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Sympathy for the cancer patients ?

master psychicmaster psychic
edited July 2013 in The Walking Dead
So now we know that the cancer patients never meant to harm Lee and the group but Vernon wanted the boat and he proved to be a bad apple .
So should we feel sorry for them , or continue to hate them ?
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  • 07JonesJ07JonesJ
    edited July 2013
    I felt sorry for Boyd. :'(
  • CrixusCrixus
    edited July 2013
    Boyd was the only one who showed remorse,the others didn't regret what they were doing. As Lee Said "Fuck'em, saints or sinners, cancer or no cancer, they were people who knew what they were doing". Then Kenny perfectly captured the scene when he said "Yeah Fucking us".
  • Geo92Geo92
    edited July 2013
    I hate them all except Boyd. It felt good, in a strange kind of way, to hear that Vernon got what was coming to him for stealing the boat in the first place.
  • SideKickinSideKickin
    edited July 2013
    No sympathy for you!

    Don't get me wrong, cancer is terrible, but (at least in this fictional setting) it kinda takes a back seat to the horrors of the zombie apocalypse.

    It sucks, I know. But I've been through my share of hardships too. So don't expect me to casually shrug it off when you hijack my g-darn boat.

    :)
  • HudomonkeyHudomonkey
    edited July 2013
    Nothing would have changed if they hadn't stolen the boat...
    Lee would have still turned Kenny still would have died and then they wouldn't really have had time to actually use the boat before they all died...
    Vernon saved Omid's life and probably helped the group more then he hindered it...
  • JakeSt123JakeSt123
    edited July 2013
    Boyd seems like a good guy, but a pushover. I'm glad Vernon got what was coming to him but Joyce and definitely Clive seem less defendable.
  • Nate the GreatNate the Great
    edited July 2013
    Boyd is epic but the rest are assholes.

    Ill give Clive some slack because he has an Afro
  • Bioshock Infinite WDBioshock Infinite WD
    edited July 2013
    I don't hate them all, maybe Vernon but the rest are okay I guess, Boyd is the one I respect, shame that he is the only one that can die.
  • PiastPiast
    edited July 2013
    WalkingDeadFan23 wrote: »
    Boyd is epic but the rest are assholes.

    Ill give Clive some slack because he has an Afro
    same for me.
  • Bioshock Infinite WDBioshock Infinite WD
    edited July 2013
    I agree, he is so right.
  • master psychicmaster psychic
    edited July 2013
    Wow a tie . As Glados would say in Poker Night 2
    " We have a tie , and the pot is split . "
  • Bioshock Infinite WDBioshock Infinite WD
    edited July 2013
    Plus one for another Telltale game reference.
  • ZacTBZacTB
    edited July 2013
    I feel sorry for Boyd, and Brie seemed like a good person too. I couldn't give two shits about the rest.
  • Rock114Rock114
    edited July 2013
    I hate Vernon, for obvious reasons, but Brie seemed like an OK person, asie from wanting Vernon to blow my head off upon first meeting. Some introduction, but she was just being careful I guess. I'm not sure what to make of Joyce or Clive, but I like Boyd. I feel sorry for him, at the very least since it seems he never wanted to take the boat in the first place. He was cool, but then he died because I let the prisoner go :(
  • Bioshock Infinite WDBioshock Infinite WD
    edited July 2013
    Which is why I replayed and made sure that guy died, I mean I would have been okay if it was Clive or Joyce but why Boyd, You can't just kill Morgan Freeman off just like that, even if it's the Walking Dead.
  • NotablyUnstableNotablyUnstable
    edited July 2013
    Here's a question: How many of the people condemning Vernon's decision took the supplies from the station wagon? It's probably been discussed before, but was there really much of a difference between those choices?
  • FirewallcanoFirewallcano
    edited July 2013
    I don't really feel either I don't hate them or feel sorry for them, i get why they did it and thats it. Hating them wont change a thing. The only character I felt especially sorry for was the kids as they had to grow up in this world and for Kat when duck was bitten :(

    Oh and Boyd was kind of Naive... letting him go AND giving him supplies WHY?:confused:
  • ZacTBZacTB
    edited July 2013
    NotablyUnstable wrote: »
    Here's a question: How many of the people condemning Vernon's decision took the supplies from the station wagon? It's probably been discussed before, but was there really much of a difference between those choices?

    I'm a massive hypocrite but I don't care, screw Vernon :D
  • Bioshock Infinite WDBioshock Infinite WD
    edited July 2013
    I did not take anything from the wagon because Clementine said so, bu somehow I don't hate Vernon, unless he screwed his own people over, then I hate him.
  • The LawThe Law
    edited July 2013
    NotablyUnstable wrote: »
    Here's a question: How many of the people condemning Vernon's decision took the supplies from the station wagon? It's probably been discussed before, but was there really much of a difference between those choices?

    Vernon taking the Boat was stealing, as it was in the possession of Lee's Group.

    The Station Wagon full of supplies had no known owner. It was left with the doors unlocked, the keys in the ignition and the lights on. The Stranger wasn't asking for it to be taken - he was begging for it to be taken.

    Finder's Keepers.
  • NotablyUnstableNotablyUnstable
    edited July 2013
    The Law wrote: »
    Finder's Keepers.

    Yes, the international law of go f*** yourself. It started pretty easy in episode 1: shoot the woman who'd been bitten or save the bullet, not hard to decide what's right or wrong in that situation. In episode 2 it was take the supplies or leave them, a decision I agonised over. In episode 3 we were given the choice to shoot a woman who was about to die a horrible death, or let her be a distraction while you get the 'much needed supplies'. In episode 4 we were confronted with Crawford and the evil that we can become, and then we were given the chance to become like them: leave Ben behind or save him. In episode 5 we weren't given the choice. Vernon made the choice to steal the boat because the only other option was to try survive in a city that was about to be completely overrun.

    We knew full well that taking the supplies was killing someone. In the same way, Vernon knew that taking the boat would probably kill everyone in Lee's group.

    Do I hate him? Hell yeah.

    If I was in his shoes, would I do the same thing?
  • The LawThe Law
    edited July 2013
    NotablyUnstable wrote: »
    We knew full well that taking the supplies was killing someone.

    No we didn't, liar.
  • MickHMickH
    edited July 2013
    NotablyUnstable wrote: »
    Here's a question: How many of the people condemning Vernon's decision took the supplies from the station wagon? It's probably been discussed before, but was there really much of a difference between those choices?

    The station wagon was 'abandoned' for all intents and purposes. Lee's group would, unless by fate they dropped on another food cache, die of starvation without those supplies - they had to take them.

    The boat had owners which were already known and who were alive, Lee's group, Vernon was well aware of this yet still stole it.

    Two completely different scenarios.
  • NotablyUnstableNotablyUnstable
    edited July 2013
    The Law wrote: »
    No we didn't, liar.

    Yeah we did. No one in their right mind would have left those supplies there without meaning to come back.
    MickH wrote: »
    Lee's group would, unless by fate they dropped on another food cache, die of starvation without those supplies - they had to take them.

    If only there was a farm nearby...
  • Rock114Rock114
    edited July 2013
    For all we knew, the owners were dead. Nobody in their right mind would simply LEAVE those supplies like that unless they WANTED them to be taken, were dead, or simply stupid.

    And the only farm nearby was swarming with walkers. The group had barely escaped it (loosing two members, and sustaining one injured), and even if there weren't any walkers, the only readily available source of food was HUMAN FLESH.
  • NotablyUnstableNotablyUnstable
    edited July 2013
    Rock114 wrote: »
    For all we knew, the owners were dead. Nobody in their right mind would simply LEAVE those supplies like that unless they WANTED them to be taken, were dead, or simply stupid.

    You've got me there. Yes Campman was pretty stupid.
    Rock114 wrote: »
    And the only farm nearby was swarming with walkers. The group had barely escaped it (loosing two members, and sustaining one injured), and even if there weren't any walkers, the only readily available source of food was HUMAN FLESH.
    • Macon was also swarming with walkers, yet at the start of episode 3 Lee and Kenny took their chances.
    • The group lost two members because of the St. Johns, not because of the walkers.
    • The St. Johns didn't have just meat at the farm, there was other food too. When you first arrive at the farm Brenda gives Carley/Doug and Ben some food that didn't look like meat, at least to me.
  • Cthulhu42Cthulhu42
    edited July 2013
    I don't hate the cancer patients; in their situation, I probably would have taken the boat too.
  • Rock114Rock114
    edited July 2013
    Lee and Kenny took their chances in Macon because the walkers weren't literally covering every inch of every street. You can see the size of the horde that shows up just as you are elaving the dairy, and it's pretty clear that that place won't benearly as "safe" (I use that word loosely in this case) as Macon would be. The fact that the St. Johns killed Larry and Mark doesn't matter: the group was down two members, possibly three with Kenny's wound, and it would have been unwise to go back to the dairy when walkers were swarming it. They don't even know where the St. Johns store anything other than their human flesh, which was in the meat locker, so rooting around a zombie infested dairy formerly owned by cannibals just for a few loaves of bread isn't worth it.
  • The LawThe Law
    edited July 2013
    Also, Lee's Group consisted of:

    A History Teacher (Lee)
    The Captain of a Fishing Vessel (Kenny)
    Two Schoolkids (Clementine & Duck)
    A Veterinarian (Katjaa)
    A Radio News Reporter (Carly) / IT Technician (Doug)
    An Air Force Engineer (Lily)
    A High School Teenager (Ben)

    How are people of these professions supposed to run a farm without having any prior knowledge of how to do so?

    I know it was possible for Rick's group - they had Hershel...

    Maybe if Lee had Travis - his dad was Special Forces...
  • Bioshock Infinite WDBioshock Infinite WD
    edited July 2013
    And we all needed just that.
  • MerakMissile2MerakMissile2
    edited July 2013
    I don't understand all the Vernon hate. If a group of strangers came to town with a gigantic horde of zombies, got one of my group members killed, and planned to ditch town and leave my people behind with the boat that I risked my life to help them get...

    I would have stolen that boat and never looked back.

    So yeah, I feel sorry for all of them.
  • NotablyUnstableNotablyUnstable
    edited July 2013
    The Law wrote: »
    Also, Lee's Group consisted of:

    A History Teacher (Lee)
    The Captain of a Fishing Vessel (Kenny)
    Two Schoolkids (Clementine & Duck)
    A Veterinarian (Katjaa)
    A Radio News Reporter (Carly) / IT Technician (Doug)
    An Air Force Engineer (Lily)
    A High School Teenager (Ben)

    How are people of these professions supposed to run a farm without having any prior knowledge of how to do so?

    I never said they need to run the farm, I said they should have looted it. The St. Johns were bad people but they weren't stupid - they would have had plenty of food stored away somewhere.
  • HiggsBoson2142HiggsBoson2142
    edited July 2013
    Seriously! Is there anyone here that didn't have to deal with the news of Boyd dying!? In that, you killed the robber?
  • HiggsBoson2142HiggsBoson2142
    edited July 2013
    The Law wrote: »
    Also, Lee's Group consisted of:

    A History Teacher (Lee)
    The Captain of a Fishing Vessel (Kenny)
    Two Schoolkids (Clementine & Duck)
    A Veterinarian (Katjaa)
    A Radio News Reporter (Carly) / IT Technician (Doug)
    An Air Force Engineer (Lily)
    A High School Teenager (Ben)

    Man...that makes them sound really different.
  • The LawThe Law
    edited July 2013
    HiggsBoson2142 wrote: »
    Seriously! Is there anyone here that didn't have to deal with the news of Boyd dying!? In that, you killed the robber?

    I killed him - but I let Stephanie live by fleeing in the RV...
  • master psychicmaster psychic
    edited July 2013
    The Law wrote: »
    I killed him - but I let Stephanie live by fleeing in the RV...
    She's still in Roman's group, and you see her in the cornfield chasing Bonnie's story.

    Actually Bonnie's story was before Shel's story .
    Bonnie - 220
    Shel - 236 , 259 .
  • The LawThe Law
    edited July 2013
    master psychic wrote: »
    Actually Bonnie's story was before Shel's story .
    Bonnie - 220
    Shel - 236 , 259 .

    My mistake - I played Bonnie's last, you see...
    Edited my previous post. Thanks.
  • HudomonkeyHudomonkey
    edited July 2013
    The Law wrote: »
    I killed him - but I let Stephanie live by fleeing in the RV...

    It won't save Stephanie though...
    She would be killed almost instantly by the other Survivors...
  • MickHMickH
    edited July 2013
    NotablyUnstable wrote: »
    Yeah we did. No one in their right mind would have left those supplies there without meaning to come back.



    If only there was a farm nearby...

    You mean the one over run by the walking dead, previously occupied by cannibal rednecks?

    Sounds ok to me :eek:

    PS Also most of the 'food' was human.
  • HiggsBoson2142HiggsBoson2142
    edited July 2013
    The Law wrote: »
    My mistake - I played Bonnie's last, you see...
    Edited my previous post. Thanks.

    Same here. I thought if the others were chronological, so would the other two!
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