What if Clementine becomes a ruthless killer no matter what ?
Clementine saw many traumatising things at this point including seeing her parents and having to shoot/leave Lee and i think she is going to snap and pretty much become a monster like Carl and might turn on the new group no matter what we did as Lee .
I don't think our actions of sparing the St Johns , not stealing from the car , bringing her to Crawford , Killing the Stranger are gonna change Clementine's fate because i can't see her in season 2 ( if she really appears ) having a clear mind and become like Lee because Lee's action of not stealing from the car din't stop Campman from stealing Clementine , Lilly kills Carley/Doug even if we try to revive Larry . I'm afraid that Clementine might become a psychopatic killer and deciding that Lee's words don't matter and that only being ruthless will help her survive in this world and the new protagonist will have to take her out for the good of the group and it will be very painful for us .
So do you guys think that Clem will follow Lee's foot steps or become a killer no matter what ?
I don't think our actions of sparing the St Johns , not stealing from the car , bringing her to Crawford , Killing the Stranger are gonna change Clementine's fate because i can't see her in season 2 ( if she really appears ) having a clear mind and become like Lee because Lee's action of not stealing from the car din't stop Campman from stealing Clementine , Lilly kills Carley/Doug even if we try to revive Larry . I'm afraid that Clementine might become a psychopatic killer and deciding that Lee's words don't matter and that only being ruthless will help her survive in this world and the new protagonist will have to take her out for the good of the group and it will be very painful for us .
So do you guys think that Clem will follow Lee's foot steps or become a killer no matter what ?
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And after losing Lee, her protector, her father-figure since the outbreak, she'll probably hang onto his words, trying to follow them as best as she can. It was him who did everything right in terms of protecting her, so she might figure his knowledge, that he shared with her is going to keep her safe.
But if, she becomes a cold, ruthless killer, even if I don't really believe there is any way in hell that'd happen, we'll have a word. She and the new PC. I'm not going to let her run around whack people for no, or shitty reasons like a certain person that killed Carley.
Not.
Going.
To.
Happen.
My Clementine will speak softly and carry a big stick.
There's a difference between seeing and doing. Seeing somebody die isn't quite the same as killing them yourself (particularly for the first time) and she's already capable of crossing that threshold. Doing it again becomes easier, not harder, especially depending on what tricks you use to rationalize it.
If she didn't, she'd probably retain her innocence. Which is what I did. I told Clem to leave Lee, hoping for her to keep her innocence.
If Clem becomes cold-blooded in season 2 regardless of our choices or outcomes, I'm going to be pissed.
I agree though that they'll probably be a "what would Lee have done" mentality, but i don't see anything wrong in my example, despite it containing a lot of the "cold" things people list. I gave everyone i met throughout the game a chance, those who take i would do anything to defend. Those who spit it back in my face/ hurt my friends can meet a pitchfork or take a long tumble from a Bell tower.
Without Lee, Clementine is going to need to step up to the plate and make those decisions for herself. I do worry a bit that she may become a psychopath, but i always tried to tell her that killing was fundamentally wrong, but sometimes, sadly necessary, i can only hope the message was received.
All told, I think Clem will become a hardened survivor but not go over the edge and become a full blown killer.
It's little things she did along the way that make me think she has a good compass when it comes to right and wrong and working with others. Her unwillingness to steal from the car even though she was very hungry like the rest of us comes to mind. She also wanted to be part of the team, pull her own weight as it were. At the train station is where I think Clem stepped up, reminded Lee that they are a team and took risks for the group....for her friends.
Everything you mentioned is just another day in a ZA. Hardship is no stranger and I think it's the special moments that Clem will remember such as her friendship with Lee, Lilly giving her bands for her hair and playing tricks on Duck.
It isn't inevitable at all, if she learns to move fast, scavenge quick, avoid people, she'll never be in the position to shoot much. It is about adjusting to the new world, you can very well, like Molly, learn to avoid both walkers and humans.
Not saying it is very likely, or maybe it even is - who am I to tell?
But becoming psycho like Lilly, or the rapist bandit fucks does not necessarily have to hapen.
Its also commercial suicide to ruin Clementine. They have made a great character and have to use her correctly. Going insane Clem is not the way.
It is her way, her personality, and becoming a psycho isn't her, sorry but I do not see it in her. Maybe though, I put too much faith in how I tried to educate her in the little time given.
I don't say, that if it is either her or someone else she won't pull the trigger, she will.
She got the self defense part I guess, but she'll never become a crazy bandit, who gets satisfied by seing people suffer or even torture them, or such things.
Maybe her good heart will protect her from that... would be a shame if not, that'd mean just anyone will sooner or later become a psycho, no matter how good the person is deep inside.
I have the opposite opinion, I think that the main thing is survive, no matter the price.
Besides, she can shoot herself at any moment, if she will feel that she becomes "monster". <== joke
Hell NO! Holy fucking shit, only through my goddamn dead body!
"It's gonna happen!"
*Charge his AK-74* Will see dude.
"And what about when it does? Someone has to be thinking of this shit!"
It's not gonna happen! xD
The destination is marked. Awaiting confirmation. Over.
Confirmed, let 'em have it!
As far as her becoming a killer goes, though, in my game she shot Lee, so that's already happened.
Zero 01, opening suppressing fire. Confirm the destruction of the target. Over.
Kill confirmed, target ripped to shreds. Over.
Zero 01. Object "C.l.e.m." in safe now. Foxtrot squad returning to base. Over
Good job Foxtrot, good job. A helicopter will come and pick you up. Over.
Sadly she has killed both Lee and the stranger in my game(stopped pressing Q after prompt disappeared). I told her on the train that killing is wrong no matter what, and you only do it if it's necessary. Hopefully things like this change who or what she becomes in Season 2.
"Actions speak louder than words".
You certainly have a point there,
but she's a smart one, I know it, if the player explained it carefuly to her, and made it understood, she will figure, that you had to do, what you had to, and that it was because the consequences of not killing Danny for example could have resulted into another death. And for the record: he did deserve it anyhow. I don't expect her to fully understand everything, but she is a good person, I can tell that from her politeness and well behaviour, becoming a psycho killer, even with Lee performing murders infront of her, just doesn't seem to be a possibility to me. But it is the time that changes people, time will show I guess, I might be wrong after all.
I'm sorry guys, I could have sworn I heard open fire. Well now... I have two words to say. DEATH. MACHINE.
*Starts up HMG and fires at both of them.*
Your helicopter looks pretty good, mind if I destroyed it real fast?
*Shoots at helicopter, causing it to go off course and crash*
You don't mess with a ghost, baby. When you try to change destiny, destiny says "HELL NO"
*Walks away*
And so, folks, that is why CLEM will turn into a lesser version of Carl :P Any questions, class?