It's just getting personalty down tight, I mean what would Nate do, if he sees a pretty woman, around 20, with no one holding guns and there only being like for kids around the age of 15, we all know he wants his tail and all but what would he really do that that scene, and then there is easy stuff like Kenny would not like anyone he meets around Episode 4, so I have Lee, Clem, Ben, Kenny, Christa and Omid down pretty well. I am just asking what would Nate do the scenario above.
It's just getting personalty down tight, I mean what would Nate do, if he sees a pretty woman, around 20, with no one holding guns and there only being like for kids around the age of 15, we all know he wants his tail and all but what would he really do that that scene, and then there is easy stuff like Kenny would not like anyone he meets around Episode 4, so I have Lee, Clem, Ben, Kenny, Christa and Omid down pretty well. I am just asking what would Nate do the scenario above.
Hmm... I've seen some people say that Nate might be a rapist, but honestly I don't think that he is. I believe Nate is a bit of a perv, and if he were hitting on someone it would take alot of "no"s and "leave me alone"s to have him go away, but I don't think that he'd force himself on anyone.
Have you read my analysis posts for Nate? I think they might help you out. Here.
Okay, I will read that, but we really do not know for sure what he would do, maybe he would do nothing, maybe he would do something, that is why everyone likes him, we just do not know.
Okay, I will read that, but we really do not know for sure what he would do, maybe he would do nothing, maybe he would do something, that is why everyone likes him, we just do not know.
As long as you try your best I'm sure you'll do fine.
Alright, because in that situation I am thinking he would take advantage of it, I mean he is the man with the gun, no one else has guns, and the way he talked about getting tail is the only way to show you are a man is what tips me off a bit,
An interesting thing that has been said by some fans is that Molly is too unrealistic for the game and doesn’t fit the tone that had been established up to that point. The possible reasons for this mentality are:
In comparison to the other characters, she seems more at ease with dealing with the apocalypse. This isn’t to say that she finds her living conditions easy or stress free, but she does seem to be more adaptable and accepting of her situation.
Her “Badassness" (Note: A persons being dubbed as “badass" is subjective, but she has been referred as such in the past). While the other characters fight to survive in a way the the majority of people can relate to and see themselves doing, Molly’s survival skills and equipment are more atypical than previously seen in the game. Such as her ability to easily go from building to building, her unique signature weapon, and her (sightly) superior fighting skills.
With these two qualities, its understandable that she would stick out in people’s minds. But does that make her an unrealistic survivor?
No. Here’s why.
In real life there are people who have the ability to do things and react to situations that others can’t. It doesn’t make them abnormal, it just makes them different. Here’s an example:
In 2011, when the tsunami hit Japan, a man named Hideaki Akaiwa took in upon himself to save not only his family, but also other people that he could find. He did this by putting on a wetsuit and swimming in the dangerous water and damaged homes to save people.
What he did was amazing and something many people couldn’t do. Is he too “Badass" to exist? Does his mentality not fit the “tone" of life? Of course not. Though this may seem like an extreme example to use, it does show that different people act in various ways in any given situation, some of which are more incredible than others.
Molly’s behaviour isn’t unique to her, there must be many people in the apocalypse that act as she did. She just stands out more because she’s the only one in the story that we see acting this way.
I believe in the zombie apocalypse the badasses would be the first to go. So seeing as episode 4 is barely over 3 months in I didn't think she was too unrealistic, but I could see what she does leading to her downfall. Whether it be over confidence in fighting walkers or misjudging a building when she jumps. Hell Lee was a badass and look where that got him.
I believe in the zombie apocalypse the badasses would be the first to go. So seeing as episode 4 is barely over 3 months in I didn't think she was too unrealistic, but I could see what she does leading to her downfall. Whether it be over confidence in fighting walkers or misjudging a building when she jumps. Hell Lee was a badass and look where that got him.
...You know, when I first read this I didn't agree with you. But thinking about it, I actually understand what you mean.
Why are characters like her considered badass in the first place? One of the reasons is because they put their lives in danger or pull stunts and survive spectacularly. But if they're always putting their lives in danger they'll eventually get hurt or die.
The only way "badasses" would survive long is they were careful and smart about what they were doing, and even still they would be more likely to die sooner than "non-badasses" because of all the risks they take.
Molly is smart and she isn't that reckless, but I can see her falling to her death one day.
I believe in the zombie apocalypse the badasses would be the first to go. So seeing as episode 4 is barely over 3 months in I didn't think she was too unrealistic, but I could see what she does leading to her downfall. Whether it be over confidence in fighting walkers or misjudging a building when she jumps. Hell Lee was a badass and look where that got him.
Her getting overwhelmed so easily by zombies in Ep4 if not saved proves your point.
There are people who are concerned about Roman appearing in Season 2, since it is very likely that Shel and Becca will be appearing also. They believe that Roman will attempt to kill them if he sees them again. This is a reasonable assumption, after all Becca does say that Roman told everyone that he would come after them if they left.
But are their fears accurate? Will Roman really try to kill them if he sees them again? Before an answer can be attempted, it must be discussed how Roman would see Shel and Becca again.
Roman would not want to move what remains of his group. Even though Shel and Becca left with the RV, and Shephanie tried to steal from them, the group still has enough food, medical supplies, and a safe place to stay. Therefore, Roman wouldn’t be able to see Shel and Becca again, unless offered a safer place for his group to live. Offered by Tavia.
If Roman chose to leave, he and his group would be in the same settlement as Shel and Becca. Which means that he would have an opportunity to kill them if he wanted to.
But would he?
If we look at how he acted in Shel’s story, we see that he never killed anyone because he wanted to. He always felt it was necessary for the foreign man or Stephanie to die. Of course time changes people, as see as how Roman when from being somewhat relaxed to very strict, so he could go from kill only when necessary to killing for personal reasons.
This is what I think would happen. Roman sees Shel and Becca and becomes furious. He wouldn’t kill them though, instead he goes up to them and tells them that he will not allow them to do the same thing to this community as they did to his group. He’d say that if they even moved wrong that he would kill them for it. And then he’d watch Shel and Becca and wait for them to mess up.
It is also a possibility (Though how possible is subjective) that he would tell other people about what the two of them did so that, in Roman’s eyes, they would be prepared to deal with Shel and Becca if they tried anything. He would most likely tell the leaders of the community and not individual people, although he could go around telling everyone what happened. It all depends on how much of a threat he sees Shel and Becca to be.
So would Roman want revenge? I think he would, but he wouldn’t act on it unless they did something to ruin their second chance.
A few days ago there was a post asking why, if you choose to let Ben fall to his death, he screams for Lee to help him just before he gets eaten by the walkers. An explanation from the development side of things would show that they were reusing Ben’s lines from when the zombie had attacked him earlier.
But what about from a plot perspective?
Ben might have been suffering from depression for multiple reasons; he didn’t know whether or not his family was dead nor was he able to say goodbye to them, everyone he knew from school was dead or gone, and most importantly he was the reason why so many things were going wrong with the group he was now with and why some of them were dead.
By the time Lee was holding onto Ben in the bell tower, Ben had indirectly caused the deaths of four people, one of whom was a child. These deaths, especially that of Katjaa and Duck, were a huge weight on his mind. Maybe he might have been able to live with these deaths had he been a bigger help to the team. But as it was, he felt he was more harm than good to everyone.
So when his life was in Lee’s hands, Ben told Lee to drop him. Not just for his sake, but for everyone else too. He thought the one useful thing he could do was let himself be killed.
And then Lee drops him.
There is something that most people don’t know about suicide. If a person tries to kill themselves in a way that doesn’t instantaneously cause their death, they sometimes decide that they don’t want to die while they are killing themselves. Sometimes they can do something about it, such as throwing up the pills or calling the police after slitting their wrists. Sometimes there’s nothing they can do, such as when they’re hanging themselves or falling from a high place.
When Ben was falling, or when he hit the ground, he realized that he didn’t want to die. He didn’t want to be paralyzed. He didn’t want to be eaten to death by walkers. Even if all of that meant that he’d be useful to the rest of the group or forgiven by Kenny, he wanted to live.
So he screams for Lee to help him. He screams because he’s panicking and he’s scared and he doesn’t want to die. He wants Lee to save him. He wants another chance to make it up to everyone. He wants to be useful while he still breathes.
A few days ago there was a post asking why, if you choose to let Ben fall to his death, he screams for Lee to help him just before he gets eaten by the walkers. An explanation from the development side of things would show that they were reusing Ben’s lines from when the zombie had attacked him earlier.
But what about from a plot perspective?
Ben might have been suffering from depression for multiple reasons; he didn’t know whether or not his family was dead nor was he able to say goodbye to them, everyone he knew from school was dead or gone, and most importantly he was the reason why so many things were going wrong with the group he was now with and why some of them were dead.
By the time Lee was holding onto Ben in the bell tower, Ben had indirectly caused the deaths of four people, one of whom was a child. These deaths, especially that of Katjaa and Duck, were a huge weight on his mind. Maybe he might have been able to live with these deaths had he been a bigger help to the team. But as it was, he felt he was more harm than good to everyone.
So when his life was in Lee’s hands, Ben told Lee to drop him. Not just for his sake, but for everyone else too. He thought the one useful thing he could do was let himself be killed.
And then Lee drops him.
There is something that most people don’t know about suicide. If a person tries to kill themselves in a way that doesn’t instantaneously cause their death, they sometimes decide that they don’t want to die while they are killing themselves. Sometimes they can do something about it, such as throwing up the pills or calling the police after slitting their wrists. Sometimes there’s nothing they can do, such as when they’re hanging themselves or falling from a high place.
When Ben was falling, or when he hit the ground, he realized that he didn’t want to die. He didn’t want to be paralyzed. He didn’t want to be eaten to death by walkers. Even if all of that meant that he’d be useful to the rest of the group or forgiven by Kenny, he wanted to live.
So he screams for Lee to help him. He screams because he’s panicking and he’s scared and he doesn’t want to die. He wants Lee to save him. He wants another chance to make it up to everyone. He wants to be useful while he still breathes.
But it’s too late.
Welp, I regret dropping him even more now. Thanks bro. (Really though, good analysis).
A few days ago there was a post asking why, if you choose to let Ben fall to his death, he screams for Lee to help him just before he gets eaten by the walkers. An explanation from the development side of things would show that they were reusing Ben’s lines from when the zombie had attacked him earlier.
But what about from a plot perspective?
Ben might have been suffering from depression for multiple reasons; he didn’t know whether or not his family was dead nor was he able to say goodbye to them, everyone he knew from school was dead or gone, and most importantly he was the reason why so many things were going wrong with the group he was now with and why some of them were dead.
By the time Lee was holding onto Ben in the bell tower, Ben had indirectly caused the deaths of four people, one of whom was a child. These deaths, especially that of Katjaa and Duck, were a huge weight on his mind. Maybe he might have been able to live with these deaths had he been a bigger help to the team. But as it was, he felt he was more harm than good to everyone.
So when his life was in Lee’s hands, Ben told Lee to drop him. Not just for his sake, but for everyone else too. He thought the one useful thing he could do was let himself be killed.
And then Lee drops him.
There is something that most people don’t know about suicide. If a person tries to kill themselves in a way that doesn’t instantaneously cause their death, they sometimes decide that they don’t want to die while they are killing themselves. Sometimes they can do something about it, such as throwing up the pills or calling the police after slitting their wrists. Sometimes there’s nothing they can do, such as when they’re hanging themselves or falling from a high place.
When Ben was falling, or when he hit the ground, he realized that he didn’t want to die. He didn’t want to be paralyzed. He didn’t want to be eaten to death by walkers. Even if all of that meant that he’d be useful to the rest of the group or forgiven by Kenny, he wanted to live.
So he screams for Lee to help him. He screams because he’s panicking and he’s scared and he doesn’t want to die. He wants Lee to save him. He wants another chance to make it up to everyone. He wants to be useful while he still breathes.
The way that Telltale made Mark’s character is quiet unseen in comparison to how other story tellers would portray his character.
Mark’s role in the game was clearly for the purpose of being eaten. He was the designated victim that the story needed so that Lee and the others could find out that the St. Johns’ were cannibals. But while other stories would have made Mark be a very flat character because of his role in the story, Telltale made Mark have depth to him.
Yes, we do not know much about Mark’s character. But despite that, he still feels like a real person and not a plot element. From being frustrated with the conflict between the other characters, being weak due to the lack of food, and wanting to make a good impression with the St. Johns’, Mark had life in him.
That is one of the reasons why we are so shocked when we find Mark missing his limbs. We didn’t expect someone with so much life to be taken away in such a brutal fashion, even if we didn’t know him for long.
Mark was some sort of characters called "mauve shirt". The audience cares for and likes him but his only purpose is to get killed. Your analysis just sounds better though
Mark was some sort of characters called "mauve shirt". The audience cares for and likes him but his only purpose is to get killed. Your analysis just sounds better though
There's a TVtropes page on Mauve Shirts, if you're interested in reading a bit more into it.
These are some really good analyses, Visam! Keep up the good work.
Ah Tvtropes. Love that place.
And thank you. I plan to make more when I can come up with more things to write about. I wanted to make an analysis post about Doug but for the life of me I can't think of anything to write.
A few days ago there was a post asking why, if you choose to let Ben fall to his death, he screams for Lee to help him just before he gets eaten by the walkers. An explanation from the development side of things would show that they were reusing Ben’s lines from when the zombie had attacked him earlier.
But what about from a plot perspective?
Ben might have been suffering from depression for multiple reasons; he didn’t know whether or not his family was dead nor was he able to say goodbye to them, everyone he knew from school was dead or gone, and most importantly he was the reason why so many things were going wrong with the group he was now with and why some of them were dead.
By the time Lee was holding onto Ben in the bell tower, Ben had indirectly caused the deaths of four people, one of whom was a child. These deaths, especially that of Katjaa and Duck, were a huge weight on his mind. Maybe he might have been able to live with these deaths had he been a bigger help to the team. But as it was, he felt he was more harm than good to everyone.
So when his life was in Lee’s hands, Ben told Lee to drop him. Not just for his sake, but for everyone else too. He thought the one useful thing he could do was let himself be killed.
And then Lee drops him.
There is something that most people don’t know about suicide. If a person tries to kill themselves in a way that doesn’t instantaneously cause their death, they sometimes decide that they don’t want to die while they are killing themselves. Sometimes they can do something about it, such as throwing up the pills or calling the police after slitting their wrists. Sometimes there’s nothing they can do, such as when they’re hanging themselves or falling from a high place.
When Ben was falling, or when he hit the ground, he realized that he didn’t want to die. He didn’t want to be paralyzed. He didn’t want to be eaten to death by walkers. Even if all of that meant that he’d be useful to the rest of the group or forgiven by Kenny, he wanted to live.
So he screams for Lee to help him. He screams because he’s panicking and he’s scared and he doesn’t want to die. He wants Lee to save him. He wants another chance to make it up to everyone. He wants to be useful while he still breathes.
But it’s too late.
yeah i always thought of ben as being depressed, his desire to make Lee drop him wasn't some redeeming altruistic act of self sacrifice for the good of the group, Ben just simply felt worthless and thought being dead would be better than being alive
A few days ago there was a post asking why, if you choose to let Ben fall to his death, he screams for Lee to help him just before he gets eaten by the walkers. An explanation from the development side of things would show that they were reusing Ben’s lines from when the zombie had attacked him earlier.
But what about from a plot perspective?
Ben might have been suffering from depression for multiple reasons; he didn’t know whether or not his family was dead nor was he able to say goodbye to them, everyone he knew from school was dead or gone, and most importantly he was the reason why so many things were going wrong with the group he was now with and why some of them were dead.
By the time Lee was holding onto Ben in the bell tower, Ben had indirectly caused the deaths of four people, one of whom was a child. These deaths, especially that of Katjaa and Duck, were a huge weight on his mind. Maybe he might have been able to live with these deaths had he been a bigger help to the team. But as it was, he felt he was more harm than good to everyone.
So when his life was in Lee’s hands, Ben told Lee to drop him. Not just for his sake, but for everyone else too. He thought the one useful thing he could do was let himself be killed.
And then Lee drops him.
There is something that most people don’t know about suicide. If a person tries to kill themselves in a way that doesn’t instantaneously cause their death, they sometimes decide that they don’t want to die while they are killing themselves. Sometimes they can do something about it, such as throwing up the pills or calling the police after slitting their wrists. Sometimes there’s nothing they can do, such as when they’re hanging themselves or falling from a high place.
When Ben was falling, or when he hit the ground, he realized that he didn’t want to die. He didn’t want to be paralyzed. He didn’t want to be eaten to death by walkers. Even if all of that meant that he’d be useful to the rest of the group or forgiven by Kenny, he wanted to live.
So he screams for Lee to help him. He screams because he’s panicking and he’s scared and he doesn’t want to die. He wants Lee to save him. He wants another chance to make it up to everyone. He wants to be useful while he still breathes.
But it’s too late.
Glad I pulled him up then. I've seen people drop him, I've seen him scream as he falls to his death, I've seen his head move slightly to show he's still alive, only to be eaten by walkers. Hire this guy TellTale, do it!
80% of people spared Andy St. John and only 62% of people saved Ben.
Like, Ben’s a complete passenger and he accidentally killed a bunch of people, but the St. Johns killed even more people deliberately, tricked most of the group into eating Mark’s legs, caused the death of Larry and were planning to kill the group and trade their meat. Plus Andy himself grabbed Clementine by the hair and held a gun against her head.
Can someone please explain this to me?
So I answered them
I can’t give you a definite answer, but I can try to explain what I think the reason for this is.
Killing or sparing the St. John brothers is, to many people, about succumbing to the darkness that comes with taking revenge. If you choose to kill Danny and Andy, though you will not be as bad as them, a piece of your morality will be lost. Clementine witnessing what you did also plays a factor for people’s choices.
Killing Ben, on the other hand, is influenced by perceiving him as a long term detriment to the group. In the entire game, Ben does more harm than good despite meaning well. Dropping him at the bell tower is seen, to some people, as getting rid of a dangerous burden. Also, Clementine isn’t around when you get to drop him and you don’t have to tell her what you did.
In short:
Killing/Saving the St. Johns = taking revenge or keeping your morals.
Killing/Saving Ben = necessary evil or second chance
"nate only killed those old people because the guy was shooting at him first for no reason!"
ok but
the game heavily implies that nate had been at the pit stop at some point before he came across russell
when nate is trying to convince you to run over to the truck after the first few shots are fired, if you choose, “i’m gonna get shot!”, nate replies: “no you won’t! this guy can’t hit the broad side of a barn!” he seems to know the skill of the sniper (or even the fact that the sniper is an old man), despite only coming across him less than a minute prior.
he seems to know his way around the gas station pretty well, even though he claims he and russ had never been there before and were just “passing through like anyone else.” he knows exactly where to go to take cover from walt’s bullets, and starts almost instinctively walking to the back lot of the diner before russell can even dust himself off. the whole thing just seems very routine, like nate had gone through it before.
the most important tip-off is when russell asks nate what walt is talking about when he accuses nate of attacking them once before. russell says, “a mask? what’s this guy talking about?” nate replies, “fuck if i know, he’s crazy.” russell isn’t convinced, and asks in a very accusatory tone, “have you been here before?” nate doesn’t deny it. he doesn’t say, “no” or “hell no, man!” or anything of that sort. he says, “russell, don’t you start.”
i guess my question is: why would telltale even have russell ask nate if he had been there before if they didn’t want to imply that nate had? why would they have nate reply with dodgy answers if they didn’t want to insinuate that he had something to hide?
we don’t know much about nate’s past or what he had been up to before he came across russell, but i think it’s safe to say that, given the game’s implications, he had come across walt and his wife at least once before the confrontation in russell’s story. then, once he picked up russ, had gone back to do exactly what walt had accused him of: finish them off and take all their stuff.
This is the rebuttal I made
You make very good points, but I would like to make a rebuttal if you don’t mind.
Nate does say that the old man can’t hit very well, but he is wrong. Walt is actually a very skilled shooter. He was able to blow out the tires of Nate’s truck very quickly when Nate and Russell were pushing it; if Russell doesn’t cover for Nate he gets shot pretty fast, which means that Walt can hit a moving target from quite a distance away; and if Russell stands still while trying to go from cover to cover, the man will shoot him pretty quickly as well. He shouldn’t be able to do that if he “can’t hit the board side of a barn”.
If you look at the layout of both in and outside of the diner and gas station, you’d see that it is not very complicated at all. Just a quick look around and Nate would be able to see where to take cover. And when he was covering for Russell, he would have seen Walt shooting from the diner and know to go there.
Telltale would have Russell accuse Nate because that’s one of the ways you can play him. In Russell’s story, you can either be friendly towards Nate or very antagonistic and distrustful. Him asking Nate if he’s been there before would be showing his lack to confidence in the other man. Also, Nate has already said that he hasn’t been there to Walt, so he doesn’t need to say no when Russell asks him if he’s been there before.
If you look at it the with the evidence you put, then it would seem that Nate was there before. But it you look at all the things I’ve said, it wouldn’t seem likely at all. We really don’t know. Maybe it’ll be revealed in season two.
I'd agree that there's nothing conclusive proving whether Nate's been there before one way or another. Nate may well have dismissed Walt's accuracy in an attempt to comfort Russell and encourage him to run for it. Nate does seem to care for Russell, albeit in an odd sort of way.
The gas station doesn't look very complicated, that is true, but Nate still seems to have a pretty good grasp on how to get around there. He wouldn't exactly have a whole lot of time to survey the area, after all.
Ultimately, I believe that Nate had been there before, but it's far from certain. Perhaps we'll find out in Season 2, perhaps not.
It has both pros and cons, but even if he was not there it still makes him a asshole for just killing those folk, and how eager he was to kill them good be a clue.
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Hmm... I've seen some people say that Nate might be a rapist, but honestly I don't think that he is. I believe Nate is a bit of a perv, and if he were hitting on someone it would take alot of "no"s and "leave me alone"s to have him go away, but I don't think that he'd force himself on anyone.
Have you read my analysis posts for Nate? I think they might help you out. Here.
As long as you try your best I'm sure you'll do fine.
An interesting thing that has been said by some fans is that Molly is too unrealistic for the game and doesn’t fit the tone that had been established up to that point. The possible reasons for this mentality are:
With these two qualities, its understandable that she would stick out in people’s minds. But does that make her an unrealistic survivor?
No. Here’s why.
In real life there are people who have the ability to do things and react to situations that others can’t. It doesn’t make them abnormal, it just makes them different. Here’s an example:
In 2011, when the tsunami hit Japan, a man named Hideaki Akaiwa took in upon himself to save not only his family, but also other people that he could find. He did this by putting on a wetsuit and swimming in the dangerous water and damaged homes to save people.
What he did was amazing and something many people couldn’t do. Is he too “Badass" to exist? Does his mentality not fit the “tone" of life? Of course not. Though this may seem like an extreme example to use, it does show that different people act in various ways in any given situation, some of which are more incredible than others.
Molly’s behaviour isn’t unique to her, there must be many people in the apocalypse that act as she did. She just stands out more because she’s the only one in the story that we see acting this way.
I believe in the zombie apocalypse the badasses would be the first to go. So seeing as episode 4 is barely over 3 months in I didn't think she was too unrealistic, but I could see what she does leading to her downfall. Whether it be over confidence in fighting walkers or misjudging a building when she jumps. Hell Lee was a badass and look where that got him.
...You know, when I first read this I didn't agree with you. But thinking about it, I actually understand what you mean.
Why are characters like her considered badass in the first place? One of the reasons is because they put their lives in danger or pull stunts and survive spectacularly. But if they're always putting their lives in danger they'll eventually get hurt or die.
The only way "badasses" would survive long is they were careful and smart about what they were doing, and even still they would be more likely to die sooner than "non-badasses" because of all the risks they take.
Molly is smart and she isn't that reckless, but I can see her falling to her death one day.
Her getting overwhelmed so easily by zombies in Ep4 if not saved proves your point.
There are people who are concerned about Roman appearing in Season 2, since it is very likely that Shel and Becca will be appearing also. They believe that Roman will attempt to kill them if he sees them again. This is a reasonable assumption, after all Becca does say that Roman told everyone that he would come after them if they left.
But are their fears accurate? Will Roman really try to kill them if he sees them again? Before an answer can be attempted, it must be discussed how Roman would see Shel and Becca again.
Roman would not want to move what remains of his group. Even though Shel and Becca left with the RV, and Shephanie tried to steal from them, the group still has enough food, medical supplies, and a safe place to stay. Therefore, Roman wouldn’t be able to see Shel and Becca again, unless offered a safer place for his group to live. Offered by Tavia.
If Roman chose to leave, he and his group would be in the same settlement as Shel and Becca. Which means that he would have an opportunity to kill them if he wanted to.
But would he?
If we look at how he acted in Shel’s story, we see that he never killed anyone because he wanted to. He always felt it was necessary for the foreign man or Stephanie to die. Of course time changes people, as see as how Roman when from being somewhat relaxed to very strict, so he could go from kill only when necessary to killing for personal reasons.
This is what I think would happen. Roman sees Shel and Becca and becomes furious. He wouldn’t kill them though, instead he goes up to them and tells them that he will not allow them to do the same thing to this community as they did to his group. He’d say that if they even moved wrong that he would kill them for it. And then he’d watch Shel and Becca and wait for them to mess up.
It is also a possibility (Though how possible is subjective) that he would tell other people about what the two of them did so that, in Roman’s eyes, they would be prepared to deal with Shel and Becca if they tried anything. He would most likely tell the leaders of the community and not individual people, although he could go around telling everyone what happened. It all depends on how much of a threat he sees Shel and Becca to be.
So would Roman want revenge? I think he would, but he wouldn’t act on it unless they did something to ruin their second chance.
Thank you
I will.
trigger warning: suicide
A few days ago there was a post asking why, if you choose to let Ben fall to his death, he screams for Lee to help him just before he gets eaten by the walkers. An explanation from the development side of things would show that they were reusing Ben’s lines from when the zombie had attacked him earlier.
But what about from a plot perspective?
Ben might have been suffering from depression for multiple reasons; he didn’t know whether or not his family was dead nor was he able to say goodbye to them, everyone he knew from school was dead or gone, and most importantly he was the reason why so many things were going wrong with the group he was now with and why some of them were dead.
By the time Lee was holding onto Ben in the bell tower, Ben had indirectly caused the deaths of four people, one of whom was a child. These deaths, especially that of Katjaa and Duck, were a huge weight on his mind. Maybe he might have been able to live with these deaths had he been a bigger help to the team. But as it was, he felt he was more harm than good to everyone.
So when his life was in Lee’s hands, Ben told Lee to drop him. Not just for his sake, but for everyone else too. He thought the one useful thing he could do was let himself be killed.
And then Lee drops him.
There is something that most people don’t know about suicide. If a person tries to kill themselves in a way that doesn’t instantaneously cause their death, they sometimes decide that they don’t want to die while they are killing themselves. Sometimes they can do something about it, such as throwing up the pills or calling the police after slitting their wrists. Sometimes there’s nothing they can do, such as when they’re hanging themselves or falling from a high place.
When Ben was falling, or when he hit the ground, he realized that he didn’t want to die. He didn’t want to be paralyzed. He didn’t want to be eaten to death by walkers. Even if all of that meant that he’d be useful to the rest of the group or forgiven by Kenny, he wanted to live.
So he screams for Lee to help him. He screams because he’s panicking and he’s scared and he doesn’t want to die. He wants Lee to save him. He wants another chance to make it up to everyone. He wants to be useful while he still breathes.
But it’s too late.
Welp, I regret dropping him even more now. Thanks bro. (Really though, good analysis).
Thank you (Almost everyone on Tumblr is saying that I've made them sad with this one)
Nate IS the greatest!
Give this man a job.
He is
Imagine if Telltale actually gave me a job, I would die! Thanks by the way.
Bioshock what is your avatar picture? It looks awesome! i cant see all of it cuz its a bit small but did you make it it? Cuz its amazing
Oh ok. I'm actually working on a picture of Booker right now!
The way that Telltale made Mark’s character is quiet unseen in comparison to how other story tellers would portray his character.
Mark’s role in the game was clearly for the purpose of being eaten. He was the designated victim that the story needed so that Lee and the others could find out that the St. Johns’ were cannibals. But while other stories would have made Mark be a very flat character because of his role in the story, Telltale made Mark have depth to him.
Yes, we do not know much about Mark’s character. But despite that, he still feels like a real person and not a plot element. From being frustrated with the conflict between the other characters, being weak due to the lack of food, and wanting to make a good impression with the St. Johns’, Mark had life in him.
That is one of the reasons why we are so shocked when we find Mark missing his limbs. We didn’t expect someone with so much life to be taken away in such a brutal fashion, even if we didn’t know him for long.
Mauve shirt. I've never heard that term before.
And thank you.
These are some really good analyses, Visam! Keep up the good work.
Ah Tvtropes. Love that place.
And thank you. I plan to make more when I can come up with more things to write about. I wanted to make an analysis post about Doug but for the life of me I can't think of anything to write.
yeah i always thought of ben as being depressed, his desire to make Lee drop him wasn't some redeeming altruistic act of self sacrifice for the good of the group, Ben just simply felt worthless and thought being dead would be better than being alive
Glad I pulled him up then. I've seen people drop him, I've seen him scream as he falls to his death, I've seen his head move slightly to show he's still alive, only to be eaten by walkers. Hire this guy TellTale, do it!
No, but you know what really surprised me.
80% of people spared Andy St. John and only 62% of people saved Ben.
Like, Ben’s a complete passenger and he accidentally killed a bunch of people, but the St. Johns killed even more people deliberately, tricked most of the group into eating Mark’s legs, caused the death of Larry and were planning to kill the group and trade their meat. Plus Andy himself grabbed Clementine by the hair and held a gun against her head.
Can someone please explain this to me?
So I answered them
I can’t give you a definite answer, but I can try to explain what I think the reason for this is.
Killing or sparing the St. John brothers is, to many people, about succumbing to the darkness that comes with taking revenge. If you choose to kill Danny and Andy, though you will not be as bad as them, a piece of your morality will be lost. Clementine witnessing what you did also plays a factor for people’s choices.
Killing Ben, on the other hand, is influenced by perceiving him as a long term detriment to the group. In the entire game, Ben does more harm than good despite meaning well. Dropping him at the bell tower is seen, to some people, as getting rid of a dangerous burden. Also, Clementine isn’t around when you get to drop him and you don’t have to tell her what you did.
In short:
Killing/Saving the St. Johns = taking revenge or keeping your morals.
Killing/Saving Ben = necessary evil or second chance
"nate only killed those old people because the guy was shooting at him first for no reason!"
ok but
the game heavily implies that nate had been at the pit stop at some point before he came across russell
we don’t know much about nate’s past or what he had been up to before he came across russell, but i think it’s safe to say that, given the game’s implications, he had come across walt and his wife at least once before the confrontation in russell’s story. then, once he picked up russ, had gone back to do exactly what walt had accused him of: finish them off and take all their stuff.
This is the rebuttal I made
You make very good points, but I would like to make a rebuttal if you don’t mind.
If you look at it the with the evidence you put, then it would seem that Nate was there before. But it you look at all the things I’ve said, it wouldn’t seem likely at all. We really don’t know. Maybe it’ll be revealed in season two.
The gas station doesn't look very complicated, that is true, but Nate still seems to have a pretty good grasp on how to get around there. He wouldn't exactly have a whole lot of time to survey the area, after all.
Ultimately, I believe that Nate had been there before, but it's far from certain. Perhaps we'll find out in Season 2, perhaps not.