Why Doug Fans ?

I noticed that Doug fans have a tendency to criticize people who saved Carley over Doug just because many people saved her than Doug and all of them say that the people who saved her want boobies , and that she is hot etc .
I saved Carley and i don't criticize the people who saved Doug , both of them are great characters , so why ?
Why do you Doug fans have such a grudge against Carley fans and the people who saved her ? Is it because Telltale wants us all to save him ?
Just because Telltale wants us to save him that doesn't mean everyone will do the same choice , anyone can make different choices and have different motives .
I saved Carley because she is trustworthy and she always saves Lee from danger , does that mean that I saved her because i want boobs ?
I don't want to start a flame war , i just want to understand why Doug fans are angry at Carley fans and always jump to conclusions about their motives .

Comments

  • edited April 2013
    I don't criticize people who choose Carley it is just when often we are overlooked and often forced to justify our choice

    I personally am a Doug Fan but as long as people don't insult my decision I won't insult their's.
  • edited April 2013
    I obviously don't want to generalize an entire group of people, but there's always a certain vocal minority of Doug fans who like to hop on a high horse believing they could rationalize all mankind by accusing Carley fans as "OMG BOOBS!" while ignoring the different and valid reasons for saving Carley instead of Doug. Dig through some old threads. You'll see what I mean.

    Heck, the same sort of people were even active on the thread about Let's Play videos by OfflimitsPC, a female video maker, before mods stepped in and removed some of the comments accusing her fans as "OMG BOOBS!"

    Like I said, this type is the vocal minority but from what I've seen they tend to hijack discussions which gives the fans of Doug a bad impression at times, even though they have their own reasons for saving Doug. Loud-mouths tend to make themselves heard. Just think Larry lol. I really don't think Doug fans in general are mad at us Carley fans.
  • edited April 2013
    Personally I think they resent the fact Carley was more useful (overall) and more popular (apparently).

    So they lash out at those who liked the character.

    It probably doesn't help that some Carley-fans got extremely emo over her death.
  • edited April 2013
    carley had more backstory and more interaction options with lee

    doug was just 'some guy' in the group who liked robots and could programme a remote.. he was simply a 'plot device'
  • edited April 2013
    DreadMagus wrote: »
    It probably doesn't help that some Carley-fans got extremely emo over her death.

    This is actually why i don't like a lot of the Carley fans. I didn't seen any threads that people stopped playing the game after Kenny's death, or Ben's. Not Doug's death, not Katjaa's, i only saw the biggest uproar ever when Carley died.

    I just don't understand what made her so special from others. She wasn't the only person that saved Lee's behind all the time. So many others can use a gun skillfully. And from my sight, it was only her that people cried over for some reason. I just..i just don't get it.
  • edited April 2013
    This is actually why i don't like a lot of the Carley fans. I didn't seen any threads that people stopped playing the game after Kenny's death, or Ben's. Not Doug's death, not Katjaa's, i only saw the biggest uproar ever when Carley died.

    I just don't understand what made her so special from others. She wasn't the only person that saved Lee's behind all the time. So many others can use a gun skillfully. And from my sight, it was only her that people cried over for some reason. I just..i just don't get it.

    Probably because of how sudden and surprising it was, and the reasoning for it. Kenny gets to go out like a hero, Ben can potentially go out in a sort of hero style(while also supporting Kenny's sacrifice in his other). Heck, even Doug goes out like a hero by taking the bullet for Ben. Katjaa's was understandable, because it was caused by the heavily focused death of Duck.

    Carley just up and died. No heroic saving, no last stand, and no good reason. Lilly kills her just because she felt like it. There was no build up like there was for most other deaths, either.

    I was satisfied by how it happened, but it's clear she had the least reasonable death of the primary characters. With the exception of the final choice in episode 1(which doesn't really count) and Mark, she has the shortest death scene of any long-standing character in the game.
  • edited April 2013
    Some Doug fans want to believe that people who saved Carley are immature, they like to believe that they're more mature than us. I met a guy who said anyone who saved Carley is an idiot. The fact that she was an attractive female was just icing on the cake, what really tipped the scale was how Carley actually showed her useful she was, saving Clem and I repeatably. Doug was just the guy who yelled at me when I was killing my brother / the guy who fixed the remote. Even Telltale admits that they failed to show enough of Doug in episode one.
    This is actually why i don't like a lot of the Carley fans. I didn't seen any threads that people stopped playing the game after Kenny's death, or Ben's. Not Doug's death, not Katjaa's, i only saw the biggest uproar ever when Carley died.

    I just don't understand what made her so special from others. She wasn't the only person that saved Lee's behind all the time. So many others can use a gun skillfully. And from my sight, it was only her that people cried over for some reason. I just..i just don't get it.
    People were upset over her death because literally everyone else in the group, save Clementine, either was an asshole (Lilly / Kenny) or was just kind of there (Katjaa / Duck). She was the only sensible adult, save Katjaa, and was really just a delight compared to literally everyone else, at that point. That's why I was upset, at least. When she died I lost the only character, aside from Clementine, that I liked.
  • edited April 2013
    This is actually why i don't like a lot of the Carley fans. I didn't seen any threads that people stopped playing the game after Kenny's death, or Ben's. Not Doug's death, not Katjaa's, i only saw the biggest uproar ever when Carley died.

    I just don't understand what made her so special from others. She wasn't the only person that saved Lee's behind all the time. So many others can use a gun skillfully. And from my sight, it was only her that people cried over for some reason. I just..i just don't get it.

    In addition to what Mornai said, we also need to keep in mind that Carley is one of the few people that consistently backs up Lee without requiring you to agree with everything. Depending on how you play the game, Kenny might just end up being your enemy/frienemy. Ben is just not well liked by a lot of people. Katjaa and Duck's passings were very sad, but at the same time they don't really have much of a relationship build up with Lee. Carley knew Lee's secret and kept it secret. Trust is pretty big commodity.

    I think the biggest impact of Carley after episode 3 was the lack of trust and confidence I felt towards other characters. Christa, Omid, Chuck were newcomers. Kenny either hates you and/or was in totally depressed state. Ben is a traitor and an imbecile. Molly was too mercenary for me. Though she is a child, I even felt Clem sucker punched me with her little chats with the Stranger.

    So yeah, the game definitely felt a bit lonely for me after the RV, and I'm guessing others may have felt the same way.
  • edited April 2013
    I just don't understand what made her so special from others. She wasn't the only person that saved Lee's behind all the time. So many others can use a gun skillfully. And from my sight, it was only her that people cried over for some reason. I just..i just don't get it.

    Personal attachment due to player choice.

    And some people say the choices didn't matter. :cool:

    Combine that with a higher percentage of players choosing her, and you'll end up with a far larger pool of potential "emo fan types".

    I wouldn't read too much into it.... it's all about numbers. There have been dickhead Doug fans too.... there just haven't been the same numbers due to fewer people choosing Doug over Carley.
  • edited April 2013
    The problem is that IMHO people who chose Doug didn't feel rewarded for it. With Carley you have the option to tell the group about your past and all the romance thing, while Doug doesn't have an equivalent.
    And not to start a flame war, Doug felt useless while he actually did many useful things, while Carley was idle most of the time at the motel, and everyone says she is so awesome.
  • edited April 2013
    The problem is that IMHO people who chose Doug didn't feel rewarded for it. With Carley you have the option to tell the group about your past and all the romance thing, while Doug doesn't have an equivalent.
    And not to start a flame war, Doug felt useless while he actually did many useful things, while Carley was idle most of the time at the motel, and everyone says she is so awesome.
  • edited April 2013
    Kaserkin wrote: »
    The problem is that IMHO people who chose Doug didn't feel rewarded for it. With Carley you have the option to tell the group about your past and all the romance thing, while Doug doesn't have an equivalent.
    And not to start a flame war, Doug felt useless while he actually did many useful things, while Carley was idle most of the time at the motel, and everyone says she is so awesome.

    I understand but when the bandits attacked she killed 2 bandits while Doug killed one and she helped you against the walkers while Doug din't help you at all
  • edited April 2013
    You know what's really sad , is that in episode 4 and 5 Doug/Carley don't get mentioned ever again unless Campman brings them up or you get Carley as an option to " Have you ever hurt someone you care about " conversation unless you treated her like shit which is unfair .
    It's as if Telltale wants us to forget about them and pretend they never existed and that they never brought so much impact on Lee like Lilly , Larry and Kenny's family
  • edited April 2013
    Doug came up with an alarm system, worked on the wall, told where bandits and zombies were and fixed the RV with a hammer. Carley solves problems by shooting. It's not a bad thing, but Doug didn't get the recognition he needed for his work.
  • edited April 2013
    Well, I know I didn't pick Carley "because boobs"; I've let the girl die in similar video game choices before.
  • edited April 2013
    Kaserkin wrote: »
    Doug came up with an alarm system, worked on the wall, told where bandits and zombies were and fixed the RV with a hammer. Carley solves problems by shooting. It's not a bad thing, but Doug didn't get the recognition he needed for his work.

    Heh, good times. That was hilarious to watch.


    Doug's dilemma is that his skills don't have many chances to be used because most of what he can do requires all kinds of supplies that the group just doesn't have. He even explicitly states this himself in episode 2 or 3.
  • edited April 2013
    To be fair I think the number of 'bitter' Doug fans is very small...
    There is probably the same proportion of Doug Fans that fit your stereotype as Carley Fans who fit their's...
  • edited April 2013
    double_u wrote: »
    In addition to what Mornai said, we also need to keep in mind that Carley is one of the few people that consistently backs up Lee without requiring you to agree with everything. Depending on how you play the game, Kenny might just end up being your enemy/frienemy. Ben is just not well liked by a lot of people. Katjaa and Duck's passings were very sad, but at the same time they don't really have much of a relationship build up with Lee. Carley knew Lee's secret and kept it secret. Trust is pretty big commodity.

    I think the biggest impact of Carley after episode 3 was the lack of trust and confidence I felt towards other characters. Christa, Omid, Chuck were newcomers. Kenny either hates you and/or was in totally depressed state. Ben is a traitor and an imbecile. Molly was too mercenary for me. Though she is a child, I even felt Clem sucker punched me with her little chats with the Stranger.

    So yeah, the game definitely felt a bit lonely for me after the RV, and I'm guessing others may have felt the same way.

    Pretty much. There's a certain camaraderie with Carley that you don't get with the other characters. Do something Kenny doesn't want like try to save an old fart and you're basically on his shit list until the last episode. Even if you side with him, he's not really "there", he's kinda just going through the motions. Carley was really the only character that you could really depend on.

    Even the whole conversation with Clem in Episode 3 about how they're a team and need to stick together, etc. turned out to be nothing but a pipe dream on Lee's part.
  • edited April 2013
    Carley has a gun. With that gun she saves Lee twice in ten minutes. Nuff said.
  • edited April 2013
    oh and the doug fans can now rejoice in the fact he is in poker night 2... i won't say where or when but as long as you don't skip anything you'll see him..
  • edited April 2013
    Well Doug was the comedian in Walking dead and as Poker Night is about comedy...
    It would make sense for him to pop up
  • edited April 2013
    Plus, he was based off a person from Telltale after all.
  • edited May 2013
    I saved Doug. I like Carley more as a character - she had more personality and we had more interactions --- but during the choice scene, she had a pistol in her hand and in the moment I couldn't fathom that she wouldn't have any bullets. Maybe I missed a key piece of dialogue, but I was looking at the doughy kid without a weapon or the chick that had more fortitude with a gun than anyone else in the group, holding said gun. I picked the doughy kid thinking Carley'd save herself.

    Next play through, I'll play through with Carley. I enjoyed the play through with Doug, and some of the stuff that came out of him was great, but I'd like to see Carley's arc next time.
  • edited May 2013
    Carley says she's out of ammo, but with the music, the screaming, and the zombies banging on the door it's easy to miss in all the chaos. If I hadn't known the one I didn't choose would die, I might've been more inclined to help Doug seeing as he was far more helpless that Carley.

    It always irks me that she can't just put her heel through that one walker's eye. Don't need bullets to kill dead people.
  • edited May 2013
    Yeah, she could have put a heel through the one walker's head and used her pistol as a melee weapon, whereas Doug was held in such a way that his arms were pinned down.

    So I missed the 'out of ammo' bit, ok. That makes sense then. The game did have a great way of distracting you during important decisions, heh.
  • edited May 2013
    michikade wrote: »
    Yeah, she could have put a heel through the one walker's head and used her pistol as a melee weapon, whereas Doug was held in such a way that his arms were pinned down.
    Do the math, to stomp you'd first need to lift your foot... A walker was tugging at her other foot. Essentially she would have tumbled over. She was wearing flats anyways. I seriously doubt she would have the strength to bash the walker's head in by kicking at it either. Furthermore the one grabbing her foot wasn't the inmediate danger, the swarm heading right at her was. I have no doubt in my mind if she went down to bludgeon the walker she would have been devoured before she managed to unclench the hand off her ankle. Her energy was best spent trying to get Lee's attention and preparing to catch the magazine (if she was busy bludgeoning the walker and failed to catch the magazine... well she would have died). She was probably shitting her pants panicking too.
  • edited May 2013
    Blunt or not, that heel could've one through the walker's eye and into the brain. I always did think her footing would have been...precarious... to say the least, had she attempted it. But at the same time, it's hard to feel sorry for her when Doug has arms wrapped around his chest from several different walkers who are trying to yank him out into the street and do what walkers do best to him.
  • edited May 2013
    Rock114 wrote: »
    Blunt or not, that heel could've one through the walker's eye and into the brain.
    I don't think so. A human skull is freakin' tough as hell and Carley is a tiny little girl. Unless she tried to crush it through an eye socket, but that would require a lot of precision, something she probably wouldn't even be able to do if she wasn't panicking. She was wearing flats anyways, the heel on those puppies are next to nonexistant.
    I always did think her footing would have been...precarious... to say the least, had she attempted it. But at the same time, it's hard to feel sorry for her when Doug has arms wrapped around his chest from several different walkers who are trying to yank him out into the street and do what walkers do best to him.
    Well he's the one who thought it'd be a good idea to barricade a fucked window with his back..
  • edited May 2013
    CarScar wrote: »
    Well he's the one who thought it'd be a good idea to barricade a fucked window with his back..

    Well, someone had to block it. Otherwise there would be tons of walkers pouring in from yet another location, and that might have allowed them to block the exit and kill everyone inside the store. I think it was a necessary sacrifice.
  • edited May 2013
    CarScar wrote: »
    I don't think so. A human skull is freakin' tough as hell and Carley is a tiny little girl. Unless she tried to crush it through an eye socket, but that would require a lot of precision, something she probably wouldn't even be able to do if she wasn't panicking. She was wearing flats anyways, the heel on those puppies are next to nonexistant.

    Well he's the one who thought it'd be a good idea to barricade a fucked window with his back..

    Maybe I just have more sympathy for Doug because he didn't have a gun, but she just didn't seem to be in as much danger as poor Doug. And if he hadn't put his back against that barricade, there's a good chance the walkers would have gotten through, and none of the characters would have survived for us to have this discussion. Just because it's not the smartest thing to do, doesn't mean there's an alternative.
  • edited May 2013
    if's buts and maybe's

    should've,could've, would've.

    i reckon doug had a lousy poker face anyway
  • edited May 2013
    If Doug would play poker, he would probably cheat by using his trusty bell and wire system.
  • edited May 2013
    I'm not attracted to boobies and I still saved her first. I thought if I saved her she'd use her gun to save Doug. I'm going to do a Doug playthrough to see how it compares...
  • edited May 2013
    Savinf doug works better for me because of the shock value of carlys death, like if it was a tv show and we were watching, we would be pretty suprised at her death as it looks like she was going to be a main character, she saved lee's life, went on a mission with lee and even knows his secret.
  • edited May 2013
    I liked both so I saved her in one play and Doug in another
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