A vaccine/cure is worthless

edited August 2013 in The Walking Dead
Alot of people fail to bring up one very important thing when it comes to a vaccine. While you can say it would cure the zombie part of you, youd still be missing alot of your important organs. Not to mention you'd be rotted, everything. Sort of like decompression. If you were exposed to mars atmosphere, and everything started getting bloated and swelling, then mars suddenly gained an atmosphere. That wouldnt just go away.

vaccine would be more useful though. However, its something you need to give MANKIND. And given the apocolypse sort of wiped out most forms of communication, thats pretty worthless now.

So while it would be smarter to make a vaccine, only it would be good for survival ONLY. It would not save mankind. A cure would only make the majority of walkers die. Unless it was lee's case where he didnt amputate the arm, and it was almost immediately after he died.

Also, the argument of making a cure that regenerates organs is highly implausible due to the fact that science hasnt gotten that far yet as to create a medicine that can create organs, at least not made public yet. And given circumstances now, its an impossible feet.

So throw any ??? or Mankind thread you want at me, unless the person was hitler level evil, Id go with saving them.

Comments

  • edited August 2013
    What if the cure/vaccine was spread airborne?
  • edited August 2013
    Ben Paul wrote: »
    What if the cure/vaccine was spread airborne?

    again, cure is 100% worthless.

    the vaccine being spread airborne would prevent more walkers, but that doesnt kill the walkers. So basically, you can either kill all walkers currently standing, or you can prevent more walkers from being made.

    Not to mention, it takes more time to spread through the air than one may think.
  • edited August 2013
    Ok, so call every character from TWD, L4D, Dead Rising and some other games to kill all the walkers then. :p
  • edited August 2013
    Step 1. Release cure airborne so if someone dies they don't turn
    Step 2. Kill all remaining walkers
    Step 3. Profit!

    Thats no small feet. And not to mention, a cure is almost impossible to make anyway. The amount of time and people dying would be immense. Overall, when zombies attack, the worlds over...

    unless its like shaun of the dead where the military actually wins and the zombies are actually used to do brainless jobs XD

    I love that movie so much.
  • edited August 2013
    While it may be difficult and arduous to disseminate a vaccine, that doesn't make it worthless. The Walking Dead zombie apocalypse is one of the only ones in which a vaccine is absolutely vital for humanity to be able to rebuild. In almost any other zombie apocalypse, as long as you kill all the zombies, HOORAY! you're done. Here, even once you get rid of all the zombies, as soon as you die, you're just going to replace them. But with a vaccine, there's a chance of humanity outlasting the walkers and getting life back to normal (eventually). For me, vaccine>anybody.
  • edited August 2013
    Actually Robert Kirkmann said that in TWD universe will NEVER have a vaccine.
    The vaccine is a light form of virus in of which gives a person immunity to disease. Again theoretically, scientists may try to invent a vaccine IF they have a sample of the virus in the original form, genetic engineering can do everything, with the proper equipment. But If Kirmkann says "Never" it's ok.
    Why I create my topic Manking or Clem? Just because it was difficult question personally for me, that's all.
  • edited August 2013
    While it may be difficult and arduous to disseminate a vaccine, that doesn't make it worthless. The Walking Dead zombie apocalypse is one of the only ones in which a vaccine is absolutely vital for humanity to be able to rebuild. In almost any other zombie apocalypse, as long as you kill all the zombies, HOORAY! you're done. Here, even once you get rid of all the zombies, as soon as you die, you're just going to replace them. But with a vaccine, there's a chance of humanity outlasting the walkers and getting life back to normal (eventually). For me, vaccine>anybody.

    True enough I suppose, though it still would be very difficult.
  • edited August 2013
    zev_zev wrote: »
    Actually Robert Kirkmann said that in TWD universe will NEVER have a vaccine.
    The vaccine is a light form of virus in of which gives a person immunity to disease. Again theoretically, scientists may try to invent a vaccine IF they have a sample of the virus in the original form, genetic engineering can do everything, with the proper equipment. But If Kirmkann says "Never" it's ok.
    Why I create my topic Manking of Clem? Just because it was difficult question personally for me, that's all.

    I hope I didnt offend the topic you were making. However given the apocolypse, reverse engineering would be rather difficult unless you had the proper people with the proper equipment.
  • edited August 2013
    I don't see how a cure would be worthless. Airborne would be the only surefire way, kind of like what was done in mass effect 3 if you're played that. Sure it wouldn't help the people already dead but as the zombies begin to die out humanity would have a chance to rebuild without the constant threat of turning after dying.
  • edited August 2013
    Dildor wrote: »
    I don't see how a cure would be worthless. Airborne would be the only surefire way, kind of like what was done in mass effect 3 if you're played that. Sure it wouldn't help the people already dead but as the zombies begin to die out humanity would have a chance to rebuild without the constant threat of turning after dying.
    Exactly why I picked Destroy. :)
    STOP THA CYCLE FOREVER
    Sorry, Geth and EDI.
  • edited August 2013
    I hope I didnt offend the topic you were making. However given the apocolypse, reverse engineering would be rather difficult unless you had the proper people with the proper equipment.

    The matter is not in the vaccine, it's all about choice between a little girl whom I love very much (in this story) and mankind. And no matter vaccine, or a magic wand that saves the world, it's doesn't matter.
  • edited August 2013
    zev_zev wrote: »
    The matter is not in the vaccine, it's all about choice between a little girl whom I love very much (in this story) and mankind. And no matter vaccine, or a magic wand that saves the world, it's doesn't matter.

    thats not what THIS topic was about. I mentioned it yea, because its what inspired this topic, not what message i was trying to put out here.
  • edited August 2013
    I know, and I agree that "Cure" is worthless.
    I just explained why I asked this question to myself and to other users of this forum.
  • edited August 2013
    zev_zev wrote: »
    I know, and I agree that "Cure" is worthless.
    I just explained why I asked this question to myself and to other users of this forum.

    Ok ok, sorry if i offended you.
  • edited August 2013
    Ben Paul wrote: »
    Ok, so call every character from TWD, L4D, Dead Rising and some other games to kill all the walkers then. :p

    Don't forget the COD Zombies cast, o wait, THEY DON'T EXIST!!!
  • edited August 2013
    Don't forget the COD Zombies cast, o wait, THEY DON'T EXIST!!!

    Niko Bellic then? :p
  • edited August 2013
    Pretty much, I spent five years playing zombies, loving those characters, liking them to a large degree, maybe not Clem Lee Booker or Elizabeth level but really close, and now how am I going to explain them being in the Fan Fic?
  • edited August 2013
    So since a vaccine would save only a portion of mankind that had not already succumbed to death/death it would be worthless? Wow that's pretty weak. So after most of the population died during the Black Plague the survivors would not care about life or continuing the memory of the recently deceased? If a new super flu wipes out most of us, should everybody cease to give a shit because we're just THAT upset and vain? Wow I feel sorry for people in your state of mind.
  • edited August 2013
    So since a vaccine would save only a portion of mankind that had not already succumbed to death/death it would be worthless? Wow that's pretty weak. So after most of the population died during the Black Plague the survivors would not care about life or continuing the memory of the recently deceased? If a new super flu wipes out most of us, should everybody cease to give a shit because we're just THAT upset and vain? Wow I feel sorry for people in your state of mind.

    People infected with black plague didnt eat other people did they?
  • edited August 2013
    People seem to mistake what im saying.

    A cure is orthless, a vaccine isnt. A vaccine would mak you protected from the diesease, however, it doesnt repel zombies. they still eat people, so even if you were immune dealing with zombies is still a priority. I mean when you get down to it, in a zombie flick most people get eaten alive causing them to die as apposed to a bite really. So getting eaten is a bigger problem than getting infected.
  • edited August 2013
    What would a cure/Vaccine actually do?
    Barely anyone actually dies of bites they more often starve or are ripped to pieces...
    You can't cure your guts being ripped out...
    If people were able to stop coming back when they die what would that actually do?
    All it takes is burning of bodies or shooting dead bodies to prevent walkers...

    If the cure wiped out zombies that isn't really a cure it is really a biological weapon of mass destruction...
    So yes a cure/vaccine wouldn't save anyone really...
  • edited August 2013
    Hudomonkey wrote: »
    What would a cure/Vaccine actually do?
    Barely anyone actually dies of bites they more often starve or are ripped to pieces...
    You can't cure your guts being ripped out...
    If people were able to stop coming back when they die what would that actually do?
    All it takes is burning of bodies or shooting dead bodies to prevent walkers...

    If the cure wiped out zombies that isn't really a cure it is really a biological weapon of mass destruction...
    So yes a cure/vaccine wouldn't save anyone really...

    glad somebody understood what I was saying as appose to Vengeful Kenny. Hope nobody thinks im trying to be an asshole, but the facts are facts.
  • edited August 2013
    A vaccine could have saved Lee. Duck too, and by extension Katjaa. I'm not kidding myself into thinking that the walkers magically turn into healthy human beings, or vanish altogether. The survivors will still have to fight and deal with walkers, yes, but if nobody turns after they die or get bitten, humanity actually has a chance to win. If nobody turns, then the amount of walkers that there are in the world can only decline as they are killed off by survivors and begin to rot away. People CAN still be ripped to pieces, they CAN still starve, but they CAN'T turn. That's a good enough reason for me, personally, to choose the cure/vaccine/magicwhateverthefuck. Humanity actually has a chance to outlast the walkers. Small chance, yes. Possibly VERY small, miniscule even, but it will be better than things are now.

    I think mankind is fucked anyway, but if there's even the slightest chance that it's not, I'm taking it.
  • edited August 2013
    Rock114 wrote: »
    A vaccine could have saved Lee. Duck too, and by extension Katjaa. I'm not kidding myself into thinking that the walkers magically turn into healthy human beings, or vanish altogether. The survivors will still have to fight and deal with walkers, yes, but if nobody turns after they die or get bitten, humanity actually has a chance to win. If nobody turns, then the amount of walkers that there are in the world can only decline as they are killed off by survivors and begin to rot away. People CAN still be ripped to pieces, they CAN still starve, but they CAN'T turn. That's a good enough reason for me, personally, to choose the cure/vaccine/magicwhateverthefuck. Humanity actually has a chance to outlast the walkers. Small chance, yes. Possibly VERY small, miniscule even, but it will be better than things are now.

    I think mankind is fucked anyway, but if there's even the slightest chance that it's not, I'm taking it.

    glad you voiced your opinion while considering the facts. And yea, I feel like a vaccine would be more a tool for survival than it would a solution to the appocolypse.
  • edited August 2013
    Vaccine would be great. It doesn't matter that communication sucks. You could still just walk around and hand it out. It's not like zombies can really get you anymore unless they horde you.
  • edited August 2013
    Harpadarpa wrote: »
    Vaccine would be great. It doesn't matter that communication sucks. You could still just walk around and hand it out. It's not like zombies can really get you anymore unless they horde you.

    No they'll still kill you if they bite you. You just won't turn anymore. Remember, "it's not the bite that does it." You'll still most likely die from the infection.
  • edited August 2013
    No they'll still kill you if they bite you. You just won't turn anymore. Remember, "it's not the bite that does it." You'll still most likely die from the infection.

    yea good point. Even if the walker bite didnt infect you (though given their teeth now I have a feeling thats highly unlikely) the open wound will undoubtadley get infected.
  • edited August 2013
    No they'll still kill you if they bite you. You just won't turn anymore. Remember, "it's not the bite that does it." You'll still most likely die from the infection.


    Unless it isn't a case of komodo dragon mouth and when they bite you it's a fecking great loading dose of the active viral (or prional, or whatever?) agent transmitted, sending the immune system into overdrive killing the individual, a la the cytokine storm situation.

    A vaccine could work in this scenario, if it works with the 'dormant' (or weakened) and 'active' forms of the infection.


    However, dead mouths are still dirty as sin, and the likelihood of sepsis from a bite wound is still pretty likely but it could be survivable, unlike the active agent scenario (w/out a vaccine).

    I'm talking out of my ass, but it's so much fun.
  • edited August 2013
    Rock114 wrote: »
    A vaccine could have saved Lee. Duck too, and by extension Katjaa. I'm not kidding myself into thinking that the walkers magically turn into healthy human beings, or vanish altogether. The survivors will still have to fight and deal with walkers, yes, but if nobody turns after they die or get bitten, humanity actually has a chance to win. If nobody turns, then the amount of walkers that there are in the world can only decline as they are killed off by survivors and begin to rot away. People CAN still be ripped to pieces, they CAN still starve, but they CAN'T turn. That's a good enough reason for me, personally, to choose the cure/vaccine/magicwhateverthefuck. Humanity actually has a chance to outlast the walkers. Small chance, yes. Possibly VERY small, miniscule even, but it will be better than things are now.

    I think mankind is fucked anyway, but if there's even the slightest chance that it's not, I'm taking it.

    This is exactly what I was thinking, was just too lazy to articulate it. The worst part of the walking dead is the fact that the zombies will always win because any people that manage to survive will only do so for so long before biting the bullet and turning anyways.

    If everyone alive was cured of that aspect, they could focus on out-surviving the zombies and it would break the hopeless cycle that all walking dead characters have to deal with. People could start towns again without the fear of the elderly dying in their sleep and starting another outbreak, humanity could push through the apocalypse, no?

    I'm not saying that a cure is plausible, but if one did exist it definitely wouldn't be worthless lol.
  • edited August 2013
    Dildor wrote: »
    This is exactly what I was thinking, was just too lazy to articulate it. The worst part of the walking dead is the fact that the zombies will always win because any people that manage to survive will only do so for so long before biting the bullet and turning anyways.

    If everyone alive was cured of that aspect, they could focus on out-surviving the zombies and it would break the hopeless cycle that all walking dead characters have to deal with. People could start towns again without the fear of the elderly dying in their sleep and starting another outbreak, humanity could push through the apocalypse, no?

    I'm not saying that a cure is plausible, but if one did exist it definitely wouldn't be worthless lol.
    a vaccine wouldnt be worthless, a cure would.
  • edited August 2013
    a vaccine wouldnt be worthless, a cure would.

    The thread title is "A vaccine/cure is worthless"

    so I was just going off that. :p They are kind of the same in my eyes
  • edited August 2013
    Dildor wrote: »
    The thread title is "A vaccine/cure is worthless"

    so I was just going off that. :p They are kind of the same in my eyes

    i meant that in terms of solving the apocolypse
  • edited August 2013
    glad somebody understood what I was saying as appose to Vengeful Kenny. Hope nobody thinks im trying to be an asshole, but the facts are facts.

    Hey, thanks for trying to not be an asshole while specifically calling me out
  • edited August 2013
    Hey, thanks for trying to not be an asshole while specifically calling me out

    Because you insulted me saying things about "people in my state of mind". Im talking about vaccine or cure in the FICTIONAL world of the walking dead. Not reality. You arent exactly the nicest guy either, now im sorry for calling you out, but I dont appreciate being treated like i have no hope for humanity.
  • edited August 2013
    Hey, thanks for trying to not be an asshole while specifically calling me out

    but your right, calling you out wasnt cool. im sorry.
  • edited August 2013
    Its all good, I'm having a pretty rough day so I apologize for snapping
  • edited August 2013
    Its all good, I'm having a pretty rough day so I apologize for snapping

    i know the feeling, we cool?
  • edited August 2013
    We cool
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