Killing off **** was a bad idea
Don't get me wrong, it makes for a great story and all that, but game wise it doesn't make sense. Most games you get a character and thats your role. Now its pretty much like just make me play a bunch of characters because it really doesn't matter anymore. It just sets up season two for failure, assuming they continue with the story from season 1. Which I'm pretty sure is what's gonna happen (not saying it won't be good, just not as good).
Personally for me, I see it as was Lee was me (my character in this story) now that he's dead essentially my role in this story is over. No matter how I see season 2 going, I don't think I'll have the same attachment to the game. Unless they just make a completely new story with all new characters. Which would still suck, for me at least (I'd like to know what happens to Clem at the end)
Wether I'm a new character, who ends up being Clementines new guardian, I'd want to play it like I was lee (whom I'm not). If I take the role of Clementine then it would just feel weird. Regardless of the role, sans, lee just ruins it. Personally, I feel it would have been a smarter Idea to kill Clementine. Glad they didn't. But it makes more sense game wise.
Your thoughts.. ?
Personally for me, I see it as was Lee was me (my character in this story) now that he's dead essentially my role in this story is over. No matter how I see season 2 going, I don't think I'll have the same attachment to the game. Unless they just make a completely new story with all new characters. Which would still suck, for me at least (I'd like to know what happens to Clem at the end)
Wether I'm a new character, who ends up being Clementines new guardian, I'd want to play it like I was lee (whom I'm not). If I take the role of Clementine then it would just feel weird. Regardless of the role, sans, lee just ruins it. Personally, I feel it would have been a smarter Idea to kill Clementine. Glad they didn't. But it makes more sense game wise.
Your thoughts.. ?
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Their are a few games, where you play another character in every part of it, so that is not a real question for me. I would still not be unhappy, if we would never hear of Clem again and just keep it at that, to be honest.
When you were this attached to Lee and you are not able to play ever another Charakter in a Walking Dead (from Telltale of course) game again, you should maybe don't buy season two, since yes, it could happen again.
It was a great idea to kill him in the end, im gonna miss him like hell but it made for the best story.
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I mean, Lee was character created just for this game. He hadn't appeared anywhere else is any of series or part of The Walking Dead. He was a new character, Telltale crafted a great story that made you care about him and now his story is finished.
What makes you think they won't be able to do it again with new characters?
My biggest problem with Lee's death was not that he died at the end of episode 5, but rather that he was effectively dead at the end of episode 4. The suddenness of Lee's bite coupled with a month long cliffhanger resulted in me uninvesting in the character almost completely by the time episode 5 showed up. Thus Lee's demise and the finale were all somewhat underwhelming in my eyes; eyes that were as dry a Churchill martini.
My question to you:
Who is Lee?
There are several possible versions of Lee you can be depending on your choices during Game 1.
I completely agree! When I figured it out that he would die, I was like fuck thats bull crap! Cause like most I became attached and felt Clem was my little girl now despite what other think, since Im black and she is either White or Asian ( i couldnt really figure it out). But I do think in season 2 that we will be playing a much older teenage Clem. I think that either there will be a prolouge release prior to season 2 which shows what happens to Clem in the end when shes sitting on that log in the meadows, or it will be part of season 2's episode 1! I would actually like them to stick with some of the same characters from season 1! give it more depth and you will surely get attached. lets face it, the goal of the comics and tv series for the characters that are important is to ultimately get you attached to those characters and have emotions and some feeling for them.SPOILER Like in the comics when Ricks wife and new born die at the prison.
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It would have been nice if they both lived though. So much for wanting a happy ending =.='
He had always protected Clementine and at the end of it, was practically given a death sentence and forced to let her go. When Lee got bitten, I felt his anguish. Part of it was because he was going to die, but the biggest reason was because he could no longer protect Clementine to personally ensure her safety and survival.
Everything he did was for her. When she cried for him to get up when he clearly couldn't, he did it - all for her. His anxiety and concern of Clementine's well-being over his was made even clearer when Clementine was attacked by the security guard Walker and he was helpless to go to her aid.
Yet as the game comes to a close, Lee did all he could to make sure he taught Clementine whatever he could from their dire situation... he was her protector right up to the end, and successfully moulded her into a survivor who will not be helpless in face of danger.
But I think the lesson is also that nothing is for permanent, especially in a zombie apocalypse world. It was also about the maturing of Clementine from one who is protected to one who can protect herself (the scene of her killing the Walker and arming herself) without Lee. Seeing that, Lee can go in peace.
Because of this very strong connection and relationship between Lee and Clementine, which clearly affected the players as well, his death made the ending shine.
Players always feel the sense of accomplishment when they complete a game, but won't necessarily be too emotionally involved. This was an ending that achieved both. What more can you ask for?
Right, the game is about protecting Clementine. "As lee". I completely agree, killing off lee is the best ending for the story. But again this is a game at the end of the day, not a tv show or a book. Yes some games you jump from character to character, but this is pretty much story based and you're given one guy to be. If they just made an entirely new story without any connection to season 1, then I'd be fine just being a different character. I'd be curious to what happened to Clementine and what not but continuing on a second season with a new character, following the same group of people (whoever is left alive) would just feel unnatural without being "Lee".
I'm sure if they did just continue on and add a new character for you to play as, in time I'd grow to like them. I just doubt I'll enjoy the overall experience as much.
Again this is just my personal opinion
The very fact that you get to help create a unique "Lee" is part of the reason it would feel off being someone else. If you ended up in the same role as a new guardian to Clem, just seems like most people would adopt most of the same traits they used in the previous game. Basically just a knock off Lee. Not very satisfying.
I highly doubt they'd want to end up doing the same thing, so I really don't see that happening but regardless, for me it would feel weird not being lee not being that guardian role for clem (as him) and just being someone who is just part of the group now and may or may not be overall concerned about her character.
Great characters aren't easy to create and TTG took a big risk killing off such an excellent character so early in their series. We see this happen a lot on TV shows when a major character is killed off, some shows come back stronger than ever while others can never recover from the loss. I look forward to seeing what TTG can come up for S2 to replace Lee.
if i had designed his character and picked his back story then lee would be my character (or me) and his death would have been stupid and ruined it because i would not have done all the things that he did to lead to his death, but because Lee wasn't me it was easier to accept things that he did that i thought were wrong.
i think as long as they make another good story Lee's death is not a bad idea
Just my humble opinion.
It shouldn't have been a spectacular moment, i think. It wouldn't fit the theme of the universe. They probably could have gotten away with Lee slicing through the herd of zombies and one gets the bite on him as escapes, but the way it actually happened is probably much more likely in the realm of TWD. A fancy goodbye or final farewell speech would have been a tad off.
No matter how tough or experienced you are, one simple mistake can just end it all.
There are a lot of game series that don't offer your old character in the new game. The Fallout series, I don't believe you're ever the same person from one game to the next? (Admittedly, I have much less experience with the first two than the last two.)
And to be honest, I wasn't attached to Lee right from the get go. He won me over during the second half of the first episode and on, but first starting out, he was interesting and all, but if he had died, it wouldn't have mattered. But me and my hubby both expected him to die pretty early on. We figured Lee or Clem one would be dying, and I didn't think TTG would actually want to kill a little girl. :P (Fictional or otherwise! lol)
I just think that because they have such a powerful way of storytelling that we will all grow to love the new cast and/or storyline. I don't think there will be any shortages of "Lee was better" or "We miss Clem" threads, but I think, for the most part, people will like the new season.
Except Lee did basically get a final farewell/goodbye speech.
Pretty much any scenario I can think of for the bite would've been just as, if not more plausible than the one we got; particularly if your Lee was observant and tried to check behind the rubbish first. Odds are you're more likely to get bit tangling with multiple zombies (e.g. during the bell tower escape) than a solitary one simply by virtue of math. If somebody could see the bite scenario coming from the safety of home, there's no way that a person living in the environment for months wouldn't see it coming either.
Correct. You play a different protagonist in each game. In Fallout 2, you are a descendant of the main character from the first game.
It isn't a whole new story, it will have some of the same characters I think
He lives aka Murle.He made it with 1 arm why cant lee.
Lee wouldn't survive in either situation. He had his arm cut off too late. The people who lived in The Walking Dead television show and comics had their infected areas cut off immediately. At least half an hour passed before Lee had his cut off. The zombie bacteria already got into his bloodstream by that point.
As I said it makes for a great ending, but I feel the same affect could have been achieved with killing Clementine(not that I'd prefer that). It would have been better if they just went with a whole new cast for season two. Which isn't going to be the case, seeing as they're carrying over saves from the previous season. With a character as malleable as Lee, assuming they want the same kind of feel for the game and you're a knew character, people will just end up creating a cheap version of him. I'm sure everyone will come to love the knew character they come up with after a little bit but I feel as though season two would have been better with Lee in it(see what happens I guess).
And addressing the whole fallout thing, yes there are games which you don't keep the same character, but there are plenty in which you do. In fallout I don't think there are any of the same characters from its predecessors(not 100% on that). On top of that for the most part you're a lone wolf. And the other characters you do meet don't have much development. Never really get attached to them. Including your own. Not a very good example in my opinion.
In a game so heavily character based & story driven, it just makes more sense to me to keep the players character intact if you're going to continue on with the same story.
It won't be the same story, it'll be someone else's story. And that's a good thing.
That's true, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was the best decision for the series going forward. TTG may have sacrificed some of the long term quality of the story in favor of a shocking death in S1. They could have killed Lee in any season and it would have been just as shocking, memorable, and heartbreaking.
Obviously, we won't know if this was a good decision or not until season 2 and we see what new characters/story TTG is able to create. I'm confident in their ability to bring us another excellent story, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little worried that they won't be able to recreate the success from S1.