Is taking Kenny's side worth it?
TeamKennyAlways here, creating a new discussion about Kenny what a surprise (do people think I'm obsessed with him?) Anyway I was thinking about my choices and how I was constantly jumping through hoops to please Kenny. Seriously I was as loyal as a dog. So after taking Kenny's side at every choice possible (apart from Ben and letting him shoot Duck which makes him hate me apparently) I was thinking is it worth it? I do everything for him and end up turning everyone in the group against me that's the way I see it since Lilly hates me, Larry hates me well he did already, Clem ends up leaving me if you let her decide for herself in episode 5 but I don't think she hates me, Ben hates me I guess, the only people who do like me are him and his family who are dead! I end up looking like a bad guy in the game since most of the choices are bad like dropping the salt lick on Larry's head. And in episode 4 he throws everything I did for him, back in my face by saying I was never there for him! What the f*** Kenny! I know why he said that but come on! Lets get to the point people who take Kenny's side looking back do you think it's worth it just to get some bro speech? People who didn't do you think it's better to stay away from him? Let me know if you think it's worth it taking his side? I'm not saying I hate Kenny.
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Think of every situation where you have to side with or against Kenny, and think about how you feel about it, not Kenny. Do you personally believe that Larry was dead in that meat locker and was going to turn? Do you think that abandoned car truly was abandoned and that you would starve without it?
If all of your own choices happen to side with Kenny, then it's worth it in my opinion. Personally, many of my choices opposed Kenny. His extremist survival tactics clashed with my humanity time and time again, and if i decided to do everything to please Kenny just for the sake of being on his side, it would not be worth it in my opinion. I would be going against myself, going against what i believed to be right, and that's not worth it.
If you just want to hear the bro speech, then sure i suppose it's worth it. These are just my opinions, however.
-Should we leave the motor inn? He keeps pushing to leave, but Lilly says no. What happens? bandit attack.
-St. John's want some people to check out the farm. Kenny doesn't really find it a good idea. Lilly thinks we should go. Mark ends up getting shot by an arrow.
-Kenny thinks of taking the place over. Lilly now wants to leave. Larry convinces to stay until they eat. Kenny finds the place suspicious, but Lilly doesn't want to snoop around. Kenny ends up being right and the St. John's are cannibals. Larry ends up dying.
-Kenny doesn't want you to shoot the girl on the street that is already dead. It proves to help you get supplies and also keeps the walkers in the heart of town at least awhile longer.
-Kenny fixes up the RV, which Lilly finds is stupid and unnecessary. It ends up saving everyone's lives.
-Kenny doesn't trust Vernon or his group, and thinks they'll be trouble. They end up being a hindrance later.
-Kenny wants to get the boat out on the water immediately, but because Clem goes missing, and they wait for you no matter who goes with you, the boat is stolen.
I'm just saying that although Kenny may have had some non-moral choices, it doesn't mean they weren't right. You need both to survive. There is a reason why walkers outnumber humans to such a degree.
Was Larry dead? Could you take the risk? Well, if I was Kenny, let me think of it this way: What if Larry was dead? He'd take a bite right into Lee's neck. Then he'd pounce on his own daughter, and Kenny would have to either hope to fight Larry, which he couldn't when the man was alive, or use a salt lick on a now moving target thirsty for blood. What if Larry was saved? No telling if he'd be movable, and Danny was just coming for them to kill them. They'd have all died. What if they somehow killed Danny and got out of the meat locker? The walkers would have overrun the place before they escaped, or Mark could have killed Duck or Katjaa since he was on the loose. Or maybe that small amount of time would have allowed Andy the upper hand. Maybe Carley/Doug and Ben would have been killed by the walkers from outside the fence.
The way I see it, that one stunt put them as such a risk there would have been big consequences. Someone else would have died.
I don't vouch for Kenny, because he can be a dick, but in some ways only if you were a dick back. Kenny holds grudges. Is that a kind of person I like? No. But it is how Kenny is.
For me, Clementine is that moral compass while Kenny is your 'right-thing-to-do' guy. Might not always be clean or likable, but it some eyes it had to be done. So while there are times he can be a mean, cruel person, in many aspects he ends up being right. I really just wish he had gotten out of his horrible mood before it was too late.
I usually choose many of the decisions with Kenny, except for killing Ben(which is probably a mistake since it indirectly kills Kenny), and taking the supplies. Our group probably would have died without them, though.
One such example is the meat locker. Now it's been discussed to hell and back, but
I at least think Kenny was right to do, what he did, when he did. Of course, knowing better, knowing that Larry was alive we can call his decision poor judgement, but had Larry been dead, bearing the risk of being bit... no being torn to shreds by a giant walker would have been on Lilly's account, and it would have been us who'd have to pay for it. With our lives. How are the odds to bring a guy back with cpr, whose heart completely stopped beating? Close to zero I assume.
Larry has had a heart attack? He wants his head smashed without even considering to revive him. Sure it's a longshot but still i would have taken my chances before executing him like that, but at the same time he was right since he would have turned.
I also didn't like him wanting Ben dead, but i guess that's kind of justified since he indirectly killed his family. Even if he was clumsy and kind of useless i couldn't just kill him for that. In the end his intentions were positive and he was a good guy.
ALL of his other decisions were spot on and he took initiative when needed unlike the rest of the group, so i agreed with and supported him and that's why i liked him.
In conclusion i find Kenny a flawed man, a bit selfish but he did what had to be done even if they were sometimes harsh.
Was it worth it? For me it was, since he was the only one making some sense but then again he's probably dead.
Not his boat plan IMO. It was very risky even before we played EP4 to enter that city on the slim chance a boat would be left. Dangerous city + low chance of a working, or even any boat left laying around = Death.
But no its not worth it IMO. Story wise I found it much more satisfying and tragic (but enjoyable) more to befriend him at first, then disagree with the major choices that he is all hardcore about (killing Larry, raiding the truck, the boat plan), but in the last episode make peace with him, say your sorry in the attic and share a final drink with him.
At that point both Lee and Kenny accept the fact that while they may fight often, they're in this together and they both actually do care about one and other.
The boat plan wasn't the greatest idea but it would have worked if Vernon didn't interfere and we didn't have a better plan at that moment. Maybe Lilly would have had a better idea if he didn't kill her dad.
If only he didn't kill Larry in the locker, things would have played out differently.
Stealing from the station wagon or not seemed like a stupid choice to me.
You haven't eaten in days and you run into a wagon full of food left unprotected, since it's about survival i agreed with kenny and took it without thinking. The strangers fault he left it like that in a zombie apocalypse.
In Ep5 when the stranger started talking about the wagon i just told him "I don't care", it was his fault for not looking after his own supplies.
And while nobody else stepped up with a plan other then the boat one (Serious why didn't Christa suggest something else before the boat was stolen, she clearly didn't agree with it), I would have done things differently if given the option before EP5. My Lee told Clem they were going off alone, now given the chance I would have told the crew we were leaving and you can either take your chances with us, or continue on to the city.
*cough cough* If only Lilly hadn't decided to shoot Carley or Ben up when she was pissed over Kenny/ you, and then leaving like a coward/ being kicked out. She had no reason to pull the trigger in my book.
While the bro speech is pretty awesome, and being his friend and having each others back the entire way from Episode 1-5 just makes his death in 5 that much more painful, don't jump through every hoop he throws you trying to get approval. Hell, I'd disagreed with him twice by the end of Episode 4, and, knowing that his loyalty became a bit "finicky" the more times you disagreed, when Lee looked at Kenny I even said out loud "You better fucking come with us."
lol I did the same thing there xD I seriously was about to cuss him out in episode 4. I rarely get the bro-speech, because I don't always agree with him, but it feels good when you do. I mean, he is the only group member besides Clem to be with you at the start and survive with you to the end. To me, that's cool
I don't hate him, but his 'either your with me or against me' attitude makes taking his side a huge gamble. You either blindly follow everything he says until he says the one thing that you will disagree with, and he'll take it personally to the point where he sees you in danger and won't lift a finger to help you. To me, that's not loyalty, that's using people for your own benefit and cutting them loose once they have the nerve to say 'no'. If he wanted to be 'bros' with my Lee, he should have learned to be a better friend and not pressurise my Lee to take his side and put my Lee's life in danger if I don't comply.
Not wanting to come find Clementine at first was almost the final straw for me, since I knew he wanted to punish Lee for not consistently taking his side by leaving a little girl to her fate. Why should Clementine suffer just because of the arguments that Lee and Kenny have? In the end I managed to convince him to find her somehow, but if he had ended up saying no again, I would have cut ties from Kenny and give him a taste of his own medicine for putting up with him for the entire game.
Of course, he managed to redeem himself somewhat in Episode 5 and I was sad to see him die whilst putting Ben out of his misery, but I wished that he had tried harder to make up for his poor attitude with my Lee. In the end, I wasn't too upset to see him go.
And if you agree with him on everything, do everything that makes him happy, then he will hate you when you try and help lilly save her useless prick-of-a-dad. And he will hold that grudge on you for the rest of the season.
But he re-deemed him self at the end.
So fuck/praise kenny :P