True, but the stories still take place in the same region as Georgia. They haven't moved north of D.C., so the stories still take place in Southern US. Current comic book issues happen in Virginia and there's only one state between it and Georgia.
I believe you're oversimplifying a lot of things here. First, you brought up the reconstruction of Germany and although from the outside it would have appeared to have returned to its "former glory" within a few years, the truth of the matter is it could be argued that it took over 30 years for Germany to fully recover from World War II. You bring up other things such as Katrina and say it was resolved in one to two months, but that's not entirely true. Lots of families after the resolution of Katrina went without homes for years after the hurricane hit. To say that area returned to normal after such a short time is slightly ignorant. I personally live on the Jersey shore, and even after over a year of the hurricane that struck my shore, there are still those without homes.
You then bring up things like the dinosaurs and the mass extinction event that happened over millions of years ago. I fail to see any type of correlation here considering the fact that (a) it took millions of years for the earth to have a resurgence of a dominant species such as humans goes against your argument and (b) the human race is not extinct yet.
As others have said, Germany had help reconstructing as well from other countries after the war whereas a worldwide apocalypse means there is no chance of any foreign aid.
If we look at the recovery times of other pandemics across the world, such as the Black death faced by Europe in the 14th century, which is essentially the era that we're in after the zombie apocalypse - it took literally centuries for Europe to recover from the pandemic. Hundreds of millions of people died from the disease. If we consider the zombie apocalypse to be far more deadly than the black death and consider the fact that technology has been set back by more than 100 years, a recovery time of 3 to 10 years is a bit ludicrous.
If I had to make an educated guess on how long it would take for life to return to "normal," I would say anything less than 100 years could be considered a quick recovery. Even so, this recovery would only be in the sense of low-level technology; people certainly wouldn't have iPhones and iPads as luxury items.
Where have I said I don't like TWD? I think its great, but nothing so not too great for improvement, and one area where TWD and other zombiver… moreses have deep issues is just what I was talking about, namely a sense for a timeframe.
Also, I have NOT, repeat not, said Kirkman should have ended the franchise; I do however say that he should do best in ending it within a reasonable timeframe.
So stop slapping opinions on me that only comes from yourself. Please.
If I read the map correctly you can walk from Georgia to Virginia without setting your foot to South Carolina. You can choose if you go through North Carolina, Tennessee or both.
Considering how humans have managed overcome everything thrown at us over time
Homo sapiens have formed civilizations for only a few thousand years out of a couple hundred thousand years of its existence. We have only recently become top of the food chain. That's not even getting into the other species of human that have become extinct. Fun fact: our species almost died out at least once before: http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/10/22/163397584/how-human-beings-almost-vanished-from-earth-in-70-000-b-c We got lucky. The Earth doesn't need us like we need it. It could exist fine without us, if not better.
You reason like this: we haven't seen any aliens from outer space, so there aren't any; this when I rely on empirical evidence on how humans have survived everything else the world has thrown at us, and for the most part kept society together.
I have no idea what this is or what you're trying to say. Anyway, every single living organism you see today has survived everything thrown at it. We have no special right to exist in the grand scheme of things.
And this is exactly the reason for why I get pissed off regarding how different creators including Kirkman see humans: like stupid-as-shit loosers just two meals from barbary. We aren't.
Well, sorry. That's kind of the premise, not a flaw. It's like me reading Robert E. Howard and griping about Conan's pessimism towards civilization and his belief in the inevitability of barbarism. It's art, not science. Things get exaggerated to make a point or explore a certain part of our nature. Yeah, it can get gray or depressing if you consume nothing but this stuff, but that's why you should have a variety of fiction you enjoy. And if you need nauseatingly life-affirming and "up with humanity" works, there's always the Oprah channel, or religion.
Considering how humans have managed overcome everything thrown at us over time and still managed to keep society together shows that humans ar… moree more resourceful than any other creature. A zombie outbreak would be just as much an example of a disaster as anything else we have experienced - its just that this (the zombie outbreak) is fictional, and therefore should be treated like something else. You reason like this: we haven't seen any aliens from outer space, so there aren't any; this when I rely on empirical evidence on how humans have survived everything else the world has thrown at us, and for the most part kept society together.
And this is exactly the reason for why I get pissed off regarding how different creators including Kirkman see humans: like stupid-as-shit loosers just two meals from barbary. We aren't.
you have to realize just how much society has fallen down in the world of the Walking Dead. Most able protectors died within the first weeks and anyone inside a city was basically toast.
The truth is it takes ALOT of manpower to maintain our infrastructure and security
Germany was rebuilt so quickly due to 3 things
1.) though devestated by war the nation was fairly intact and rule of law still existed. though an occupiers law
2.) The world had a vested interest in seeing Germany rebuilt
3.) NATO needed a stable and rebuilt Germany for the cold war/potential wars
For me it matters because it stretches the entire timeframe of the apocalypse to the breaking point - she was 8 when Lee found her and became … more9 about five months later; then add say 22 months and we are looking at an apocalypse that has been going on for three years. This with apparently no one taking the time to fault check even their sheds, build walls around towns and fucking organize! Apparently people become morons as soon as zombies rear their ugly heads, and as a human I'm deeply offended by that - two years after the end of WW2 when most of Germany had been flattened by the war, Germany was up and running pretty much normally again, and I don't see why a zombiecalypse would be any different.
Oh yeah... It's Kirkman's work, and he needs to eat. Sorry, forgot that. He is going to stretch this out until he dies.
I think you are confusing "back to normal" with "what we have today". As I said, there would of course be a huge vacuum after all people who had died in a zombicalypse with probably entire countries empty of people. However, having enormous cities full of people is not what's required by a society: sure there were people in New Orleans who were homeless for quite some time, but the society as such didn't break down. Likewise with the bubonic plague: people died, but the institutions (governments, laws etc) soldiered on.
Another example: During the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century more than a quarter of the Swedish population moved from Sweden to the US, most to never come back. This was a major offset for Sweden - you don't loose 25% of the population without repercussions. But, despite this loss in people, the country was still there, with people staying behind and a government who took the necessary steps to slow the emmigration if not stop it.
So no. I would say that even during a total civilization breakdown, some semblance of society would survive.
I believe you're oversimplifying a lot of things here. First, you brought up the reconstruction of Germany and although from the outside it wo… moreuld have appeared to have returned to its "former glory" within a few years, the truth of the matter is it could be argued that it took over 30 years for Germany to fully recover from World War II. You bring up other things such as Katrina and say it was resolved in one to two months, but that's not entirely true. Lots of families after the resolution of Katrina went without homes for years after the hurricane hit. To say that area returned to normal after such a short time is slightly ignorant. I personally live on the Jersey shore, and even after over a year of the hurricane that struck my shore, there are still those without homes.
You then bring up things like the dinosaurs and the mass extinction event that happened over millions of years ago. I fail to see any type of correlation here considering t… [view original content]
Germany recovered in just two years AFTER the war was over, the zombie apocalypse isn´t over though. In the comics you can see communities of people pretty well organized, with walls, good defenses and such. Also Kirkman has stated that there are zones where people are even better organized, with the military involved and such. The world is a huge place and we are only seeing a tiny portion of it.
For me it matters because it stretches the entire timeframe of the apocalypse to the breaking point - she was 8 when Lee found her and became … more9 about five months later; then add say 22 months and we are looking at an apocalypse that has been going on for three years. This with apparently no one taking the time to fault check even their sheds, build walls around towns and fucking organize! Apparently people become morons as soon as zombies rear their ugly heads, and as a human I'm deeply offended by that - two years after the end of WW2 when most of Germany had been flattened by the war, Germany was up and running pretty much normally again, and I don't see why a zombiecalypse would be any different.
Oh yeah... It's Kirkman's work, and he needs to eat. Sorry, forgot that. He is going to stretch this out until he dies.
Yes, I know about the near extinction - and yet here we are. Funny, innit? So what say we wouldn't be around even after a zombicalypse? Thanks for proving my point by the way.
Regarding this 'art', well, I appreciate it as much as anyone else. But I do have a limited suspension of disbelief, which means that even in the artistic forms like comics or games for that matter, I want something that actually adheres to the real world. And in the real world, people are not two meals from barbary; in the real world people react and act as people, meaning they will organize. They will take counter-measures against any dangers (which, to put this in gaming terms again, is exactly what Carlos did, and the entire group both there and in Crawford, albeit with different methods). I am actually not that big of a fan of humanity, but right should be right - humanity has a tendency to survive.
Funny thing here is, I do think humanity is doomed, but not by zombiefication or disease or such crap, but from destruction of the environment. Not as fun as a zombiecalypse admittedly, but so very real.
(Oh, and even in that case humans will survive, probably until the sun explodes).
Considering how humans have managed overcome everything thrown at us over time
Homo sapiens have formed civilizations for only a few t… morehousand years out of a couple hundred thousand years of its existence. We have only recently become top of the food chain. That's not even getting into the other species of human that have become extinct. Fun fact: our species almost died out at least once before: http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/10/22/163397584/how-human-beings-almost-vanished-from-earth-in-70-000-b-c We got lucky. The Earth doesn't need us like we need it. It could exist fine without us, if not better.
You reason like this: we haven't seen any aliens from outer space, so there aren't any; this when I rely on empirical evidence on how humans have survived everything else the world has thrown at us, and for the most part kept society together.
I have no idea what this is or what you're trying to say. Anyway, every singl… [view original content]
No I think you are the one confused, or you're not articulating yourself effectively. You bring up examples such as Germany, saying things such as "recovered in two years" and then say things such as "back to normal…" When referring to Katrina. So if you don't mean either of those things and "back to normal" doesn't mean "what we have today," then the zombie apocalypse by that definition is "normal." (?)
You have to remember this is a worldwide apocalypse, and as ironic as it sounds there are a lot of things you taking for granted in the comics, the TV show and the game. The way the world works right now is with the worldwide economy. If something happens the United States that crashes the stock market today, places like Australia would be affected.
If we were to extrapolate this line of thinking to the entire world, things that are being used in the franchise right now will cease to exist eventually. The reason I say this is ironic, is the fact that things are going to become far worse in the coming years way before they get better. Such is the fact that most of the guns used today require a precision-based manufacturing process on the bullets used in order to operate. Gasoline will be another affected resource, eventually becoming impossible to find.
Trying to guesstimate when these resources will become scarce would require knowing what the current population is for North America. It can be assumed that these resources will last for a while considering that the population has been dwindled down quite a bit, but I think any time frame longer than 10 years is probably unrealistic.
What is the point to all of this conjecture you may ask? Society is maintained not by the desire to live with one another, as you claim, but it is maintained by having bountiful resources. The minute resources start becoming scarce, wars will break out.
Let's take your current example and theory craft on it a bit: let's ask the question of what would happen if 25% of the Swedish population could not leave Sweden and pursue a better life elsewhere? What do you think what happened in that type of situation? All of your examples and presumptions reside on the fact that outside aid or restitution is available.
You are right though, some semblance of society would survive and has done inside the franchise. Just because we haven't seen it in the game yet does not mean they are not there.
I think you are confusing "back to normal" with "what we have today". As I said, there would of course be a huge vacuum after all people who h… moread died in a zombicalypse with probably entire countries empty of people. However, having enormous cities full of people is not what's required by a society: sure there were people in New Orleans who were homeless for quite some time, but the society as such didn't break down. Likewise with the bubonic plague: people died, but the institutions (governments, laws etc) soldiered on.
Another example: During the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century more than a quarter of the Swedish population moved from Sweden to the US, most to never come back. This was a major offset for Sweden - you don't loose 25% of the population without repercussions. But, despite this loss in people, the country was still there, with people staying behind and a government who took the necessary steps to slow the emmigra… [view original content]
Yes, I know about the near extinction - and yet here we are. Funny, innit? So what say we wouldn't be around even after a zombicalypse? Thanks for proving my point by the way.
I did not prove your point in any way. If we had become extinct, we wouldn't be here to talk about it--no shit. Our species barely making it but for the luck of the draw does undermine your assertion that humanity is immune from the fate of any other animal, however.
And in the real world, people are not two meals from barbary; in the real world people react and act as people, meaning they will organize. They will take counter-measures against any dangers (which, to put this in gaming terms again, is exactly what Carlos did, and the entire group both there and in Crawford, albeit with different methods).
You just contradicted yourself. You're complaining that you're not finding organization in the story and then just cited an example of organization in the story.
(Oh, and even in that case humans will survive, probably until the sun explodes).
That's no more realistic or "better" than an exaggeratedly pessimistic opinion of humanity. Also, our sun doesn't have enough mass to explode, it's destined to bloat up into a red giant and then cool down into a white dwarf. And whatever becomes of our direct genetic lineage billions of years from now, if not wiped out, will most likely not be "human." And you contradict yourself again... "humanity is doomed" but we "will survive."
Look, the general premise of the work is that civilization is merely a veneer. Take that away, and we're just very smart apes. There is just as much real life evidence to support this as there is to counter it. Humans have compassion and seek non-violent mutual cooperation. Humans are also capable of great hate, violence and oppression, often over completely petty things, and just as many times because it's the rational course of action. Humans obey laws. Humans break laws. We are social. We are selfish individualists. We are intelligent and seek to understand and create. We are short-sighted and superstitious, and consume everything in our path.
The above is the breadth of the human experience and I think works like TWD (particularly the comics and the TT game) actually cover all these bases, even if sometimes it chooses to focus on one specific aspect at the expense of another for the sake of drama or narrative clarity. The point of TWD is that it cuts out all the extraneous social and technological "bullshit" to get to the heart of human nature and explores how people get along and don't get along when their lives are in the balance, while still keeping it entertaining to a mainstream audience. It sands humanity down to a sensitive nub, processes it through popular action/adventure sensibilities, and goes from there.
I like it just as much as I like all the corny "humans are speshul" tropes in pop science fiction, which might be more your bag. None of these things should be taken as anthropological dissertations. But that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of truth in them.
Otherwise, I see no point in you getting upset that this genre (post-apocalyptic adventure/drama) is being consistent with itself. It's like complaining that the princess lives happily ever after in a Disney fairy tale.
Yes, I know about the near extinction - and yet here we are. Funny, innit? So what say we wouldn't be around even after a zombicalypse? Thanks… more for proving my point by the way.
Regarding this 'art', well, I appreciate it as much as anyone else. But I do have a limited suspension of disbelief, which means that even in the artistic forms like comics or games for that matter, I want something that actually adheres to the real world. And in the real world, people are not two meals from barbary; in the real world people react and act as people, meaning they will organize. They will take counter-measures against any dangers (which, to put this in gaming terms again, is exactly what Carlos did, and the entire group both there and in Crawford, albeit with different methods). I am actually not that big of a fan of humanity, but right should be right - humanity has a tendency to survive.
Funny thing here is, I do think humanity is doomed, but not by z… [view original content]
Why are here so many people insisting on 2 years. TT gave one clear number 16 months and one vague number (I'd say 3 to 6 months because of how the pregnancy developed)
She's ten. How do some people get to 12?
She just turned 9 at the end of season 1. Start of season 2 is max 6 months later. Add 16 months. Makes not two years. So at most she ist like 2 months before her 11th birthday. She is obviously ten.
season 1 episode 2 says 3 months had passed since Lee and Clem met and had done the whole Macon thing. Then they are on the road and Savannah for another week. Season 2 Christa is about 5 or 6 months pregnant, so I assume something like 5 or 6 months passes. Or maybe 3. Then it is another 16 months so that makes it 16+5+ 3 ~ 24 months, i.e 2 years.
1 months + 16 months = 2 years?
Why are here so many people insisting on 2 years. TT gave one clear number 16 months and one vague number (… moreI'd say 3 to 6 months because of how the pregnancy developed)
That makes 22 months AT MOST. Still not 2 years.
I am perhaps not describing what I mean clearly, and sorry for that - "back to normal" should have been "still working".
I can actually answer what would have happen in the case with the Swedes that couldn't emmigrate to the US: they would have emmigrated elsewhere or in worst case scenario stayed put. The harvest (ie, the resources) were scarce in Sweden during this time, but it wasn't so much starvation that drove them overseas, but the pursuit of getting it better. If all I can eat here is pizza and there's a four star restaurant on the other side of town I might as well go there, but if I stay here for whatever reason, I can at least have pizza. In other words, exactly what I said earlier regarding humanity's everlasting search for something better.
No I think you are the one confused, or you're not articulating yourself effectively. You bring up examples such as Germany, saying things suc… moreh as "recovered in two years" and then say things such as "back to normal…" When referring to Katrina. So if you don't mean either of those things and "back to normal" doesn't mean "what we have today," then the zombie apocalypse by that definition is "normal." (?)
You have to remember this is a worldwide apocalypse, and as ironic as it sounds there are a lot of things you taking for granted in the comics, the TV show and the game. The way the world works right now is with the worldwide economy. If something happens the United States that crashes the stock market today, places like Australia would be affected.
If we were to extrapolate this line of thinking to the entire world, things that are being used in the franchise right now will cease to exist eventually. The reason I say this is ironic, is the… [view original content]
Yes, I know about the near extinction - and yet here we are. Funny, innit? So what say we wouldn't be around even after a zombicalypse? Thanks… more for proving my point by the way.
I did not prove your point in any way. If we had become extinct, we wouldn't be here to talk about it--no shit. Our species barely making it but for the luck of the draw does undermine your assertion that humanity is immune from the fate of any other animal, however.
And in the real world, people are not two meals from barbary; in the real world people react and act as people, meaning they will organize. They will take counter-measures against any dangers (which, to put this in gaming terms again, is exactly what Carlos did, and the entire group both there and in Crawford, albeit with different methods).
You just contradicted yourself. You're complaining that you're not finding organization in the story and then just cited an example of organization in… [view original content]
She just turned 9 at the end ("her birthday was six days ago"). Generous calculating makes it 22 month later (it may be even less). Makes at least 2 months to her 11th birthday. So her 11th birthday is yet to come. That makes her ten.
The three months between episode one and two don't get to be counted again. We have a starting point for calculation at the end of the season. At the end of season one she is 9 years. She just turned 9. And after that there is the 3 to 6 months to bridge to the start of season two. And then the 16 months. So 19 to 22 months after Clems ninth brithday.
season 1 episode 2 says 3 months had passed since Lee and Clem met and had done the whole Macon thing. Then they are on the road and Savannah … morefor another week. Season 2 Christa is about 5 or 6 months pregnant, so I assume something like 5 or 6 months passes. Or maybe 3. Then it is another 16 months so that makes it 16+5+ 3 ~ 24 months, i.e 2 years.
Christa was already pregnant in episode 5 of season 1. So in the intro of season two, 6 months have passed more or less, you can tell that by looking at Christa. So 6 months + 16 months = 22 months have passed. So 1 or 2 months still remains until Clem´s birthday, Probably we are gonna see her birthday in this season.
PD.- Well, in fact we don´t know for how long has been Christa pregnant in episode 5, maybe for 1 month or 2 months i guess. So more than 2 monts would remain until Clem´s birthday.
Episode 2 of season 1 was 3 months into the ZA
Christa looked like she was about 5 to 6 months pregnant
16 months passed
so altogether a… morebout 2 years passed since Clem first met Lee when she was 10 years old - so I would say she is about 12 or 13 years old now.
I'm figuring that Clem's about 10 years and 9 months old, assuming that the opening for Season 2 is only set about three months after Episode Five. But yeah, she's pretty close to 11 now.
well she is 10 because when she was kidnapped in season 1 episode 5 with that guy you took the supplies from the man said "Do you even know her age then Lee said she's 8 then he said wrong she turned 9 six days ago and in the walking dead season two it looked liked the season two episode one was based a few months after Lee's death and was near her birthday so that's my thought on how I see it.
Yes she sounds pretty different. In Season 1 she has a very sing-song voice and in Season 2 she definitely sounds older. It's very fitting for the age gap from Season 1 to 2.
Yes she sounds pretty different. In Season 1 she has a very sing-song voice and in Season 2 she definitely sounds older. It's very fitting for the age gap from Season 1 to 2.
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I don't care how old she is.she's smart,mature,and capable of taking care of herself,and that's the way I like it
There are two states between Virginia and Georgia. North AND South Carolina.
lol she is cursing like Lee for me. During the bathroom scene she exclaimed "Oh Shit!" when she drops the water bottle.
I believe you're oversimplifying a lot of things here. First, you brought up the reconstruction of Germany and although from the outside it would have appeared to have returned to its "former glory" within a few years, the truth of the matter is it could be argued that it took over 30 years for Germany to fully recover from World War II. You bring up other things such as Katrina and say it was resolved in one to two months, but that's not entirely true. Lots of families after the resolution of Katrina went without homes for years after the hurricane hit. To say that area returned to normal after such a short time is slightly ignorant. I personally live on the Jersey shore, and even after over a year of the hurricane that struck my shore, there are still those without homes.
You then bring up things like the dinosaurs and the mass extinction event that happened over millions of years ago. I fail to see any type of correlation here considering the fact that (a) it took millions of years for the earth to have a resurgence of a dominant species such as humans goes against your argument and (b) the human race is not extinct yet.
As others have said, Germany had help reconstructing as well from other countries after the war whereas a worldwide apocalypse means there is no chance of any foreign aid.
If we look at the recovery times of other pandemics across the world, such as the Black death faced by Europe in the 14th century, which is essentially the era that we're in after the zombie apocalypse - it took literally centuries for Europe to recover from the pandemic. Hundreds of millions of people died from the disease. If we consider the zombie apocalypse to be far more deadly than the black death and consider the fact that technology has been set back by more than 100 years, a recovery time of 3 to 10 years is a bit ludicrous.
If I had to make an educated guess on how long it would take for life to return to "normal," I would say anything less than 100 years could be considered a quick recovery. Even so, this recovery would only be in the sense of low-level technology; people certainly wouldn't have iPhones and iPads as luxury items.
If I read the map correctly you can walk from Georgia to Virginia without setting your foot to South Carolina. You can choose if you go through North Carolina, Tennessee or both.
Homo sapiens have formed civilizations for only a few thousand years out of a couple hundred thousand years of its existence. We have only recently become top of the food chain. That's not even getting into the other species of human that have become extinct. Fun fact: our species almost died out at least once before: http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/10/22/163397584/how-human-beings-almost-vanished-from-earth-in-70-000-b-c We got lucky. The Earth doesn't need us like we need it. It could exist fine without us, if not better.
I have no idea what this is or what you're trying to say. Anyway, every single living organism you see today has survived everything thrown at it. We have no special right to exist in the grand scheme of things.
Well, sorry. That's kind of the premise, not a flaw. It's like me reading Robert E. Howard and griping about Conan's pessimism towards civilization and his belief in the inevitability of barbarism. It's art, not science. Things get exaggerated to make a point or explore a certain part of our nature. Yeah, it can get gray or depressing if you consume nothing but this stuff, but that's why you should have a variety of fiction you enjoy. And if you need nauseatingly life-affirming and "up with humanity" works, there's always the Oprah channel, or religion.
Well, he didn't mention the Nazis or Hitler, but I suppose WW2 and post-war Germany count for Godwin's Law.
you have to realize just how much society has fallen down in the world of the Walking Dead. Most able protectors died within the first weeks and anyone inside a city was basically toast.
The truth is it takes ALOT of manpower to maintain our infrastructure and security
Germany was rebuilt so quickly due to 3 things
1.) though devestated by war the nation was fairly intact and rule of law still existed. though an occupiers law
2.) The world had a vested interest in seeing Germany rebuilt
3.) NATO needed a stable and rebuilt Germany for the cold war/potential wars
I think you are confusing "back to normal" with "what we have today". As I said, there would of course be a huge vacuum after all people who had died in a zombicalypse with probably entire countries empty of people. However, having enormous cities full of people is not what's required by a society: sure there were people in New Orleans who were homeless for quite some time, but the society as such didn't break down. Likewise with the bubonic plague: people died, but the institutions (governments, laws etc) soldiered on.
Another example: During the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century more than a quarter of the Swedish population moved from Sweden to the US, most to never come back. This was a major offset for Sweden - you don't loose 25% of the population without repercussions. But, despite this loss in people, the country was still there, with people staying behind and a government who took the necessary steps to slow the emmigration if not stop it.
So no. I would say that even during a total civilization breakdown, some semblance of society would survive.
Germany recovered in just two years AFTER the war was over, the zombie apocalypse isn´t over though. In the comics you can see communities of people pretty well organized, with walls, good defenses and such. Also Kirkman has stated that there are zones where people are even better organized, with the military involved and such. The world is a huge place and we are only seeing a tiny portion of it.
Yes, I know about the near extinction - and yet here we are. Funny, innit? So what say we wouldn't be around even after a zombicalypse? Thanks for proving my point by the way.
Regarding this 'art', well, I appreciate it as much as anyone else. But I do have a limited suspension of disbelief, which means that even in the artistic forms like comics or games for that matter, I want something that actually adheres to the real world. And in the real world, people are not two meals from barbary; in the real world people react and act as people, meaning they will organize. They will take counter-measures against any dangers (which, to put this in gaming terms again, is exactly what Carlos did, and the entire group both there and in Crawford, albeit with different methods). I am actually not that big of a fan of humanity, but right should be right - humanity has a tendency to survive.
Funny thing here is, I do think humanity is doomed, but not by zombiefication or disease or such crap, but from destruction of the environment. Not as fun as a zombiecalypse admittedly, but so very real.
(Oh, and even in that case humans will survive, probably until the sun explodes).
No I think you are the one confused, or you're not articulating yourself effectively. You bring up examples such as Germany, saying things such as "recovered in two years" and then say things such as "back to normal…" When referring to Katrina. So if you don't mean either of those things and "back to normal" doesn't mean "what we have today," then the zombie apocalypse by that definition is "normal." (?)
You have to remember this is a worldwide apocalypse, and as ironic as it sounds there are a lot of things you taking for granted in the comics, the TV show and the game. The way the world works right now is with the worldwide economy. If something happens the United States that crashes the stock market today, places like Australia would be affected.
If we were to extrapolate this line of thinking to the entire world, things that are being used in the franchise right now will cease to exist eventually. The reason I say this is ironic, is the fact that things are going to become far worse in the coming years way before they get better. Such is the fact that most of the guns used today require a precision-based manufacturing process on the bullets used in order to operate. Gasoline will be another affected resource, eventually becoming impossible to find.
Trying to guesstimate when these resources will become scarce would require knowing what the current population is for North America. It can be assumed that these resources will last for a while considering that the population has been dwindled down quite a bit, but I think any time frame longer than 10 years is probably unrealistic.
What is the point to all of this conjecture you may ask? Society is maintained not by the desire to live with one another, as you claim, but it is maintained by having bountiful resources. The minute resources start becoming scarce, wars will break out.
Let's take your current example and theory craft on it a bit: let's ask the question of what would happen if 25% of the Swedish population could not leave Sweden and pursue a better life elsewhere? What do you think what happened in that type of situation? All of your examples and presumptions reside on the fact that outside aid or restitution is available.
You are right though, some semblance of society would survive and has done inside the franchise. Just because we haven't seen it in the game yet does not mean they are not there.
I did not prove your point in any way. If we had become extinct, we wouldn't be here to talk about it--no shit. Our species barely making it but for the luck of the draw does undermine your assertion that humanity is immune from the fate of any other animal, however.
You just contradicted yourself. You're complaining that you're not finding organization in the story and then just cited an example of organization in the story.
That's no more realistic or "better" than an exaggeratedly pessimistic opinion of humanity. Also, our sun doesn't have enough mass to explode, it's destined to bloat up into a red giant and then cool down into a white dwarf. And whatever becomes of our direct genetic lineage billions of years from now, if not wiped out, will most likely not be "human." And you contradict yourself again... "humanity is doomed" but we "will survive."
Look, the general premise of the work is that civilization is merely a veneer. Take that away, and we're just very smart apes. There is just as much real life evidence to support this as there is to counter it. Humans have compassion and seek non-violent mutual cooperation. Humans are also capable of great hate, violence and oppression, often over completely petty things, and just as many times because it's the rational course of action. Humans obey laws. Humans break laws. We are social. We are selfish individualists. We are intelligent and seek to understand and create. We are short-sighted and superstitious, and consume everything in our path.
The above is the breadth of the human experience and I think works like TWD (particularly the comics and the TT game) actually cover all these bases, even if sometimes it chooses to focus on one specific aspect at the expense of another for the sake of drama or narrative clarity. The point of TWD is that it cuts out all the extraneous social and technological "bullshit" to get to the heart of human nature and explores how people get along and don't get along when their lives are in the balance, while still keeping it entertaining to a mainstream audience. It sands humanity down to a sensitive nub, processes it through popular action/adventure sensibilities, and goes from there.
I like it just as much as I like all the corny "humans are speshul" tropes in pop science fiction, which might be more your bag. None of these things should be taken as anthropological dissertations. But that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of truth in them.
Otherwise, I see no point in you getting upset that this genre (post-apocalyptic adventure/drama) is being consistent with itself. It's like complaining that the princess lives happily ever after in a Disney fairy tale.
At least a month or so since season 1 then 16 months so I like to think 2 years has passed. Honestly much liker her we will probably never know
Episode 2 of season 1 was 3 months into the ZA
Christa looked like she was about 5 to 6 months pregnant
16 months passed
so altogether about 2 years passed since Clem first met Lee when she was 10 years old - so I would say she is about 12 or 13 years old now.
1 months + 16 months = 2 years?
Why are here so many people insisting on 2 years. TT gave one clear number 16 months and one vague number (I'd say 3 to 6 months because of how the pregnancy developed)
That makes 22 months AT MOST. Still not 2 years.
She said "Oh shoot" in one of my playthroughs.
how do you go from being 9, 2 years having passed to 10? That would then make it 11. I said 12 because I thought she was around 10 in season 1
season 1 episode 2 says 3 months had passed since Lee and Clem met and had done the whole Macon thing. Then they are on the road and Savannah for another week. Season 2 Christa is about 5 or 6 months pregnant, so I assume something like 5 or 6 months passes. Or maybe 3. Then it is another 16 months so that makes it 16+5+ 3 ~ 24 months, i.e 2 years.
I am perhaps not describing what I mean clearly, and sorry for that - "back to normal" should have been "still working".
I can actually answer what would have happen in the case with the Swedes that couldn't emmigrate to the US: they would have emmigrated elsewhere or in worst case scenario stayed put. The harvest (ie, the resources) were scarce in Sweden during this time, but it wasn't so much starvation that drove them overseas, but the pursuit of getting it better. If all I can eat here is pizza and there's a four star restaurant on the other side of town I might as well go there, but if I stay here for whatever reason, I can at least have pizza. In other words, exactly what I said earlier regarding humanity's everlasting search for something better.
nvm
She just turned 9 at the end ("her birthday was six days ago"). Generous calculating makes it 22 month later (it may be even less). Makes at least 2 months to her 11th birthday. So her 11th birthday is yet to come. That makes her ten.
The three months between episode one and two don't get to be counted again. We have a starting point for calculation at the end of the season. At the end of season one she is 9 years. She just turned 9. And after that there is the 3 to 6 months to bridge to the start of season two. And then the 16 months. So 19 to 22 months after Clems ninth brithday.
Christa was already pregnant in episode 5 of season 1. So in the intro of season two, 6 months have passed more or less, you can tell that by looking at Christa. So 6 months + 16 months = 22 months have passed. So 1 or 2 months still remains until Clem´s birthday, Probably we are gonna see her birthday in this season.
PD.- Well, in fact we don´t know for how long has been Christa pregnant in episode 5, maybe for 1 month or 2 months i guess. So more than 2 monts would remain until Clem´s birthday.
Then she has become a hypocrite.
The same thing happened with me. (In my 'canon' playthrough)
I got that, too, and it made me chuckle. Swear!
I'm figuring that Clem's about 10 years and 9 months old, assuming that the opening for Season 2 is only set about three months after Episode Five. But yeah, she's pretty close to 11 now.
well she is 10 because when she was kidnapped in season 1 episode 5 with that guy you took the supplies from the man said "Do you even know her age then Lee said she's 8 then he said wrong she turned 9 six days ago and in the walking dead season two it looked liked the season two episode one was based a few months after Lee's death and was near her birthday so that's my thought on how I see it.
Yes she sounds pretty different. In Season 1 she has a very sing-song voice and in Season 2 she definitely sounds older. It's very fitting for the age gap from Season 1 to 2.
yeah your right