How do you think it would be different if Carley lived?

edited July 2013 in The Walking Dead
If she hadn't died to Lilly, do you think she would have died later, or lived through to whole game? What about Lee? Do you think they would get married? What if Ben got shot instead? How different do you think the story would be?
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  • edited July 2013
    I think Carley would have survived the whole game, I can't think of a good moment to kill her off after the RV part that would not come off as cheap.
  • edited July 2013
    She and Lee woulda got nasty :cool:
  • edited July 2013
    She would have kept an eye on Clementine at the house, Molly would have killed Lee, Kenny would have shot Molly, zombies would have gotten Kenny, Omid would die and bite Christa, Carley shoots Omid, Lilly kills Christa.
    Ben gets whoever is left killed.

    One of many possibilities, but it will always end with Ben gets whoever is left killed
  • edited July 2013
    That might be a little extreme, and I remember being able to kick Molly's ass.
  • edited July 2013
    Okay, Molly leaves Ken and Lee behind, they both get eaten by zombies.

    Infinite possibilities really.
    There's only one constant, Ben screws up. :)
  • edited July 2013
    Probably the end would be a little different, Ben died, would have fewer casualties.
  • edited July 2013
    I think everyone would still be alive tbh
  • edited July 2013
    Not everyone, Carley would have lived through the whole thing that is the only thing I guess would have happened.
  • edited July 2013
    Since I got so bloody sad and annoyed when she died so outrageously out of random, I found myself thinking throughout the rest of episode 3 and most of 4 about "what would this scene be if Carley was alive". Hell, I dunno, I reckon she'd be Lee's 2nd in command, as well as the only person he can truly confide to, because Lilly had become unhinged and Kenny is, understandably, distraught by his wife and son's death. About that, I reckon maybe if the whole Lilly/Carley thing hadn't happened, Katja wouldn't have been pushed far enough to commit suicide, therefore, she'd be with us still. That does it for the train journey, I reckon she would've survived till they got into the house and she and Lee could've had a little privacy, something I'm sure all Carleymancers were looking forward after the little hints in the motel :)

    And after that... hell, her death could've been possible just about anywhere, probably the highest risk being in Crawford. If not lost directly to zombies, she could have fallen victim to a similar enviromental accident that costs us Kenny and Ben. I don't see her making it to the very end though, the very final scenes with the Stranger and Lee's death to me would have felt not quite so personal if there was someone else in the room. I reckon if she'd survived until then, she would have got seperated from Lee at the same time Omid and Christa did and her fate would have been left unexplored. She would have been a good candidate to trust with Clementine, I know I would have picked her when given the option.

    Yeah, I clearly have been thinking about this much, maybe too much :D
  • edited July 2013
    Not to much, I thought about pretty much everything you said except the 'Carleymancer' part.
  • edited July 2013
    Does this mean Lilly stays with the group as well? Either way I can't think of a way Carley would have died at a different point, and I think Lee and her relationship would get more serious. However I think Lee would have still got bitten, but I don't think she would have wanted to leave him like Christa and Omid did (only reason they did was because they were Clem's last hope as guardians for her, otherwise they would have argued more). So I'm not sure. She definitely would have supported Clementine and voted yes to keeping Ben in the group. I think she'd get along with Omid, but not Christa straight away, until later in Episode 4 when they start liking each other.

    I also think that Carley (and Doug) would have always gone with Lee at the end of Episode 4 under all circumstances UNLESS Lee says he wants to go alone (I think that is an option), in which they argue but Lee persuades them to stay at the mansion. They are pretty much loyal to Lee no matter what so I think they would have gone with him. Realistically thinking also, wouldn't this mean one of the group gets seperated from the others when they jump from the balcony in Episode 5? If three adults can get across it okay, then the fourth makes it less stable, and the fifth falls down into the alley. That would mean the sixth would be stuck in the bedroom where that couple killed themselves. But I'm sure if they were written into Episode 4 and 5 then Lee, Omid, Christa, Kenny and Carley would have gotten across fine and Ben would have still been the one to fall for story purposes.
  • edited July 2013
    Onmens wrote: »
    She would have kept an eye on Clementine at the house, Molly would have killed Lee, Kenny would have shot Molly, zombies would have gotten Kenny, Omid would die and bite Christa, Carley shoots Omid, Lilly kills Christa.
    Ben gets whoever is left killed.

    One of many possibilities, but it will always end with Ben gets whoever is left killed
    One problem: You can actually beat up Molly. Telltale would just give you a hard scene over and over until you can beat her. Luckily, I somehow beat her on my first try. :eek: But, that would end this chain reaction, because Lee wasn't going to shoot Molly (if you beat her up). Also, Carley may have gone with Lee, too. Kenny could have stayed, gotten drunk and Clementine could have wandered off, again. So, yeah.
  • edited July 2013
    One problem: You can actually beat up Molly. Telltale would just give you a hard scene over and over until you can beat her. Luckily, I somehow beat her on my first try. :eek:

    Same here.
  • edited July 2013
    Her death in episode 5 would only be more sad.
  • edited July 2013
    I almost did the first try, I missed the second click.
  • edited July 2013
    I think Carley would have survived the whole game, I can't think of a good moment to kill her off after the RV part that would not come off as cheap.

    To be fair, apart from one or two cases, heroic deaths weren't exactly our group's forte.
    Onmens wrote: »
    One of many possibilities, but it will always end with Ben gets whoever is left killed

    So let it be written.
  • edited July 2013
    True, I what would those two heroic deaths be, Kenny and maybe Doug, because you are right Lee's groups forte seems to be dying without reason, I think Ricks group has had a lot more heroic deaths.
  • edited July 2013
    Off topic but earlier I saw a really disturbing picture of Carley and the St Johns, really wish I hadn't clicked on it now I feel sick, who the crap puts something like that on the Internet (don't ask for a link you really don't want to know). Anyway I think Carley would probably survive to the end of the series and probably be at Lee's side maybe even stop him from being bitten some how. Then again there are never happy endings in the walking dead.
  • edited July 2013
    It's hard saying honestly. Also remember that if Carley isn't killed that would also mean that Lilly would still be with the group. Presumably all the way to Savannah. The group would have been a lot larger, whether that would have been a good or bad thing is up to all the fan fic writers out there. :p
  • edited July 2013
    Team Kenny Always I am not even going to ask were you found this 'pic' or what it even is, I can guess but I don't want to know, why don't we talk about how many fan fics about the Walking Dead are even out there?
  • edited July 2013
    Don't take it the wrong way Bio or anyone else, I don 't go searching for these type of 'pics' I'm not an inapportiate person.
  • edited July 2013
    Damn, curiosity is killing me. In what way was it disturbing, as in gory?
  • edited July 2013
    Nope, I myself have never seen these type of 'pics' but if I had to guess it was somehow pornographic, I mean the internet is really just 60% porn anyway, I really don't want a confirmation but I am going to get one anyway.
  • edited July 2013
    DanJ555 wrote: »
    Her death in episode 5 would only be more sad.

    Hm, I would probably disagree with that. The reason Carley's death hit me on an emotional level way more than any other video game character ever did, was because it seemed so random, unnecessary and easily avoidable. For me, when characters in any form of media are killed, what I feel depends on how much that characters was developed and whether or not they served their purpose/exhausted their potential.

    HEAVY TV SERIES SPOILERS AHEAD, DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN AT LEAST SEASON 2!

    For instance, when Dale, one of my favorite characters, died in the TV series, I felt like his character had served his purpose and my feeling was confirmed while I was watching season 3, I found myself thinking "Dale wouldn't have a place here, can't imagine him in these scenes".

    End of TV series spoilers.

    Unlike Carley, whose life was cut short just as she was receiving character development and becoming an important part in Lee's story. Her dying in the Episode 5 wouldn't have been as devastating, since we would probably be happy with the amount of time we got to know her. For me, Kenny's case was similar. I loved the character, but I didn't feel nearly as sad when he died towards the end, since the game was coming towards its conclusion anyway. Plus, his death had meaning, while Carley's... well, you know.
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    edited July 2013
    Well, episode 5 would have been less of a sausage fest for a start!
  • edited July 2013
    Also, Carley living and Lilly not taking off/being abandoned would present an interesting situation with the boat discussion. Room for five people, only in this case there would be nine to choose from. Not that the boat plan is actually ever carried out, but it would be a far more difficult choice regardless. Obviously Kenny, Lee and Clementine each get a spot, Carley probably would be a no brainer as well, since her and Lee's relationship would've likely strengthened further in 2 extra episodes. I would be kinda on the fence about the fifth member though. Depending on Lilly's mental condition I may keep her, thus preserving all the group members that have been with us the longest, or, if she keeps losing her shit like he did in all of season 3, I would likely swap her for Molly, since she seems damn useful. Ben would be left behind regardless, as he's far too much of a detriment for the group, and since there's only one spot, neither Omid, nor Christa would want to go, because they are very unlikely to seperate.
  • edited July 2013
    ZacTB wrote: »
    Damn, curiosity is killing me. In what way was it disturbing, as in gory?

    You don't want to know, you really don't want to know.
  • edited July 2013
    As I said before I am pretty sure it's not gory at all, something FAR worse then that, I hate myself for asking but was it rule 34?
  • edited July 2013
    Um I didn't really get a good look Bio, I clicked on it not knowing what it was and then realised and clicked away only a few seconds after. What do you think I did, sat and stared at that awful picture for 5 hours, dreweling, NO! That didn't happen! I will say it again I don't go hunting for these type of pics.
  • edited July 2013
    I did not expect you to look at it, if I was in the same situation I would do the same, I am just taking a guess as to what it is because after playing the Walking Dead being gory is not that disturbing compared to the other possibility, by the way who would go hunting for these types of things anyway?
  • edited July 2013
    *shrugs* people who are obsessed with Carley and want to see her you know... This is really awkward, I won't go any further than that (I treat everything that I type like its going to explode because I'm afraid of getting banned, weird I know.)
  • edited July 2013
    I know what you mean, I never talk about these things at all, and I never for one moment wanted to see like that, I do have to wonder what type of sick person makes these type of things and for what reason?
  • edited July 2013
    I don't know Bio, lets stop talking about it I really want to get it out of my mind, so lets let the other forum members talk about Carley if she didn't die.
  • edited July 2013
    Why not, lets get back to talking about how Carley is so not and dead and Kenny is dead, they makes a ton of sense.
  • edited July 2013
    I'm gonna try to help bring this topic back on the rail by quoting the last thing that was said on topic (by me!)
    Also, Carley living and Lilly not taking off/being abandoned would present an interesting situation with the boat discussion. Room for five people, only in this case there would be nine to choose from. Not that the boat plan is actually ever carried out, but it would be a far more difficult choice regardless. Obviously Kenny, Lee and Clementine each get a spot, Carley probably would be a no brainer as well, since her and Lee's relationship would've likely strengthened further in 2 extra episodes. I would be kinda on the fence about the fifth member though. Depending on Lilly's mental condition I may keep her, thus preserving all the group members that have been with us the longest, or, if she keeps losing her shit like he did in all of season 3, I would likely swap her for Molly, since she seems damn useful. Ben would be left behind regardless, as he's far too much of a detriment for the group, and since there's only one spot, neither Omid, nor Christa would want to go, because they are very unlikely to seperate.

    I guess that was a shameless self promotion :/ Sorry
  • edited July 2013
    Not really shameless self promotion, at least not yet anyway, sorry for dragging this thread through hell and back.
  • edited July 2013
    Yeah I'm sorry too, I started it after all :(
  • edited July 2013
    Well you are still alive aren't you, you still got blood in your heart, blood in your brain, you be fine.
  • edited July 2013
    I'm not really sure what you mean but ok.
  • edited July 2013
    Kenny's line at the end of Episode 3, I seem to remember almost every single line he says.
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