Holy crap. The meat locker scene...
I recently did another playthrough of ep. 2, and I noticed something when Larry had his final heart attack. If you choose to save Larry, click the button as fast as you can before Kenny can drop a salt licker on Larry's head.
Larry takes a breath.
Larry takes a breath.
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Hey, some of us weren't on this forum last year. Cut me some slack, jack.
I know you guys like playing up the mystery, but seeing as Larry only breaths or "reanimates" after chest compressing the hell out of him, I'm inclined to believe it was a breath. I figured it was meant to be ironic, as only the people trying hardest to save Larry would see Larry breathing, right before his head explodes.
As long as we're talking about the meat locker scene, did anyone else feel the scene with Kenny and Ben in the alley was a reprise of the meat locker but with Kenny changing how he felt? In the meat locker Kenny doesn't want take a chance on saving someone who was probably going to die, but with Ben he wants to put his life on the line for a longshot.
The weirder thing is depending on your choices, you can potentially one-eighty as well. I tried to save Larry on my first playthrough but when I got to the alley scene I figured Ben was as good as dead as soon as I saw the metal sticking through him. And it's possible that Clem still being in some sicko's hands was weighing heavy on my mind while at the Dairy Kenny was thinking about what was happening to Duck and Kat at the hands of the St. Johns. So now I was the one who just wanted to finish someone off while Kenny refused to accept that was the only way.
I didn't realize the potential for role reversal in those scenes but now it makes me think the alley was made in part to make you feel how Kenny may have felt about Lee in the meat locker if you tried to revive Larry.
Hmmm never thought about it that way, I guess when a living person's life, one that you really really care about is on the line, you tend not to give people the benefit of the doubt, still, if the game gave me the choice whether or not to go down to Ben, I still would have went down, because even though (in my opinion) he was a bigger threat to the group than the walkers, bandits, and the damn sicko on the talkie together, he still was one of us, and I would not be able to risk leaving him down there, if not knowing for sure, that he is/was dead.
I'm only wondering if Telltale planned this, to have that potential for role reversal, or if it is a coincidence... I think they planned it.
Really? Did you know his wife's wedding ring is in his left pocket when you search him?
Great thinking. Unfortunately there is very little room for doubt in whether or not Ben can make it out of there alive, whereas Larry had far higher chances. Even if there were no walkers, he'd probably bleed to death if we got him out.
That's what I thought the first time I played through but I realized on repeat playthroughs Larry was pretty much fucked no matter what. Back in Macon Lilly says Larry has had heart attacks bad enough that he had to be sent to hospital because he couldn't get over him and the one in the meat locker definitely seemed at least that bad.
Don't forget that in the first episode that a lesser heart attack pretty much puts him out of commission until he gets his pills, and that one didn't stop him from breathing. Assuming the St. Johns didn't take the pills and even if Larry started breathing again he wouldn't be in good health. Consider the walker attack that follows and it becomes pretty un-freaking lightly he would have made it back to the motel, and even then he might have still died.
Indeed, but compared to Ben he had at least a slim chance of survival, for however long. I highly doubt Ben would have ever survived had we successfully removed him from the pole. In Larry's case saving him wasn't very likely but it probably wasn't impossible. I don't think the same could be said for Ben.
I'm guessing in Kenny's mind at least, he thought Ben had about the same chance of survival you seem to think Larry had.
Dude that is an AWESOME point! I already knew how Kenny felt, but wow... I never realized Telltale decided to put the bullet on us, maybe making us look bad.
I think Lee realizes the position he was in when he got back on the rooftop, his face kinda speaks "I had no idea...". It's also where he could say "He was a good guy. Some might not always agree... Maybe even me...". I guess it was a choice for certain players that didn't always see Kenny eye-to-eye, and it was an opportunity to allow them to understand Kenny's decisions.
The sacrifice for Christa could have also been seen as a 'reverse role'. You didn't want to risk your life, for you have family that needs you. Christa just potentially risked the group (as well as Kenny) before he could save his family.
The only difference is you don't gain a grudge against them xD.
Anyway, yeah, that is a very good point dude.
Please don't do this to us!
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Okay, fine, I wouldn't. But still, Larry sucks.
Good point. If you say Ben is screwed Kenny says "We've gotta do something! He can't die down here!". So it adds up.
When Kenny looks at Larry, he sees him as already being dead, with no chance to live. When he looks at Ben(who is in a worse situation than Larry) he sees the complete opposite. I think Kenny turns his morals around beginning with his family's death. Sadly i doubt he would ever do things like this if his family lived to ep 5.
"Katjaa wouldn't want this, Kenny!"
"Yes she would. I either save the boy or get to see her."
He'd be there to spare Ben from suffering after all of the times he had cursed him and wished him dead, then he'd be with his family again.
You know you wanted to be buds deep down.
Nice try, but we all know your body rots instantaneously after your death! This is proven by David Parker/Travis's reanimation. Their faces are horribly decayed mere moments after their death, whereas Larry's face was normal. Thus, he was totally alive. :cool:
Finally someone else who noticed that!
I mean really, that's like several months worth of rot in just under a minute of being dead! What the hell?
Actually I think they killed themselves a while ago and that was just regular decomposition that had set in. Seems like if you shoot yourself in the head or the like it really does stop the process all together. True in Larry's case too since his head was saltlicked his body didn't suddenly looked rotted like the other zombies.
I always kind of figured that was just a stylistic choice to make it clear who was part of the undead.
His family's life was on the line, he was in no state to make decisions, he didn't want to take any chances... and yeah, so he just did something very stupid. As in many discussions said, he should have taken the salt lick, and prepare to drop it on Larry's head, instead of dropping it right away, but... heat of the moment I guess...