no matter how they die)

    Alright now we're just pointing fingers!
  • edited November 2012
    Alright now we're just pointing fingers!
    Oh don't even get me started, I could twist it so Ben is the reason why Lee is dead too. :p
  • edited November 2012
    CarScar wrote: »
    Oh don't even get me started, I could twist it so Ben is the reason why Lee is dead too. :p

    actually Chuck is the reason Lee is dead
  • edited November 2012
    Yes, I felt immensely bad for him because he never intended for anyone to get hurt. I got annoyed at him a lot, but I never thought he was a bad kid or that he deserved to die. His inclusion in the game was also a vital plot point in that not everyone can be a a badass hero or useful during this time.

    Some people are just not cut out for horrible circumstances and do the best they can with what they have. Ben kept his humanity and was a good guy overall and his story is definitely a sad one in that he never even saw his family again. I'm just really glad he finally got his chance to speak his mind and finally allowed others to see him for who he really was and get off his back.
  • edited November 2012
    actually Chuck is the reason Lee is dead
    1. Ben was the reason for the bandits raid.
    2. The result of the raid was the crew leaving the motor inn.
    3. The crew then seeked refuge in Savannah.
    4. Lee then got bit in Savannah.
    • Or you could blame Ben's teacher for he's the reason why Ben joined the group in the first place.
    • Or you could actually blame Glenn because he's the one that knew about the motor inn in the first place.
    • Or maybe you could actually blame Duck because he's the reason why you left Hershel's farm and going to Macon which would then result in you going to the motor inn where you will meet Ben.
    • Or you could actually blame Shawn for he's the one that drove you to Hershel's farm which would result in you meeting Kenny and his family, with whom you would catch a ride to Macon.
    • Or you could actually blame the police officer 'cause he drove you to an area close to Clementine's house.
    • Or you could blame Lee because he's the one who got in trouble, leading him to get arrested and then get the ride with the police officer.
    • Or actually you could blame the state senator for his actions led to Lee murdering him, making him a criminal.
    • Or maybe you could blame Lee's wife because she consented to sleeping with the state senator.
    Basically Lee's ex-wife caused Lee's death.
  • edited November 2012
    CarScar wrote: »
    1. Ben was the reason for the bandits raid.
    2. The result of the raid was the crew leaving the motor inn.
    3. The crew then seeked refuge in Savannah.
    4. Lee then got bit in Savannah.
    • Or you could blame Ben's teacher for he's the reason why Ben joined the group in the first place.
    • Or you could actually blame Glenn because he's the one that knew about the motor inn in the first place.
    • Or maybe you could actually blame Duck because he's the reason why you left Hershel's farm and going to Macon which would then result in you going to the motor inn where you will meet Ben.
    • Or you could actually blame Shawn for he's the one that drove you to Hershel's farm which would result in you meeting Kenny and his family, with whom you would catch a ride to Macon.
    • Or you could actually blame the police officer 'cause he drove you to an area close to Clementine's house.
    • Or you could blame Lee because he's the one who got in trouble, leading him to get arrested and then get the ride with the police officer.
    • Or actually you could blame the state senator for his actions led to Lee murdering him, making him a criminal.
    • Or maybe you could blame Lee's wife because she consented to sleeping with the state senator.
    Basically Lee's ex-wife caused Lee's death.

    chuck indirecly told you your destiny
  • edited November 2012
    i felt bad for him, but not when he took the pick out of the door to let the zombies enter crawford. did he not see the zombies or use his imagination as to why it would be there in the first place?
  • edited November 2012
    Oddly enough i dont. I saved him at crawford because my playthrough had him being super good morale and i wasnt gonna kill anyone or let them die. Even at the end i just felt that ben was that character who came in to tell everyone else the truth about the infection and then be killed off later knowing his purpose had been done. If anything id be more sad that we didnt see molly again or that lily left the episode before.
  • edited November 2012
    CarScar wrote: »
    1. Ben was the reason for the bandits raid.
    2. The result of the raid was the crew leaving the motor inn.
    3. The crew then seeked refuge in Savannah.
    4. Lee then got bit in Savannah.
    • Or you could blame Ben's teacher for he's the reason why Ben joined the group in the first place.
    • Or you could actually blame Glenn because he's the one that knew about the motor inn in the first place.
    • Or maybe you could actually blame Duck because he's the reason why you left Hershel's farm and going to Macon which would then result in you going to the motor inn where you will meet Ben.
    • Or you could actually blame Shawn for he's the one that drove you to Hershel's farm which would result in you meeting Kenny and his family, with whom you would catch a ride to Macon.
    • Or you could actually blame the police officer 'cause he drove you to an area close to Clementine's house.
    • Or you could blame Lee because he's the one who got in trouble, leading him to get arrested and then get the ride with the police officer.
    • Or actually you could blame the state senator for his actions led to Lee murdering him, making him a criminal.
    • Or maybe you could blame Lee's wife because she consented to sleeping with the state senator.
    Basically Lee's ex-wife caused Lee's death.

    we should blame clementine because she caused the deaths of Lee, Kenny, and Ben.
  • edited November 2012
    Everyone loves to point fingers at ben. Acidents happen.
  • edited November 2012
    zeke10 wrote: »
    Everyone loves to point fingers at ben. Accidents happen.

    That's what ben's father said.
  • edited November 2012
    That's what ben's father said.
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  • edited November 2012
    It really wasn't Ben's fault the bandits attacked. They would have attacked sooner if they hadn't cut a deal. And what would have been the result? They still would have had to have left the Inn, people could have died in the shooting/zombie raid like they did as it was.

    The only thing different is that you have someone to blame it on. Just because Ben thinks its his fault doesn't mean it is.

    Maybe if he had come forward and said something about the bandits, the group could have been a little more prepared. Maybe they could have just up and gone. But the bandits were keeping close watch on them. They could have struck at any moment.
  • edited November 2012
    Saracenar wrote: »
    It really wasn't Ben's fault the bandits attacked. They would have attacked sooner if they hadn't cut a deal. And what would have been the result? They still would have had to have left the Inn, people could have died in the shooting/zombie raid like they did as it was.

    The only thing different is that you have someone to blame it on. Just because Ben thinks its his fault doesn't mean it is.

    Maybe if he had come forward and said something about the bandits, the group could have been a little more prepared. Maybe they could have just up and gone. But the bandits were keeping close watch on them. They could have struck at any moment.
    The whole reason that they were attacked was because Lee unknowingly removed the package from the place. Had he informed the rest of the group about this deal, the whole thing could have been avoided. It is his fault since he failed to inform everyone else. There is no excuse for him not to tell the others.
  • edited November 2012
    Saracenar wrote: »
    It really wasn't Ben's fault the bandits attacked. They would have attacked sooner if they hadn't cut a deal. And what would have been the result? They still would have had to have left the Inn, people could have died in the shooting/zombie raid like they did as it was.

    The only thing different is that you have someone to blame it on. Just because Ben thinks its his fault doesn't mean it is.

    Maybe if he had come forward and said something about the bandits, the group could have been a little more prepared. Maybe they could have just up and gone. But the bandits were keeping close watch on them. They could have struck at any moment.
    I agree, although in a somewhat roundabout way it was still his fault. Giving the bandits supplies assumingly lulled the group into a false sense of security and when they finally came weren't as prepared as they should have been. They did survive previous attacks quite efficiently and didn't seem as prepared as they should have been when the bandits attacked (they all got captured in a manner of seconds). That's mostly speculation though. Hm, although, when you think about it, the attack would have never happened if he only told he group about his dealings, then Lee wouldn't have fucked with the bag.

    He did however cause Carley's death in whatever way you look at it. He:

    A. Didn't tell Lilly that it was him. I get it, Ben's scared of her, but while his friends (Lee and Carley) were defending him he was flat out lying to everyone... if only he took the noble route and told Lilly, then I would have more respect for him.

    B. The reason why Lilly went crazy was because of her paranoia about someone giving the bandits supplies. If Ben didn't betray the group Lilly wouldn't go nuts, and wouldn't have shot Carley.

    Although, overall, Ben gets too much hate. Usually when I hate on him it's usually jokingly, I actually really like him. He's a very realistic character, he's probably how any teenager would act in this situation.
  • edited November 2012
    Yeah I mainly just jokingly make fun of ben. He's one of the most realistic characters in the game. It's just upsetting he didn't do this thing called "communication." It's this neat thing you do even as a baby but learn to do through talking when around age 2/3.
  • edited November 2012
    CarScar wrote: »
    I agree, although in a somewhat roundabout way it was still his fault. Giving the bandits supplies assumingly lulled the group into a false sense of security and when they finally came weren't as prepared as they should have been. They did survive previous attacks quite efficiently and didn't seem as prepared as they should have been when the bandits attacked (they all got captured in a manner of seconds). That's mostly speculation though. Hm, although, when you think about it, the attack would have never happened if he only told he group about his dealings, then Lee wouldn't have fucked with the bag.

    He did however cause Carley's death in whatever way you look at it. He:

    A. Didn't tell Lilly that it was him. I get it, Ben's scared of her, but while his friends (Lee and Carley) were defending him he was flat out lying to everyone... if only he took the noble route and told Lilly, then I would have more respect for him.

    B. The reason why Lilly went crazy was because of her paranoia about someone giving the bandits supplies. If Ben didn't betray the group Lilly wouldn't go nuts, and wouldn't have shot Carley.

    Although, overall, Ben gets too much hate. Usually when I hate on him it's usually jokingly, I actually really like him. He's a very realistic character, he's probably how any teenager would act in this situation.

    lilly killed carley, not ben, the end.
  • edited November 2012
    The whole reason that they were attacked was because Lee unknowingly removed the package from the place. Had he informed the rest of the group about this deal, the whole thing could have been avoided. It is his fault since he failed to inform everyone else. There is no excuse for him not to tell the others.

    Granted, things could have gone differently if he had have spoken up, but it's easy to say that its all his fault. I guess, it is partly his fault, but it's not like coming clean would have solved all their problems. The bandits were still out there.
  • edited November 2012
    Saracenar wrote: »
    Granted, things could have gone differently if he had have spoken up, but it's easy to say that its all his fault. I guess, it is partly his fault, but it's not like coming clean would have solved all their problems. The bandits were still out there.

    No, but they would have had a much better chance of getting out of that situation unscratched. They managed to fend the bandits off before and survive. The group was led into a false sense of security.
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