If we're going where I think we're going...

Violet Virago

Then you can color me scared as hell for Season Two.

Because, honestly, all signs point to Woodbury, or at least something very similar... And this article has some strong hints towards something:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/2/7/3963786/weighing-the-choices-for-the-walking-dead-season-two

Dan Connors wrote:

"There's nothing saying our characters couldn't cross over with their characters at some point in the timeline," he said. "It's a very interesting concept for us."

If Season Two were to take us on a tie-in path to Woodbury... That would be something that would be very interesting to see Telltale take on. I'm actually caught between hoping that it is Woodbury (because it'd be really cool to see someone like The Governor) and hoping that it is NOT Woodbury (because it could also be really heartbreaking to see someone like The Governor). At this point in time however, I should say that I am more inclined to believe that yes, we are going to Woodbury, mainly because of the following reasons:

• The "utopia" that Tavia talks about sounds eerily similar to Woodbury. "It's a safe place for everyone. Criminal activity isn't tolerated within our walls. Period. You don't have to worry about bandits, or walkers, or anyone else. We look out for eachother." That last bit, that sounds so strikingly similar to The Governor's words that it's just plain scary.
• In order to get that well-established, any settlement has to have some darker secrets... I'd say Woodbury fits the bill about perfectly.
• There is probably something up with this settlement, which would essentially be the exact same thing as Woodbury.
• It is highly unlikely (if not impossible) that Telltale would set up a separate settlement to tell essentially the same story as seen in Woodbury.
• As shown above, Telltale has hinted about more tie-ins. And there could be some really crazy possibilities if Woodbury were to be the case.
• The timeline skip. Very weird, that timeline skip. It seemed to me to be almost utter lunacy, however, given that we get to about 400 days. Could this perhaps be to align the timeline closer in to the Woodbury conflict? I'm not exactly sure where the timeline is at around that time, but I know that at least by around issue 90, they are well past the 400 day mark.
• Why would they do a timeline skip, if not for that? There has to be a reason other than a cool DLC name. That had to have a purpose behind it, and this is as good as any reason I can find.
• ADDITIONAL REASON: The whole story of 400 Days centered upon that Diner, which was relatively close in location to the site of Carley/Doug's fatal shooting by Lilly and whether she took the RV or was left behind, she was going in a direction that was near that location. Telltale wouldn't place the DLC in this location for no reason, and it could be possible that Lilly ran off to Woodbury which could be somewhere close by.

Some pretty crazy questions brought up by this DLC, definitely more questions than answers... But it's all very interesting. What are your thoughts on all of this? Do you think it's Woodbury? If not, then what is it?

EDIT: Also to the mods, please don't merge this with SHOULD we go to the settlement, this thread is about whether or not said settlement is Woodbury.

Rizefall

Well it's all up in the air and it would be cool if it was Woodbury. At this point all we can do is speculate.

My opinion in all this is that their best shot is to go to this "Save haven" and yes it might as well be Woodbury.

What i wonder though is... In what point in time will be in that case be going there? When is Rick and the gang there? When does Woodbuy start? It's hard when we dont have a set timeline other than this "400 days" thing.

OzzyUK

I think it is another settlement and not Woodbury as it might be difficult to have too many crossovers from the comic books or TV show, Plus Telltale could make a whole set of new and interesting characters to fill it with.

tourn

The geography doesn't fit, Woodbury is roughly south of atlanta and west of macon, their settlement is north of macon (far enough not to pass through the area often).

Depends when and where the story picks up, but there are a few obvious crossover opportunities without woodbury.
Michonne before she reaches the prison (improbable, but not impossible)
Abrahams group before they reach the farm (most likely imo)
North puts them in the general path ricks group travel after the prison... (kinda difficult to write in without breaking continuity)

HiggsBoson2142

tourn wrote: »

Depends when and where the story picks up, but there are a few obvious crossover opportunities without woodbury.
Michonne before she reaches the prison (improbable, but not impossible)
Abrahams group before they reach the farm (most likely imo)
North puts them in the general path ricks group travel after the prison... (kinda difficult to write in without breaking continuity)

Lilly? lilly lilly lilly lilly?

tourn

Lilly leaves the group after a few months (certainly before day 184 by a fair margin) and makes her way to woodbury.
It can be reasonably assumed from judiths age that ricks group leave the prison around the 400 day mark.
Clem is last seen around day 160 maybe.

I only see it working after they leave the prison which presents an interesting opportunity to fill in a few blanks. Think I'd rather see things like that in 400 day style DLC though, not drag clem to plot points for the sake of it.

FoxxyFox

For that matter, the train who blocked the street must be free then. I see the community center perhaps in Episode 7 happen. We will likely play as first as Clementine in Episode 6 in Season 2 and will know who the 2 shadow figures are (Omid & Christa). We could see a time skip and Christy give birth to the baby. In that community center everything is fine so Christa & Omid will not worry that much.

If that community center is something like woodbury, Bonnie is the 1st person from the DLC group that's gonna be rip apart because she said it's a great idea and she will be picked up several times by Becca or Russel. Clementine will most likely stand up for Bonnie and I think Wyatt/Shel too. I have a feeling Omid & Christa will play in Season 2 not a big part and die in some a wicked/crazy scenario.

Robert Morgan

I don't know...the writers should be wary of boxing themselves in with any direct references from the comic book, as they'd have to work around the continuity that Kirkman established, possibly to the detriment of the story that the video game would be trying to tell.

That being said, I can't deny having the PC encounter the comic book version of the Governor would be wicked as hell, especially if they got a memorable voice actor for him. (I'd go with Danny Trejo or Peter Cullen, but that's just me.)

PotatoCat

They changed the name of Lilly's achievement remember? It's no longer To Woodbury or whatever it was.

Tyraa Rane

My first thought when Tavia offered to take the survivors to her camp was, "please don't let it be Woodbury!" I kind of doubt it is, especially going by what tourn said re: geography, but that doesn't mean it won't turn into something like Woodbury. Or Crawford.

I'm definitely dying to know if Clem's there, though. Or Christa and Omid. (Especially since by day 400, assuming she's still alive and nothing's gone wrong, Christa would for sure have had the baby.)

tourn wrote: »

Clem is last seen around day 160 maybe.

More like day 110 or so.

Episode 1 takes place over 2-3 days I think, then there's a three month gap (90-93 days) between Episode 1 and 2. I can't remember if we know how much time passes between EP2 and 3, but I'd guess a week, maybe two. That puts us in the day 100-110 range when Lilly leaves (or is abandoned depending on your choices).

If I'm remembering right EP3 takes place over ~2 days, EP4 about the same, and EP5 is one day. So the last time we see Clementine is somewhere around day 115. (Give or take a few days for my fuzzy math skills and poor memory. )

OzzyUK

Tyraa Rane wrote: »

My first thought when Tavia offered to take the survivors to her camp was, "please don't let it be Woodbury!" I kind of doubt it is, especially going by what tourn said re: geography, but that doesn't mean it won't turn into something like Woodbury. Or Crawford.

I'm definitely dying to know if Clem's there, though. Or Christa and Omid. (Especially since by day 400, assuming she's still alive and nothing's gone wrong, Christa would for sure have had the baby.)



More like day 110 or so.

Episode 1 takes place over 2-3 days I think, then there's a three month gap (90-93 days) between Episode 1 and 2. I can't remember if we know how much time passes between EP2 and 3, but I'd guess a week, maybe two. That puts us in the day 100-110 range when Lilly leaves (or is abandoned depending on your choices).

If I'm remembering right EP3 takes place over ~2 days, EP4 about the same, and EP5 is one day. So the last time we see Clementine is somewhere around day 115. (Give or take a few days for my fuzzy math skills and poor memory. )

When you talk to the stranger he says to Lee "A few weeks back, there might have been a station wagon in the forest" so i think there was about 4 weeks between Episode 2 and 3. I worked it out that Clementine is on the hill at around day 125

Zeruis

I doubt it. I think Day 400 is past the Woodbury storyline in the comics. And I think I remember one of the devs saying that making references or having comic characters in the game would be nice, but it'd be important that the game deviates enough from the comic so it won't "tread the same ground."

Rock114

I'm fairly certain that the Woodbury vs Prison stuff was over by 400 days in, or close to it. I'm going to say no, and I think that it's another community.

Baddestsupercec

I hope not. Telltale said they're trying to do things different than how it is in the show and comic.

Abel

No, it would be way to difficult to do with the comic lore in mind.

BlankCanvasDJ

Rock114 wrote: »

I'm fairly certain that the Woodbury vs Prison stuff was over by 400 days in, or close to it. I'm going to say no, and I think that it's another community.

It was. I'm pretty sure it was less than a year from the outbreak that the Woodbury/prison stuff happened.

But then the timeline is all confusing anyway. In the comics, Kirkman says the outbreak took place in October but in the games, it took place in...well, I honestly have no idea when it took place in, in the game.

That said, I know Telltale wants to stray away from directly following the comics - and that's a good thing - but can you imagine a season where you become part of Woodbury and the "bad guys" end up being Rick's group from the prison?

kikyouchanx

I had that feeling too. I hope it isn't Woodbury and it's just some new settlement.

PotatoCat

Is the the camp in the general Macon area? Because if so, a brief look at google maps can undermine the Woodbury rumours.

Deventh

One question:
How long after the infection is it that Rick's group find the Governor? Because in the game it's past 400 days and i would think that the game is actually further than Rick at that point?

Rock114

At around 400 days, I think Rick would have begun traveling north to Washington DC with Abraham Ford, and I'm fairly certain that the timeline in the comics has passed the two year mark by this point, while 400 days is just a little over a year.

slimymeteor

The unfortunate thing is, the story of Woodbury has pretty much been completely told. There is a trilogy of novels covering Woodbury and the Governor extensively (the third one comes out thid fall). Considering the Lilly fiasco that happened with the second novel, I do not think Telltale will want to risk another continuity mixup like that. I also think the prison and Woodbury war happened sooner.

With that said, the settlement Tavia described certainly reminded me of Woodbury, and I did think there was a chance that was what she was talking about. Seeing the Governor in the game would kick ass! I just think it is going to be an original location.

TrueXus

Rock114 wrote: »

At around 400 days, I think Rick would have begun traveling north to Washington DC with Abraham Ford, and I'm fairly certain that the timeline in the comics has passed the two year mark by this point, while 400 days is just a little over a year.

I'm in agreement with this. It was like the next summer afther the outbreak that Rick and Co. Fight with Woodbury (around this time of year, June-Early July and I remember it being hot out in the comic). 400 days though, I think Rick and his Son would maybe still be alone, a little time out from meeting Abraham.

BlankCanvasDJ

Hold on...now that I think about it, why can't it be Woodbury? Woodbury won the fight against Rick's group and just because the Governor died doesn't mean all the survivors would have just packed up and left. They likely would have returned to Woodbury or taken over Rick's prison. Maybe the safe haven is a post-Governor Woodbury.

And it would even give Telltale and interesting way to bring Lily back without treading on already-explored canon (assuming Telltale still considers her to be the same Lily, after Kirkman's book).

HiggsBoson2142

BlankCanvasDJ wrote: »

Hold on...now that I think about it, why can't it be Woodbury? Woodbury won the fight against Rick's group and just because the Governor died doesn't mean all the survivors would have just packed up and left. They likely would have returned to Woodbury or taken over Rick's prison. Maybe the safe haven is a post-Governor Woodbury.

And it would even give Telltale and interesting way to bring Lily back without treading on already-explored canon (assuming Telltale still considers her to be the same Lily, after Kirkman's book).

I actually like that idea a lot!

Rock114

Never actually thought of it being post Prison War Woodbury. If it didn't get overrun by walkers due to nearly every able bodied person being at the prison, then that might actually work. That would be interesting.

doom saber

Zeruis wrote: »

I doubt it. I think Day 400 is past the Woodbury storyline in the comics. And I think I remember one of the devs saying that making references or having comic characters in the game would be nice, but it'd be important that the game deviates enough from the comic so it won't "tread the same ground."

As much as I would love to see more direct TWD references in the TT adventure title, I think it would contradict both the comic and tv series - the cameos by Heresel, Lilly, and Glen contradicts the comic book in some degree

doom saber

BlankCanvasDJ wrote: »

Hold on...now that I think about it, why can't it be Woodbury? Woodbury won the fight against Rick's group and just because the Governor died doesn't mean all the survivors would have just packed up and left. They likely would have returned to Woodbury or taken over Rick's prison. Maybe the safe haven is a post-Governor Woodbury.

And it would even give Telltale and interesting way to bring Lily back without treading on already-explored canon (assuming Telltale still considers her to be the same Lily, after Kirkman's book).

I like that idea a lot, but one of the gripes I have with the settlement is if it is another Woodbury because that idea of a settlement with an evil dictator has been done to death (the original Woodbury, the city in season 1 episode 4, Roman's post invasion camp, and Russell's old camp.)

anonymau5

First playing 400 days, I figured that they were going to go the Woodbury route, but the more I thought about it, the less I believed that. I mean, TellTale doesn't seem like they would do that. I think that we'll have our main character (whoever that may be) end up at the settlement and be incredibly suspicious of the place. Basically assuming that it's like woodbury. Everything will begin to point to that, but eventually it will be shown that our hero/heroine was completely wrong the whole time, the settlement is exactly as it advertized. No corrupt leaders, no cannibalism, no insane cult ruling behind the shadows.

However, due to our hero/heroine's constant meddling, they'll have ruined it. They'll be kicked out or take the whole place down, causing multiple deaths. I'm thinking this could be the subject of maybe the first two episodes. The following ones will be with our hero/heroine dealing with the consequences of his/her actions accompanied by a small group of close friends.

At least I hope that's what happens.

(Also, this post marks my triumphant return to these forums. If anyone remembers me, hi.)

Robert Morgan

anonymau5 wrote: »

I think that we'll have our main character (whoever that may be) end up at the settlement and be incredibly suspicious of the place. Basically assuming that it's like woodbury. Everything will begin to point to that, but eventually it will be shown that our hero/heroine was completely wrong the whole time, the settlement is exactly as it advertized. No corrupt leaders, no cannibalism, no insane cult ruling behind the shadows.

However, due to our hero/heroine's constant meddling, they'll have ruined it. They'll be kicked out or take the whole place down, causing multiple deaths. I'm thinking this could be the subject of maybe the first two episodes. The following ones will be with our hero/heroine dealing with the consequences of his/her actions accompanied by a small group of close friends.

Heh...a rare case in THE WALKING DEAD where cynicism becomes the group's undoing. Even if your PC tries to play nice with the settlement, the "realistic" attitude of your friends still ultimately wrecks everything. I like it.