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Any one know why Katjaa killed herself?

dancingwithvodkadancingwithvodka
edited January 2013 in The Walking Dead
Was it as simple as the fact that Duck was bitten and she couldnt live without him?

Dont your think she would have wanted to live for Kenny?

Thoughts?

Comments

  • DreadMagusDreadMagus
    edited January 2013
    If she had wanted to live, I doubt she'd have taken a bullet breakfast.
  • CarScarCarScar
    edited January 2013
    It's a combination, I think. Katjaa was losing hope in the world. With the dead walking around, the St. Johns incident, and her husband becoming more and more dickish, further away from the man she originally married. I think Duck being bitten was just what tipped her over the edge.

    "Everything keeps changing..."
  • JordyLichtJordyLicht
    edited January 2013
    A combination of what the world has become and the difficulty in living in it and losing her son. Parents who lose children are complete wrecks; throw in the stress of being able to die at any minute and knowing you'll be a zombie no matter what, and the thought of suicide becomes more and more interesting.
  • SutinenSutinen
    edited January 2013
    "I love our son more than life itself"
  • DevlonirDevlonir
    edited January 2013
    Sutinen wrote: »
    "I love our son more than life itself"

    This, combined with her comment about not liking that she needed to carry a gun. was her most ominous quote that made me determine earlier on that I would never leave her alone again if I had the chance.
    The hints were there before, so when she and Kenny left into the woods to do this I was already fearful, though thought Kenny would make sure she couldn't..

    But I guess Kenny didn't see the signs.
  • Shrewsbury SurvivorShrewsbury Survivor
    edited January 2013
    I blame Kat. She dont shoot herself she can watch Clem. She doesnt get kidnapped. Lee lives and they boat to the island to live happily ever after
  • QuarterPounderVladQuarterPounderVlad
    edited January 2013
    ...It's obvious. Her son was slowly dying. She loved him more than anything.
    It's not really odd for people to go into deep depression or even kill themselves if someone they love the most dies.
  • ZeroShootZeroShoot
    edited January 2013
    she was sick of people dying and especially since it was her own son.
  • double_udouble_u
    edited January 2013
    I think the two main reasons are Duck dying and Kenny no longer being the man she used to love. If you remember earlier in the episode, she becomes really distressed when you tell her, after she presses you, on what happened at the meat locker. Kenny later confesses to you that Katjaa has been pleading with him to be nicer to people in the group as well.

    These two reasons plus the combined stresses of the group and the world led her to "opt-out." :(
  • zev_zevzev_zev
    edited January 2013
    There is nothing worse than to see how your child is dying. Many people was asking: "Why if Clementine dead (train station for example, when she was trapped with walker), why game tells me "You are dead"? I can answer: because Lee can't live without her, he are dead from the inside, and if Clem dies in train station, Lee shot himself (or another suicide). And I can understand why Katjaa did that.
  • trd84trd84
    edited January 2013
    zev_zev wrote: »
    There is nothing worse than to see how your child is dying. Many people was asking: "Why if Clementine dead (train station for example, when she was trapped with walker), why game tells me "You are dead"? I can answer: because Lee can't live without her, he are dead from the inside, and if Clem dies in train station, Lee shot himself (or another suicide). And I can understand why Katjaa did that.

    If you don't save Clem in the train station. A walker grabs Lee while he is in shock. he doesn't kill himself.
  • aaron1290aaron1290
    edited January 2013
    trd84 wrote: »
    If you don't save Clem in the train station. A walker grabs Lee while he is in shock. he doesn't kill himself.

    no? that happens in ep 1
  • trd84trd84
    edited January 2013
    aaron1290 wrote: »
    no? that happens in ep 1

    He gets grabbed through the gate.
  • aaron1290aaron1290
    edited January 2013
    trd84 wrote: »
    He gets grabbed through the gate.

    He puts his hand through there trying to save clementine
  • trd84trd84
    edited January 2013
    aaron1290 wrote: »
    He puts his hand through there trying to save clementine

    And thats how he gets grabbed. It doesn't actually show it. But lee gets pulled into the bars right before it cuts away.
  • NukedNuked
    edited January 2013
    She's stupid. Didn't think about the effect it would have on her husband.
  • Tazzle27Tazzle27
    edited January 2013
    zev_zev wrote: »
    There is nothing worse than to see how your child is dying. Many people was asking: "Why if Clementine dead (train station for example, when she was trapped with walker), why game tells me "You are dead"? I can answer: because Lee can't live without her, he are dead from the inside, and if Clem dies in train station, Lee shot himself (or another suicide). And I can understand why Katjaa did that.

    But Clementine can live without Lee =/
  • AnnaSanAnnaSan
    edited January 2013
    Nuked wrote: »
    She's stupid. Didn't think about the effect it would have on her husband.

    I know I shouldn't say it, but I feel like she was being selfish. Yeah, her son is dying but what about Kenny? Did she even bother thinking about him, and with that situation, he probably feels the same as her but he doesn't like the thought of taking your own life. They already lost their son, and she just ends up killing herself to save herself from the emotional damage without thinking about the people who loves and cares for her. :\
  • double_udouble_u
    edited January 2013
    What's interesting about Katjaa is that, compared to Kenny, she was the most rational one at first. She understood Duck won't make it to Savannah on the very, very rare chance the city held and a cure existed. She understood the reasons why she needed to put Duck out of his misery, and explained it to Kenny on the train. But when it came down to it, she wasn't able to shoot Duck and shot herself instead. :(
  • double_udouble_u
    edited January 2013
    AnnaSan wrote: »
    I know I shouldn't say it, but I feel like she was being selfish. Yeah, her son is dying but what about Kenny? Did she even bother thinking about him, and with that situation, he probably feels the same as her but he doesn't like the thought of taking your own life. They already lost their son, and she just ends up killing herself to save herself from the emotional damage without thinking about the people who loves and cares for her. :\

    This makes me wonder whether Kenny himself had something to do Katjaa's decision to shoot herself. I'm not dismissing Duck--it's a big deal. But I think Katjaa was already going through some intense psychological trauma when she found out Kenny killed Larry. She was pretty distressed when she found out, so from her perspective, she probably lost Kenny already. Her husband is not the same man she used to care about. When Duck got bitten, that sealed the deal.

    Later on the train, Kenny tells Lee depending on conversation choices that Katjaa had been arguing with him every night to be nicer to the group, so this further suggests marital rifts.

    So her "losing" Kenny and losing Duck alongside all the crazy stuff at the RV probably put so much pressure on her that Katjaa decided there was nothing left in the world for her. Still, she could've shot Duck herself.
  • VirtRVirtR
    edited January 2013
    Well think about it this way, what if Clem got bitten? Its hard to think about but what would you do? I would stay with her untill she dies and then stop her from turning into a walker. But then what? Whats the point of continuing if Clems gone? If I was all alone with no more family or friends around i would kill myself aswell. But this wasnt the case with katja, she shouldnt have done it. She still had some family and friends alive who she couldve helped.
  • AnnaSanAnnaSan
    edited January 2013
    double_u wrote: »
    She was pretty distressed when she found out, so from her perspective, she probably lost Kenny already. Her husband is not the same man she used to care about. When Duck got bitten, that sealed the deal.

    Yeah, and that's the time where Kenny needs her the most too..
  • NukedNuked
    edited January 2013
    AnnaSan wrote: »
    I know I shouldn't say it, but I feel like she was being selfish. Yeah, her son is dying but what about Kenny? Did she even bother thinking about him, and with that situation, he probably feels the same as her but he doesn't like the thought of taking your own life. They already lost their son, and she just ends up killing herself to save herself from the emotional damage without thinking about the people who loves and cares for her. :\

    Kenny said something similar to this in Episode 5.
  • Rock114Rock114
    edited January 2013
    Why did Kat kill herself, eh? I'm pretty sure she didn't just go "YOLO" and pull the trigger once she got to the clearing. She just couldn't handle the way everything was changing. You can see that at first in Episode 2, where she snaps at Lee while trying to fix up David/Travis. She wears a permanent frown in Episode 3, and even says that "everything is changing so fast". Once Duck got bitten, that sealed the deal. She was already struggling with everything that had happened to the group, like being held hostage by cannibals, and Kenny changing the way he did, so Duck was the one thing she had that stayed the same from before the apocalypse to after. When he got bitten, it couldn't have ended any other way.
  • LauriNicoleLauriNicole
    edited January 2013
    She had a kid and a husband to worry about, and an undead being takes a bite out of her kid. Her only options are to have him shot in the brain or leave him to turn.

    I do think she shouldn't have committed suicide simply for her husband if not for herself. Not only did he watch his kid get shot in front of him- but his wife, too? You can't stop someone from committing suicide but she at least could have done it someplace private as to not traumatize her husband further... Which makes me sound cold but I'm not. I can relate to her on a smaller scale.
  • Neilny91Neilny91
    edited January 2013
    Yeah that was pretty cold of Kat...Kenny is already visibly distressed even before duck gets bitten...She acts as his moral compass of sorts, and her suicide ultimately causes him to sacrifice himself needlessly in chap 5...at least with ben
  • NukedNuked
    edited January 2013
    Neilny91 wrote: »
    Yeah that was pretty cold of Kat...Kenny is already visibly distressed even before duck gets bitten...She acts as his moral compass of sorts, and her suicide ultimately causes him to sacrifice himself needlessly in chap 5...at least with ben

    The Ben one was pointless. Christa's made sense. He saved her, and she probably had more to live for with a Omid and a baby on the way.
  • PlatinumbPlatinumb
    edited January 2013
    The Ben one wasn't pointless IMO. Kenny became a stronger man by finding it in his heart to forgive the person he felt was at fault for his family's deaths. In doing so, he also finds a way to make amends for failing to save Herschel's son (and his own).
  • Neilny91Neilny91
    edited January 2013
    Platinumb wrote: »
    The Ben one wasn't pointless IMO. Kenny became a stronger man by finding it in his heart to forgive the person he felt was at fault for his family's deaths. In doing so, he also finds a way to make amends for failing to save Herschel's son (and his own).
    It was pointless because Kenny had ten years to shoot Ben in the head in that alley way and casually climb up the ladder with Lee. I spent half a minute alone arguing with him to come up the ladder, and I'm not counting the time before the zombies started hoarding around us...If Kenny wasn't trying to commit suicide as a way to atone for his failures he would have said " I forgive you Ben, its going to be alright, i won't let them get to you" and then shot Ben giving Ben and Kenny the closure they needed without Kenny becoming a zombie lunchable
  • Rock114Rock114
    edited January 2013
    I think Kenny redeems himself in the Christa version just as well. I mean, he hates her on a Lilly scale. He still goes down to save her, and pretty much pulls a Chuck by disappearing with his last words being "I'll be fine".
  • PlatinumbPlatinumb
    edited January 2013
    Rock114 wrote: »
    I think Kenny redeems himself in the Christa version just as well. I mean, he hates her on a Lilly scale. He still goes down to save her, and pretty much pulls a Chuck by disappearing with his last words being "I'll be fine".

    I guess that's true. he does bitch with her about Omid enough.
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