What the F***, Kenny?!!
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Okay, now I just wanna start off by saying that I really liked Kenny (as most people do, I hear) during episode 1, hell he got on my nerves a bit at the end bit of Ep.2 where he chicken-shited out in the barn while I almost took Danny's rifle to the face, and I of course felt for the poor guy in ep.3, we all know what happened there so I won't bother retelling it... I just finished playing through ep.4 and Kenny told me that he refused to help me rescue Clementine because I've proven that I'm all about saving myself... SAVING MYSELF?!!? The guy who's bit and STILL wants to save a little kid even though he knows that he's going to die soon does NOT strike me as selfish, Kenny!
So I started thinking what could have set this way of thinking off for old Ken? We were basically BFFs right up until... Ep.2!! :eek:
All right, now I'm pissed, I saved Kenny's son Duck from walkers on Hershal's farm, I defended his whole family from that asshole Larry in the drugstore, I fed his son and Clem the rations at the start of ep.2 (which he said was great), I saved his wife AND his son from the St. John's brothers and their crazy ass mom, I told both Kenny AND his wife about my past to show that I trusted them, I fed and looked out for Duck AGAIN after he got bit at the Motor Inn, I killed not one, but TWO kid walkers so far because Kenny couldn't do it (truth be told I didn't want him to shoot his son though, that really is something that no parent should have to do, so I'll let that one slide), and I'M the bad guy here?!!? WHY?! Because I decided that I wouldn't murder Larry in cold blood until I was SURE that he couldn't be saved?! That's why you won't help me save an eight year old girl from what I'm pretty sure is either a petophial or a killer? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you, Kenny! (by the way, every time I say his name I say it like Cartman from South Park, just FYI
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Okay, got that out of my system now, but seriously am I alone in this thought process here? I really want to know because the whole thing seems kind of ridiculous to me at this point in the game.
.... thoughts?
Okay, now I just wanna start off by saying that I really liked Kenny (as most people do, I hear) during episode 1, hell he got on my nerves a bit at the end bit of Ep.2 where he chicken-shited out in the barn while I almost took Danny's rifle to the face, and I of course felt for the poor guy in ep.3, we all know what happened there so I won't bother retelling it... I just finished playing through ep.4 and Kenny told me that he refused to help me rescue Clementine because I've proven that I'm all about saving myself... SAVING MYSELF?!!? The guy who's bit and STILL wants to save a little kid even though he knows that he's going to die soon does NOT strike me as selfish, Kenny!
So I started thinking what could have set this way of thinking off for old Ken? We were basically BFFs right up until... Ep.2!! :eek:
All right, now I'm pissed, I saved Kenny's son Duck from walkers on Hershal's farm, I defended his whole family from that asshole Larry in the drugstore, I fed his son and Clem the rations at the start of ep.2 (which he said was great), I saved his wife AND his son from the St. John's brothers and their crazy ass mom, I told both Kenny AND his wife about my past to show that I trusted them, I fed and looked out for Duck AGAIN after he got bit at the Motor Inn, I killed not one, but TWO kid walkers so far because Kenny couldn't do it (truth be told I didn't want him to shoot his son though, that really is something that no parent should have to do, so I'll let that one slide), and I'M the bad guy here?!!? WHY?! Because I decided that I wouldn't murder Larry in cold blood until I was SURE that he couldn't be saved?! That's why you won't help me save an eight year old girl from what I'm pretty sure is either a petophial or a killer? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you, Kenny! (by the way, every time I say his name I say it like Cartman from South Park, just FYI
)Okay, got that out of my system now
, but seriously am I alone in this thought process here? I really want to know because the whole thing seems kind of ridiculous to me at this point in the game..... thoughts?
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Pedophile.
Promise I'm not a troll or a grammar nazi.
Pretty same playthrough, here.
I wrote these on many threads as I'm the most antiKenny player in the world.
In my opinion, Ben was not our true loser in the whole game but Kenny was. He REALLY really really screwed by killing Larry in cold blood and started some series of a chain reaction from that moment. He caused the whole group scattered. Yeah, I'm with you to death; F.ck Kenny.
By the way, it is not necessary to argue on that jerk no more, as we all got rid of him at last(I HOPE SO!).
And at least I CAN get him on my side unlike Lilly who shoots Carely and steals your RV and leaves everyone to die no matter what you do.
Which is better than I could ever say about Lilly.
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Not to mention that he actually sees you as a Larry situation, kinda suggesting that they should be ready to smash your head.
Do you think that if Kenny kills you before you get to Clementine, any of them would be able to?
I'm pretty sure that if it were only Kenny and you in the attic, he would totally destroy your brain once you black out.
WhiterNinja, you are not alone at all. Check this topic out http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30858
Just be careful, cause there are a lot of spoilers in the later pages.
Ah, The infamous Lilly fan. What could we expect?
And Kenny was much better than Lilly. He actually didn't steal the RV and gtfo. So, Yeah. Enough reasons.
Nope never abandoned me.
Also the man reached the end of his tether (his family DID die horribly a few days ago)and couldn't give up on the kid, especially after learning about his family. I remember Kenny said something like "I either save the kid or I get to see her again". Besides between Lee, Omid and Christa, Clem had enough help. Kenny also shows his true colours when he rescues Christa if Ben is dead. What's worse anyway, Kenny dieing to save Christa or Ben or even killing himself or Lilly stealing the groups only mode of transport after Lee had just shown her mercy and basically giving the group a big middle finger.
And the whole "Kenny was totally about to kill you" argument is crap because he doesn't. I sat in the attic knowing that he wouldn't kill me and guess what? He didn't. He threw the statue head at the wall. He was under huge stress and was freaking out.
And why does he get demonized for trying to save someone's life? He actually DID try to fight the walkers and save Ben. He jumps down into the room with no thought when Christa is in danger and actually does save her life at the cost of his own. Does everybody but Kenny deserve redemption? Does Kenny even get to do anything right without him being demonized for it?
Rock114, I think you can have ammo if you haven't wasted all of it.
I can't get why saving Christa is such a big deal to you. Isn't he the one who pushes Lee and makes him drop the walkie? Isn't Christa the one to actually go down without any questions, fixing the issue the Kenny caused? Yeah, it is good that he fixes his mistake, but nothing more.
As for Ben death, he could've finished him and survived, thus helping us with Clem instead of just giving up (the opposite of what he was talking about 5 minutes ago).
QuarterPounderVlad, I don't have anything to say to you. I'm not interested in your personal insults, so don't bother talking to me.
Wrighty, I think that we have long ago understood that my Lilly and Kenny and yours have almost nothing in common.
I personally got bored about that Kenny issue so my friend, Yami, please let them not understand what you were talking about. Because it doesn't seem for anyone to get this, as they really couldn't read Kenny right along five long episodes. I'm not expecting them better.
Everytime the same thing, "Lilly stole the RV", "Lilly killed innocent Carley"...
So what?
For Kennylovers, please try to remember the actions of that "Kenny-o-loser" during the whole game. I'm tired to list them here. Maybe then, you can give up mentioning only two sins of Lilly. (which were never influenced my Lee and my playthrough as bad as Kenny's forcing actions and terrible faults).
Truly, he is not a "guy" to spend so many sentences, but I'm adding happily that I'm grateful he is gone at last.
I find it hilarious how it seems like you pass off Lilly's "two sins" as if it were nothing. She killed an innocent lady as well as betrayed her group. Those two crimes are a lot worse then anything Kenny has done, in my opinion.
Mind you I'm saying this as a huge Lilly supporter.
Unfortunately it's not possible to keep any ammo. The only one who could possibly save his would be Lee, but he drops his gun climbing the ladder.
I think it was totally legit of Kenny to bring up the issue. Didn't like the tone of his voice but I would assume the whole groups adrenalin level was way beyond the top at that point, I know mine was.
The way Kenny (or Lee, depending) threw the statue at the wall showed really well how not to totally crack and kill someone in the heat of the moment, but to vent his aggression and frustration.
Both Lilly and Kenny are flawed. Everybody who knows me here is aware that for me personally, Kenny is much more flawed and annoying.
You say Lilly kills an innocent lady and betrays her group. Well in my perspective, the group was already betrayed twice. Once by Kenny who killed one of his own (cause it was easier to deal with and it suited his goals better) and by Ben who ruined their home.
At this point I already knew the group was over.
You know I might have respected Kenny more if he killed his son right away. He was pretending to be tough and doing the hard decision in ep. 2 but when it came to his family, he was pathetic. He almost let Duck turn on the train. In my book that shows how much of a hypocrite Kenny is. It is easy to kill other people's loved ones and call it survival and having the balls to make tough choices, but when it comes to you, all of a sudden we are looking for a pill that can cure Duck. I'm sorry I can't respect such a man.
Here is something else to think about. Kenny fucked up really hard (ep.2 ) while being in perfect mental condition.
Lilly fucked up in (ep. 3) after being dealt a serious of huge traumas (Larry's death, the betrayal of the group, being attack and leaving all the supplies they've been gathering for the past month).
Nope, I don't think so.
Can you blame that woman for behaving straight? I'm saying again, I'm not supporting Lilly for what she has done BUT I respect her actions because they are pure, unplanned and not slippy.
She questioned herself about going on with the group and she came to a decision. She decided to run away and she left the group according to some unfortunate chain events. At least she left by herself. Man she made me no trouble. She didn't stick to my ass according to her needs. What if she stayed with my group with her own will and still she made some "how we fucked up", "how it is all going to end", "how clever is drinking" etc. themed speech? God bless she didn't.
And Kenny? He really really really ruined my whole journey with his annoying discussions. He was always unhappy and he always killed the mood. He was a heavy burden himself to carry around. You'll see what a big problem he is if you simply don't support his thoughts. And whatever you do, you'll not save yourself from his charges, his ungrateful attitude and his suicidal mood.
Still I can't see Lilly a criminal for what she did, but I see her as a victim of unthrustworthy(Ben), unrespectful(Kenny) and mentalzero(Carley) people around her.
I'm saying again, as a player none of her actions caused me trouble with my playthrough as Kenny's actions did.
Mind you I'm saying this as a player who could keep Lee to remain calm with Kenny dialogs during Episode 5.
!THIS IS!
And please add "drinking while a little girl entrusted to his safekeeping was missing" part to that character analysis.
As Lilly herself puts it:
"What if [we couldn't get the train running]? It'd be the same as slipping into your bedroom at night and slitting your throat." I agree, he did make the journey horrible and annoying. I remained mostly neutral during the Kenny / Lilly disputes and didn't help him kill Larry and he still acted like a total bitch too me. I helped save his family countless times and he still treated me like shit. At least he admits that he was a dick though, I really wish Lilly would have done that about what she did too Carley... a simple sorry would have sufficed at least.
"I could've been a better husband... a better father... could've been a better friend."
I can't stress this enough, Kenny was not suicidal. He was strongly devoted against the thought. He went out trying to protect the ones he cared about, and in this case it was either Ben or Christa. Yeah he could have just shot Ben and left, but even if there was a sliver of a chance that he could have saved Ben he'd take it. I bet you even if he had two bullets in his gun he would not have shot himself, he'd go out swinging trying to survive. It's demonstrated with his Christa sacrifice, he has more bullets during that scene and he uses them to kill walkers and not on himself.
"You shouldn't just end it. You stick it out, and help the folks you care about."
"I either save the kid or I get to see her again."
I can understand with Ben and Kenny, they both did wrong. Carley though... All she did was defend her friend and herself, does that merit being killed? No. Her killing Carley devastated me... I mean I helped Lilly way more then I helped Kenny and yet she goes against my words ("there's no way it was Carley," "Carley is trustworthy") and shoots her because of an insult. Didn't she know what Carley meant to Lee? You'd think she'd give him the benefit of the doubt after everything I did for her.
Alas I still like Lilly considerably more than Kenny. At least she wasn't a dick too me all the time.
The group as a whole wasn't really betrayed until ep 3 though. It's stretching it to say that Lilly was betrayed let alone the whole group in the meatlocker. Also I can think of perfectly good reasons for killing Larry that involve everyone's safety. Putting Larry and Lilly's feelings before his familys safety would make Kenny a bad father in my eyes. You say he fucked up really hard? Whats worse than killing alive Larry? He about not killing zombie Larry and getting everyoe killed. THATS a much bigger fuckup. And again I can understand why Ben dealt with the bandits: he was scared and he thought they had his friend
I can't understand why Lilly shoots Carely and steals the RV and its hilarious how people blow off what she did as just two bad things and say its okay because the group sucked anyway and she had seen her dad die.
Also Yami you think since Kenny didn't immediately kill his bitten son that makes him a hypocrite and a bad person? Please. Not wanting to give up in his son makes him human. I didn't expect Lilly to make the right choice and kill Larry, that's what me and Kenny were for.
Also the whole Kenny saving Christa is important because after he accidentally knocks the wallow talkie in the hole, he saves her life. I think some people are just determined to ignore all the good in Kenny and all the bad in Lilly.
Pretty the same with everything you mentioned.
The only difference I never believed Kenny with his confessions. I think Telltale just tried to place a "guilty but in the end paying his debts" kinda guy into the story. But it just didn't work for me. I mean, I never see him bearing this role.
I called Carley as "mentalzero" cause it didn't sound me clever to slap insults "to someone with a gun"s face that easily.
And it is hilarious to me that you see Kenny may have right with his son while Lilly may not have any right about his father?
It is all about the perspective, man. If you felt terrible when he busted Larry's face in front of her daughter like me, you'd be pleased and smile after her when she stole Kenny's RV.
Honestly, I never got angry with Lilly for being that badass, as Kenny deserved payback.
And LeeME was so sure that I can make that train work, so no harm done.
"Lee, man... you know I care about Clementine. And I'm a Christian man. But I keep asking myself, if this was me asking you for help, asking you to put your life on the line would you be there for me?"
After he said that I got so angry at him. The only times, that were important, where I hadn't helped Kenny out was in the meat locker and concerning Beatrice (I shot her to put her out of her misery). Just because of those two times you think I wouldn't be there for you? When I've been there to save your family at every possible interval?
But then episode 5 came and I forgave Kenny... it's a testament to Telltale's abilities. They made a character I hated with a passion to someone I actually understood and forgave. That's what I like about Carley. She went out defending her friend. She could have stopped, yes, but that's not who Carley is. She's loyal. I also don't think Carley would have been able to predict Lilly shooting her. Despite their disputes, they've been together for a long time, there had to have been some trust there (or at least on Carley's side). I mean if someone like Kenny trusted her, I bet you Carley would have trusted her too.
"Yeah Lilly and I have our problems, but I don't distrust her."
Your question places Lilly on a golden throne as she was the ultimate legislator or something. Her words were not execution itself and if I were Carley, I'd try to remain calm against her blames. If it is not enough, I could play my cards(my vote) on Lilly as she played on me.
Or I could try to reason with her, maybe I'd try to look like I'm convinced there is a traitor. And whatever it takes, I'd suggest her to discuss this at a later time (as Lee offered).
OR I could try to touch her to make her calm. You know, touching helps to kill the tension in such conditions.
Whatever I choose, I know I wouldn't choose to insult someone with a gun.
I'm not that crazy
I wish I could do the same.
I didn't believe him (as me) BUT I still remained calm (as Lee). As if it was just because my Lee NEVER gave up watching his back, and I think I made choices with dialogs according to Lee's vision much more than me myself.
I don't know, maybe some part of me deeply desires his help for rescue mission of Clem. But the thing I'm sure is I ALWAYS want anybody possible to survive no matter who they are or what they did, in videogames. I saw myself dying many times during the final boss fight while trying to rescue another team member in RES.EVIL- Outbreak series.
:P
I think you summed up a flawed man named Kenny very well. This post is worthy of being on the fuck Kenny thread if you wouldn't mind posting it there as well.
I do give you credit for seeing Kenny for what he is rather than trying to figure out how to fix your broken game. Others posted similar comments but did not see Kenny's flaws only seeking a way to trick him into going with you after he already said he would not.
Ultimately, Clem's safety is your responsibility. This road is a dangerous one and if a person does not love Clem then they don't need to go with you. Tell Kenny to go fuck himself...that's what I did.
*watches replies*
I still hate that he let me go off after Clem on my own just because of the ONE moment where we disagreed with killing Larry in the meat locker, but after he rejoined the group, and after he got a serious wake up call from Ben (yes, I pulled Ben up instead of letting him go), we were able to finally hash things out and we basically forgave and forgot everything up to that point and we were basically BFFs again!
... then he died... :eek: KENNY, NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Well, he APPARENTLY died anyhow, a lot of people think that he MAYBE could have made it out and will reappear in Season2 (figures crossed I guess, but honesty I'd be pretty surprised), but the POINT is that Kenny had finally shown his true colors once again, he tried to save Ben, he saved me and he told me to go save Clem
Kenny, you were a guy who lost everything, but you still turned out to be a good guy and a good friend in the end.
Kenny
Dude.
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I love you so much.