Clementine getting in the way
This thread may be polarising and/or controversial in some way.
Not my intention.
Do you think Clementine got in the way of what was logical / practical?
For example:
- The St. Johns are trying to kill off Lee's group.
- Player has Lee kill Danny St. John.
- Finds out Clementine was watching.
- Player doesn't kill Andy St. John because of Clementine.
I personally killed Andy St. John, primarily because of the possibility of him hunting down Lee's group for revenge. I also did it because he had a death wish and I had been waiting since the drugstore for an opportunity to show the group who's boss (I know that last part sounds creepy).
I'm not trying to slag-off or have a dig at those who spared Andy St. John because of Clementine or for other reasons.
Its just the way I saw it - killing the St. Johns was the logical thing to do...
Another example would be the Station Wagon situation, but this thread isn't about my opinion - It's about yours...
So, do YOU think Clementine got in the way of what was logical / practical?
Not my intention.
Do you think Clementine got in the way of what was logical / practical?
For example:
- The St. Johns are trying to kill off Lee's group.
- Player has Lee kill Danny St. John.
- Finds out Clementine was watching.
- Player doesn't kill Andy St. John because of Clementine.
I personally killed Andy St. John, primarily because of the possibility of him hunting down Lee's group for revenge. I also did it because he had a death wish and I had been waiting since the drugstore for an opportunity to show the group who's boss (I know that last part sounds creepy).
I'm not trying to slag-off or have a dig at those who spared Andy St. John because of Clementine or for other reasons.
Its just the way I saw it - killing the St. Johns was the logical thing to do...
Another example would be the Station Wagon situation, but this thread isn't about my opinion - It's about yours...
So, do YOU think Clementine got in the way of what was logical / practical?
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yeah. Clem did occasionally get in the way. not much though, not as much as GODDAMNIT BEN. although that's a different reason and type of getting in the way entirely.
What's the point of survival if you become a monster like them ?
As for Clementine getting in the way- well she doesn't exactly STOP you from doing something, she just voices her childish opinion. That's what children do, they see the world as good and evil and are not yet prepared to understand and accept that there are morally grey decisions. I all cases I was quick to shut her down and do the logical thing, which is killing Larry and stealing from the car. I'm not about to let the moral feelings of a child get in the way of the safety of the group. And the said child herself.
The only time Clementine managed to change my mind was at Crawford. I was ready to leave Ben behind, especially after he took the hatchet out of the door. That was stupid EVEN for Ben, and it was the last drop of my patience. But when Clementine said that "we don't leave friends behind" line, I'll admit, it swayed me. That's the ONLY reason Ben did not fall from that belltower in my playthrough.
Killing is bad but with the right reasons in place my conscience can stay clear and even if you are broken as chuck says "your alive" plus they killed people and ate them so even if you kill them your not as bad as them.
My Lee killed them and he didn't become a monster,killing is recommended if the people are evil,I mean in episode 3 we killed like 5 bandits,that didn't make us evil either
But he could easily get his weapons and possibly save danny if you only left him trapped them come and attack the group,you wouldn't want one of your groups blood on your hands thats why I made sure kill him plus he didn't deserve to live anyways.
Yes I completely agree. I like clem but I'm not one of these people who lets her decide everything for me. Sometimes Clem is wrong just like everyone else...
My point exactly, Clem is a compass, a compass guides you but it doesn't control you. Not taking the food is the wrong choice, People forget she is still a child she doesn't understand how everything works,a good parent doesn't always let their child get their own way.
Yeah but in the end , the owner came back and he bit us in the ass ... literally .
Yeah but no one could ever predict that plus if we didn't take it I think some of the group would have straved to death within the week between episode 2 and 3.I mean Kenny said he was nearly fainting because he was so hungry,don't think he or the kids would survive another week
Yeah . Now that I am thinking about it , if Campman din't choose to leave the car in the woods but instead choose to guard it and than later we meet him and ask him if he can share some of his food with us , do you think he would of given us some of his food or he would of just said " Fuck off " and tell us to find our own food ?
But really taking the food was the right choice, there was a 90% chance the owners were dead and 10% they were really dumb and left there car unlocked with no sign/guards or whatever. Plus they must have scavenged food over the last three months, why was this car any different?
Honestly the stranger had lost his kid anyway so I presume the wife would have left him because of that not the food...
I still think I made the right chocie there and at least my Clem ended up alone with no one but has a Hoodie
But, then you get the Brooklyn sweater of SHAME.
I don't know,maybe he and his wife and child would join us at the motor inn?
Shame or not its warm and thats what counts!
Seriously? You have Hitler right in front of you and the only way to stop him is to put a bullet between his eyes, so you do it. Does that mean you're as bad as him?
I killed the brothers for everything they did. It doesn't take away my humanity, or mean I'm as bad as them. It just means I ended a threat.
The threat was already eliminated . Danny was caught in a bear trap and couldn't move , Brenda was dead and Andy was beaten to a bloody pulp and walkers were getting in . The St Johns were finished .
Also , this decision can affect Clem like for example if she is at the community , she might become paranoid and try to kill the 400 Days characters so than they won't become bad guys and hurt her new family ( Omid , Christa and the baby ) just like how the St Johns hurt Mark .
Yes, I noticed that 400 days my actions were much more evil and bad, there was no moral compass.
I thought that Becca can be a moral compass, but Becca is already "bad", When I played Shel's chapter (goddamn, I love her) I tried to be more loyal. But it's not works Becca will never change. I afraid that Clementine will become as Becca. ( That's why I tried to protect Clem from terrible things, when I played as Lee)
I'm not blame her, How can I blame a child? I just tried to makes her more compassionate or more kind, or... I don't know
That's why I don't understand all those Becca haters who want to kill her. For all we know Clem can be like Becca by the day 400. Would those people hate Clem too if that happens?
If Wyatt and his manly beard die or leave, then the group will never be the same again.
If that ever happens we can just hope that Kenny and his awesome mosutache will return.
What...what if Kenny never returns!? :eek:
then he hope for a Nate and his Sideburns.
What? Who want to kill Becca OMG... how...
What if Nate drove off a cliff and died a horrible, gruesome death? :eek:
Then... then... I would hope that Omid will grow awesome beard/moustache.