New gameplay in season 2?
I know you are all familiar with and love TWD as it is, but I also partially agree with those who say that this game was more like an interactive movie than a game.
It blew my mind that this game beat out games like Dishonored and Halo 4 for game of the year. But when I thought about it, it really deserved the win, no matter what the reason. So how strong do you guys think this game could get if season 2 showed an actual increase in "game" like features?
Without straying from the initial, well set-up point-and-click gameplay with scene-to-scene activity, what if Telltale were to give us some slightly more complex options? It might even help *gasp* change the outcome of our decisions! Or at least help strengthen the illusion of choice.
For example, during the game we switch to a scene that takes place in a wide open area, like a city or a field. In the middle of it, such as when we stopped to roam around and solve puzzles with Lee in season one, we can roam around in a much wider area. Not only that, but say we're traversing this area alone, or with Clementine if she's still a little girl we need to protect. In this wide-roaming area, we can be given the option to wield and use a gun. Switching from interacting with or without a gun can change our interaction options, so we can click on the option of a phone in the middle of a street without a gun to use it, or switch to a gun and click on the option of a zombie head to interact with it with a bullet. At the end of the scene, when we've eliminated all zombies and solved all the puzzles, things like how many bullets you have left effect the outcome of the story just as much as dialogue options do. Most importantly though, again, if Clementine is a little girl we still have to protect, we can probably feel an even stronger connection to Clem if we protect her with our own skill and ability!
TL;DR, Wide open areas and active threats that can be approached multiple ways might strengthen the gameplay in TTWD if they can properly meld it with the story tailoring, but also limit this gameplay to a single, maybe two scenes, and everything else is strictly TTWD classic gameplay.
P.S. I just thought of this, but I would also love to see characters move around and be active a bit themselves while we're exploring instead of just standing or sitting around like lumps on a log.
Thoughts?
It blew my mind that this game beat out games like Dishonored and Halo 4 for game of the year. But when I thought about it, it really deserved the win, no matter what the reason. So how strong do you guys think this game could get if season 2 showed an actual increase in "game" like features?
Without straying from the initial, well set-up point-and-click gameplay with scene-to-scene activity, what if Telltale were to give us some slightly more complex options? It might even help *gasp* change the outcome of our decisions! Or at least help strengthen the illusion of choice.
For example, during the game we switch to a scene that takes place in a wide open area, like a city or a field. In the middle of it, such as when we stopped to roam around and solve puzzles with Lee in season one, we can roam around in a much wider area. Not only that, but say we're traversing this area alone, or with Clementine if she's still a little girl we need to protect. In this wide-roaming area, we can be given the option to wield and use a gun. Switching from interacting with or without a gun can change our interaction options, so we can click on the option of a phone in the middle of a street without a gun to use it, or switch to a gun and click on the option of a zombie head to interact with it with a bullet. At the end of the scene, when we've eliminated all zombies and solved all the puzzles, things like how many bullets you have left effect the outcome of the story just as much as dialogue options do. Most importantly though, again, if Clementine is a little girl we still have to protect, we can probably feel an even stronger connection to Clem if we protect her with our own skill and ability!
TL;DR, Wide open areas and active threats that can be approached multiple ways might strengthen the gameplay in TTWD if they can properly meld it with the story tailoring, but also limit this gameplay to a single, maybe two scenes, and everything else is strictly TTWD classic gameplay.
P.S. I just thought of this, but I would also love to see characters move around and be active a bit themselves while we're exploring instead of just standing or sitting around like lumps on a log.
Thoughts?
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So, if you saved Carley in episode 1 then episode 2 has Carley and the Doug branch is closed unless you start a new game and buy the episode with Doug. In this way it's possible that the Carley branch takes you to Ft. Benning while the Doug branch takes you to Savannah. The story could then change again depending if you left Lilly or had her get back in the RV. So forth and so on. One person could ultimately have a story that takes them to Woodbury while another lands on an island near the Florida Keys. Of course, Lee still dies at the end of e5 but you get the idea.
I liked the game as is but I only had one playthrough with no rewinds. To me the choices mattered and the story was enjoyable. I was happily unaware of what would happen if I selected the other choices/dialogue options. But I can see how others wanted to see that choosing something else changed the story radically. That's not what this game is but does not mean it can't be that for season 2.
$160 for the entire game F*ck that, that sounds like DLC at it's worst
Yeah, that would be... really expensive. There's a smarter way to go about something like that, I think.
The gameplay does need some improvement, in my opinion, but I wouldn't really mind if it didn't change in Season two. I didn't really like that idea, either, but I haven't really got any ideas when it comes to gameplay, lol.
this won't work in practice imagine there are 3 important decisions with 2 options each which would change the story in episode 1. then you need 2^3 episodes 2. same for episode 2, then you need 2^6 (64) versions of ep 3
additionally most players wouldnt buy 2 alternative stories (unless the second one is much cheeper), so ttg wont make much profit for these efforts. the will to play the game again would be still weak. now you will see the same again and then you would have to pay again, you could as well buy a new game then.
anyway, i'd really like that season 2 has some much different ways how the story can end. the gameplay in season 1 is ok imo, but not as good as in other games (like heavy rain, dead island, resident evil). but please dont make a shooter, there are enough of them
Best post yet.
I like that it plays as an interactive movie. There's nothing lacking to me.
Keep in mind that one complete story only costs $25. Costs start going up if you want to explore what happens with the other options that are available. If you say wanted to go to Ft. Benning AND go to the Keys then download those other DLC's. Otherwise just stick with one path and have a great story.
Unless I misunderstood, when playing the game there is a demand that other choices alter the game significantly. You want your choices to change the world as it were. So, based on your choices you get a different episode. At the end of the story, your computer has 5 episodes and you paid $25 and your choices really affected the game.
Now, only if you want to experience what happened in the "other" choices is it time to shell out more money.
- Remove the invisible walls. I hated when Lee just couldn't walk to an area because of an invisible wall that limited the walkable area. I would really like to see more space for walking with actual physical or at reasonable limits.
- Increased texture resolution. While I really loved the visual style of the game, it was kind of disappointing when a close up to a zombie would show their skin as a bunch of blurry pixels.
- Improve the FPS parts so it would feel more like modern FPS games. When I was shooting zombies, I felt that I could just click anywhere on the screen and the zombies would just die. Being a Left 4 Dead fan, I would have love it if it felt a little bit more like that.
I guess I'm just saying that there are some cool stuff about AAA games that maybe could be carried over to adventure games. Telltale did a great job with characters, story, audio and visual style. Other companies have done a great jobs with graphics and sense of immersion, I would like to see a game that can take the best of both worlds. I think usually it's a matter of money, but now that TWD is such a big hit, maybe it can be done.
EDIT: I just remembered something I thought when I was playing episode 4. When you first enter the house, you're told that you have to check if the first floor was safe, and you go around checking doors. I thought it would be cool if you could sometimes "fail" (really fail as a the player, not just as part of the story) on the tasks that were given to you. Maybe if you didn't check a specific window, a zombie might come up, and maybe that could cause someone to die and make a specific puzzle harder in the future or something.
Most of the control you have on the game is based on decisions and then you have to live with the consequences. I would like to see the story not only influenced by decisions, but also by success/failure to accomplish things.
But there's always room for an improvement. I think the sometime jerky animations should be redone.
But more importantly... There should be more mini-games. More things to do.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY. More dialogue.
More dialogue. More talk. More backstory. More character involvement.
Now it's more like
*Choose dialogue option*
*Lee talks*
*Person talks*
*Lee answers something predetermined*
*Person talks*
*Lee answers*
*Person talks*
*Lee answers*
*"SEE YA."*
What if they let the player chose each response? Would it be too messy to work? It would be a whole lotta more work for the voice actors but I would certainly not mind more.
But anyway, it's good the way it is now too but it REALLY needs MORE dialogue. Not only the very important bits but also more of the regular "What do you think about all this?" chat about recent happenings in the game.
More about pre-apocalypse stuff. More about the characters themselves and their backgrounds.
"Relationship-statuses" for all characters. If you befriend someone you can take part of their thoughts and perhaps secrets... Like you could get friendly and unfriendly responses from Ben. If you're not friendly towards him you won't get to hear about what he has to say or some could-be-vital-information he has to share. If you're friends with Ben but at the same time friends with Kenny, Ben might not want to tell you his thoughts or secrects because he doesn't want Kenny to know and etc.
Not to turn this game in to some kind of Sims game but just... more involvement with the characters. More features.
Side-quests that you don't really have to do like finding a battery for someone... Like repairing the swing on St. John's farm. It might give you a reward later on. Different dialogue options.
and BRAINSTORMING IN THIS BITCH and I will probably change my mind about some of this stuff when I read it later
You mean the middle class right
umm.. Sure, yeah, why not.
i wouldn't see it as a complete game for $25 i would see it as part of the game for $25 and the whole game for $160, and if that hardened all the good will for telltale i had would be gone, bridges would be burned (or nuked) and i wouldn't buy the game.
the other choices are part of the game, if they were DLC i would seriously be hating on telltale not thinking what they had done was amazing.
Well, that is a LOT of choices that really affect the way your game plays out. If this solution works but now the cost is an issue then just reduce choice. Say only 4 choices really alter the story significantly, as opposed to which characters now like or dislike you, now a complete story play through with choices that really change the story costs $25 and a "complete" game with 4 DLC's now sets you back another $20. Now a "complete" game costs $45 that's a lot easier on the pocket book.
i want the whole game when i buy it, DLC can go F*ck itself, seriously
He he. You do get the whole game, well one episode at a time of course. Maybe the DLC is the wrong terminology to describe how, in theory, this would work. After episode 1 is complete, the program, based on the choices you made,then downloads the next episode for your game so forth and so on. When your game is done there are 4 alternate episodes that you never played because of the choices made during your game. Let's say you played the "A" path and these unused episodes are for the "B" path.
All I'm saying is if you wanted to see what happens on the "B" path you can by buying those episodes.
i don't know if i am explaining why i hate DLC so much (it doesn't matter what you call it it's the same thing) i would not have bought TWD as episodes, it would be like buying a demo, and that is what the game you are describing sounds like to me, it sounds like i would buy the demo then have to buy the game, i don't do subscription based MMO's because to me it's like buying the same game every month
It's okay, I have faith in Telltale. I'm sure they can pull off anything now.
I have more faith in Telltale than that, but I'm a single soul.
This guy gets it. I'm happy with things the way they are and TT should just concentrate on the story and the characters.
But surely you get tired of just clicking on options at some point, right?
Nope. :P
Honestly I wouldn't really mind a little bit of variety but as long as the story is good I won't even notice or care. Besides what if TT makes a mistake and makes it frustrating/stupid.
It would be a frustrating/stupid mistake to re-hash the same old choices and options. I mean, I might really end up getting tired of a choice between "Person A" or "Person B." That was what season 1 was all about. Season two can have hard choices as well, but I'll be disappointed if that's all we get. Gameplay is a large part of what makes the story good to follow in the first place. If all you want is a good story, go watch a movie or read a book.