Lilly and Roman similar
Am i the only who thinks that Lilly and Roman are similar as leaders ?
Both of them want to protect group and they care about their people but they go to far about protection .
When one person from their group steals supplies and medicine , they decide to punish that person by killing him/her and they think that it's the only solution and they think they have the right to do it .
So do you guys think that Lilly and Roman are similar as leaders ?
Both of them want to protect group and they care about their people but they go to far about protection .
When one person from their group steals supplies and medicine , they decide to punish that person by killing him/her and they think that it's the only solution and they think they have the right to do it .
So do you guys think that Lilly and Roman are similar as leaders ?
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I thought exactly the same thing. Both Lily and Roman have this desire to be in control, though I think Roman seemed to be alot more calmer. Maybe because he was from a Band and not a Military background like Lily.
I also saw a slight resemblance between Shel and Becca's relationship and Lee and Clementine's.
This might be why most people are predicting/hopeful that Shel will be the next protagonist in Season 2.
As of now, we will just have to wait and see....
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Lilly seemed like she wanted to keep a static group and punish people for breaking the rules, but she never had the backbone to do it. She just yelled at people and then when her dad started getting angry calmed down, rinse and repeat. It wasn't until the trauma of the world destroyed her mind that she finally cracked and killed someone.
Roman on the other hand is just insane. He has zero qualms about murdering his own people, keeping them locked away from the world and treating them like slaves. Not only that but he forces his own people to kill each other as a form of punishment.
I never thought I'd say this, but...after looking back on things, Lilly was really tame compared to Roman. I still despise her, but i would live with her instead of Roman.
I seriously doubt Roman is insane. What he's doing is probably much nearer to martial law, but even then you all have a vote on whether to kill the thief or not and he ABIDES by the decision - a lunatic would just have shot him or the people who disagreed with him. Its a difficult time and people just don't have the luxury of seeing things as they normally are.
He takes his time when deciding something : as we can see, he listens to our arguments when it comes to whether we should kill the dude, and though he'd rather kill him, he lets him go if people voted against his death. At the contrary, in such a situation, our Lilly wouldn't give a shit about other people's opinion and she'd rather be hysteric about everyone being against her.
Moreover, the way Lilly handles the Ben situation is really different of Roman's. She wanted to kill him because she FELT Ben COULD be guilty, her only arguments against him being that he didn't have anyone to take care about and that he was nervous. She shot Carley because of pure hate, and she tried to shoot Ben because she feared that people might keep him in the group, therefore going against her.
On the other hand, Stephanie's failed attempt to escape the camp was a certainty. Killing her was the only possible decision, giving the fact that she betrayed them by going with supplies the group needed, and eventually joining the adversary camp. Keeping her alive meant that the group needed to leave her behind and moving somewhere else, which would cost them a safe place with supplies and food, a kind of thing that is rare during an apocalypse.
Roman killed because it was necessary for the survival of the group, while Lilly killed because she didn't want people to be against her again.
I meant after the "incident" where the diner was attacked. At that point he IS insane, he basically forces Shel to kill Stephanie as punishment for letting the captured guy go(if you go that route). They state that he would take the time out of his day to actively HUNT DOWN anyone who leaves the diner, just so he can kill them to keep their location secret. That's far worse than Lilly.
As Shel can say... "That's not self-defense."
I saw Roman's tightening of security later on harsh, but fair. I had voted to let the guy go, which got Boyd killed. He wasn't insane, he was just making absolutely SURE that his group would be safe. Stephanie took a bunch of their ammo and medicine and tried to run away, which likely could have meant their death if the other group had attacked again. She needed to be dealt with. Making Shel do it wasn't so much punishing her as having her deal with her own mistake, because letting that guy go actually WAS a mistake. Even if you kill the first guy, Roman makes it clear before he pulls the trigger, that if they ever come to that situation again, someone else will have to do it because they were a group, and in it together.
No He makes Shel kill Stephanie because she stole almost their entire supplies of medicine and ammo. They know they can't let her go especially if you let the first guy go. As well would you want someone perhaps going and telling your location to another group, that already happened once to them if you let the guy go and Boyd dies. He's hardly crazy. I mean even Becca says that what Stephanie did was stupid and could have put everyone at risk, and this is the girl who seemed to be close to Stephanie.
I suppose his decisions there were rational, but when it got to the point where he won't allow you to leave, that's where it gets crazy. I don't care if the world's gone to hell, if i want to leave, no one has a say in it.
Look at Lee's group, sure it wasn't the best setup and people died but they never dedicated themselves to killing people who knew were they were. Even with Roman's "security" people kept dying one way or another.
Though in all honesty he probably wouldn't chase them down. If he did make the threat to the group that "If you run away I will chase and kill you." I still highly doubt he would. I feel that type of thing is used mostly as a scare tactic, because honestly, if someone went running off in the RV he would need a car to chase them down just as fast, so then you have a wild goose chase to who knows where, I mean he may check around close to the camp, but if you left like Shel did I highly doubt he would ever try to chase you out of the sheer fact the he himself probably wouldn't make it back.
What I definitely got off of Roman and the truck stop camp was some serious Crawford vibes. (Makes it sort of ironic that the cancer survivors were there, doesn't it?) Although you know, at least in Crawford, they were willing to let people leave--they just couldn't come back after. Versus Roman's hunting down people who left/tried to leave.
Haha, the cancer survivors are turning their own group into Crawford Version 2.0.
I feel no pity
I agree with you. Roman reminded me of Shane in the TV series when he wanted to kill Randall so he wouldn't tell others about the farm.
I don't know man! I mean no one was more against Lilly than Kenny and she never even threatened him or saught revenge for him killing her dad. When she did kill Carly and Doug her facial expression suggests she regreted it straight away and acknowledged that she had fucked up. She looked more scared than any thing and it was that fear that caused her to rat out Lee to the group. When she shot Carly and Doug it was because she had lost it plain and simple. If hatrid or evil were her motives Kenny would have died the night of the farm, Lilly had a sniper riffle and her anger about her dad's murder was at it's strongest.
We get a good sense of what Roman was like from the characters comments. Shel's fear of her kid sister sneaking out of the compound to play suggests, at least, that she thinks Roman woud have killed her for that. No one in the group agrees with the way Roman runs things by day 259 but they are too scared to say anything.
Lilly gave Ben a chance to fess up so there was an opportunity for discussion however brief. Roman wouldn't even allow Shel to speak to Stephanie first to understand why she did it.
At the end of the day Roman's people were scared shitless of the guy. Making him more like the Governor in my books.(pun intended) Ben was only scared of Lilly because he was guilty. Roman started out cool but lost it, just in a different way from Lilly.
" Lilly would have blown the guy's head off no questions asked instead of listening to what the group thought was best." You can't possibly know that. Even when Lilly was mentally unstable she agreed to take a vote. Personally I think she was trying to scare Ben into admitting he was working with the bandits and became flustered, frustrated and lost her control. She wouldn't have killed him had she of been of sound mind. I'm sure Lilly would have preferred to kick him out of the RV and save the bullets for walkers. She knew the group wouldn't kick Ben out the group so she tried to kill him in her unstable state. If the group voted for Ben to be abandoned Lilly would have saved the bullet and left him in the wilderness to the walkers. Come to think of it when Ben turned up at the motor inn her issue wasn't that he knew where they were and could come back it was that they couldn't spare the resources. She said in one conversation that after Kat fixed Ben's teacher/friend that they would have to go. So they would have been able to leave. Lee brought them back, she didn't know anything about them but because they weren't a threat she wouldn't have had a problem with them leaving.
As for Roman being calm, that is disturbing in it self because he is in control, calculating and knows what he is doing. Lilly was on the brink of breaking down from the episode began. The Governor is also very calm but deep down his a fuckin maniac. What makes it worst, like the Governor Roman knows what he's doing.
Roman doesn't seem capable of empathy. It's gruesome that one of his totalitarian policies is to kill anyone who leaves the group. And it was just a shade creepy that he seemed to try sidle up to Becca after her guitar performance by dropping that line about being in a band.
Well lets think about that for a minute. He risked his life leaving the safety of the compound on foot with Stephanie to hunt down and kill Dee, Bonnie and Leland on day 220 way before he tightened the security, became a prison guard,increased in paranoia and sentanced Stephanie to death. If Roman and Stephanie would sacrifice their lives pursuing Dee and co on foot for a hand luggage worth of supplies what do you think he would do to Shel and Becca for stealing an RV. It's a mobile home that probably had far more supplies than what Dee and Stephanie had stolen combined. As survivors were few and far between by the time Shel gets her opportunity to escape it wouldn't be as hard for him to track them as one might think. He may even have some idea of the direction they would head in based on his relationship with them and the conversations they had. Clem's kidnapper was willing to travel all the way to Savannah to get revenge on Lee's group so I wouldn't rule out him trying. Since there are plenty of cars but no drivers Roman wouldn't have had to much difficulty fueling a vehicle and pursuing them, they were stationed at a gas stop after all. Hell we might even see him pop up in season 2.
Yes but Dee wasn't busting out of there in a motor vehicle, as well they chased Dee within close proximity to the gas station. Not only that but it was the entire group not just Roman and Stephanie. I could see Boyd and Clive in the cornfields as well. And as I said the cornfield was quite literally close enough to the gas station it wasn't even that dangerous. Along with that Roman and co, stopped giving chase after awhile allowing Bonnie, and Leeland to get away.
And yes Roman could go on a goose chase, but I don't think he would abandon his group completely to chase after shel. Campman did follow Clem all the way to Savanha yes, but look where that got him, as well look at when campman started following Lee and co, he had basically lost his entire family and had nothing left and only felt anger and hate at Lee's group for taking everything from him. I mean if Shel saw Roman behind her she probably wouldn't stop until they ran out of gas in which case Roman probably wouldn't be so hot on gas, if he followed her that far. As well at the time it looked like the only working vehicle they had at the time was the RV, yes he could salvage a car, but how long do you think that would take. It took Kenny 3 months to repair the RV. All I'm saying is Roman does not seem like the type of guy to waster so many resources on a wild goose chase. So basically What I'm saying is that it's highly improbable he would actually give chase.
Time will tell I guess. The way I saw it, both shel and Becca who knew him pretty well seemed to think it was a possibility. By that I mean that he would kill them if he found them or at least pursue them. That was what swayed their decission to go with Tavia. They seem to know or have a strong sense of what he's capable off. I mean Shel even feared he would kill Becca if he knew she was playing outside of the compound. I got the impression he was relentless and would be too pissed to let something like that go if he saw Stephanie's theft as putting his and the rest of the group's life at risk. We know he wasn't at the truck stop when Tavia picked up the photo's so we know they left. It would have made sense for the 3/4 of them to leave the truck stop the same day Shel and Becca left because it would have been dangerous for them to stay since they were vulnerable once Shel brought down the wall during her escape. What could be interesting is if he is already at Tavia's settlement.
Though I agree in a real life situation it would be improbable for him to find them and he probably wouldn't be arsed, 1 it's a telltale game so I wouldn't rule it out and 2 I was saying I felt he had the propensity to do so and the reasons why. I definitely didn't get the impression he was bluffing or was using scare tactics to establish order in his group. To be honest he reminds me a lot of the Governor. He didn't allow people to leave either and he definitely would pursue those who escaped. I think many of the characters we meet in the game will be inspired by characters from the comic and the show. Nate has a Merle type vibe about him, the ST Johns were inspired by the cannibals that attacked Dale and I definitely saw Roman as a cross between the TV show version of Shane and the Governor.
To be fair we don't exactly know what would have happened had Lee, Clem and maybe doug/Carley decided to leave the motor inn - Lilly was on the edge and, well look what happened later on.
Is Roman the type of person i'd have a pint with, hmm don't know really, but one thing is sure if everyone starts stealing ammo, meds etc why even bother - it's not like you can order out for more as it's an apocalypse and normal rules just don't apply.
I don't watch the TV series as I don't have SKY and wasn't enamoured by the bits I have seen at relatives but didn't Rick even say later on that 'this isn't a democracy' and he's a 'good guy'.