Going with Lilly is much safe than with Kenny ?
Why do people assume that going with Lilly who knows where and after what she did is better than going with Kenny to Savannah ?
Some people say that Kenny caused Lee's death by going to Savannah to find a boat but remember Clem wanted to go to Savannah to find her parents , and how is going with Lilly a better solution ? She proved that she can kill anyone she doesn't like and i don't think Clementine will be thrilled to go with a woman who tortured her best friend aka Ben ( or tried to kill him if you saved Doug ) and who killed Carley because she called her the B word .
So do you guys think that going with Lilly it will be much safe for Lee and Clem than with Kenny ?
Some people say that Kenny caused Lee's death by going to Savannah to find a boat but remember Clem wanted to go to Savannah to find her parents , and how is going with Lilly a better solution ? She proved that she can kill anyone she doesn't like and i don't think Clementine will be thrilled to go with a woman who tortured her best friend aka Ben ( or tried to kill him if you saved Doug ) and who killed Carley because she called her the B word .
So do you guys think that going with Lilly it will be much safe for Lee and Clem than with Kenny ?
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If they hadn't gone he wouldn't have died at that moment but everyone dies eventually...
If they wanted a boat so much Why not just go to a small fishing village not a massive city?
I would say going with Lilly could be safer.
She more likely pulled a Carley and didn't know that the batteries were dead, so just assumed it was broken.
I think going with Lilly would be more dangerous if it is at the time of her departure in game, because she is mentally unstable and would probably have clouded judgment in too many situations. Before she cracks, it might be safe, but one different variable doesn't guarantee survival.
Only problem now is Lilly's mental state and the fact that you and her will need to depend and rely on each other 100%. If you kept a good relationship with her then it might not be to bad, but after what has happened already can you really trust to be with her all alone day and night?
That can't be said for Lily who lost her mind at the loss of a loved one. You want to stay with Lily? No way, not with her record.
1. She stopped being a leader as soon as Larry had his attack in the chemist. A leader never says "It's not my job." She couldn't do anything, she sat at her fathers side the whole time. Doug could've done that. Instead she dropped the ball, stopped being the leader and keeled under the pressure. She ended up making a person she didn't even know, a person who [in my playthrough] had just had an altercation with her father a few moments before, go on a life threatening mission to get him medicine.
(We won't take my hate for Larry into account.)
2. She bowed out again when it came to feeding everyone and instead once again avoided the job and pushed it onto Lee again. You know why? because Lee never said "It's not my job." He did everything he was told. (Not in the sense of control) every time something came up he'd step up to the task. [In my playthrough] He murdered and stole and put himself into the grimmest of situations and did what had to be done...
3. It was her idea to stay at the motor inn. Larry's death is as much her fault as it is [In my playthrough] Kenny's and Lee's, they all took the risk, Larry and Mark ended up paying the blood price for it. Still, she insists on staying at the Motel allowing Ben an opportunity to get involved with the bandits. She shot [In my playthrough] Carley, she pretty much killed Duck and Kat with her inaction.
And that's just it, Lily did nothing for the group [In my playthrough] I thought she was a detriment to the cohesion of the group as a unit. Therefore unworthy of being a leader.
Kenny was a true leader, he took over in the chemist, He was eager to pry into the St Johns business. Even when his son was doomed, he still drove the train. His wife and child died yet he kept on moving. He was always cautious and adapted well in hectic environments. [In my playthrough] he was able to somewhat forgive Ben and even sacrificed himself to put the kid out of his misery before he died, only to be eaten himself. His record is great. His plan was to get them to Savannah, and to get them a boat. He succeeded on both of those goals.
Lee's death is to be solely blamed on Clementine.
Though i agree with most of what you said, Lee's death cannot be blamed on anything at all. It's his own fault for taking care of Clementine in the first place, it's Carley/Doug's fault for giving Clem batteries allowing her to talk with the stranger, it's Kenny's fault for taking them to Savannah, etc. There are too many variables and none of them hold more weight than the other.
Lee choosing to take care of someone, or Carley inadvertently fixing the radio (irony) are actions with indeterminate results, but I don't think that holding them at fault is the right way to put it.
Choices have consequences, but actual accountability is more direct. I blame Ben for lying about the bandits, not Lee and Kenny for bringing him back to the motel in the first place.
And you know, I don't place blame on a child for being kidnapped.
Lee asleep on sofa after their "adventure" in Crawford , and missed the moment when Clem ran away. This is another fatal little thing that killed him. From a fate not to leave, he was to die.
About the question of the author of thread:
Despite the fact that I love Lilly as character, I believe that under the command of Lilly, they would all have perished in the Savannah in the first few hours.
I wasn't saying i blame those characters for those things, i was listing them as examples of things you could blame Lee's death for(but shouldn't). Sorry if i worded it poorly.
Kenny's boat fantasy predictably results in the deaths of pretty much everyone involved. Hell, the only person that we can confirm survived it was Clementine. That "plan" was basically the fevered dream of a guy who lost it. And had Vernon's group not got involved, the boat never would've been in working condition anyway.
Fact is, Kenny never had a real plan beyond 1.) Get Boat 2.) Go to Sea 3.) ??? 4.) Profit. Chuck basically figures out as much the instant he hears it (as did I). Heading to the coast was a pants on head stupid thing to do from a survival standpoint, and always was.
In the United States, coastal regions account for about one-fifth of the landmass but a tad bit over half the nation's total population of 300+ million (now undead) resides there. Hell, even if they made it out to sea, what then? You're surrounded by water you can't drink and you can't live on just fish... that way lies a sucky death from things like scurvy, assuming you don't die of dehydration in a couple days (because again, surrounded by water you can't drink). So you'd end up having to go back to the densely-populated coast for supplies.
If your plan to avoid flesh-eating undead involves going to where you're going to run into more of them than anywhere else, it's a bad plan. That's not to say Lilly's a great alternative, just that damn near any alternative to Kenny's plan was better... it gets you killed about as quickly as an absence of water would.
Considering that Lilly was against the boat plan from the start, part of me imagines the group splitting up even if she didn't shoot someone.
Ah, fair enough.
I know his plan was shit... He was still a better leader.
Also good to see the small troll I put in my post got a few bites.
It all goes back to that meat locker. I chose to help Lilly and we were already becoming good friends prior to the meat locker incident. For me the choice is clear, Lilly saved my life on several occasions and Kenny has consistently left me to die multiple times. Regardless of what peoples opinion of Lilly may be, I trust her more than Kenny or traitor Ben.