No, she's not really a realistic depiction of an 8 year old child.
Not that I think is bad or anything, since it wouldn't be half as interesting if she acted like a real 8 year old.
I find season 2 clem more believable than season 1, believe that or not. With 2 years of experience and with the adult guidance she's had, it's not too hard to believe a kid would harden up and learn some things that the kids we're used to would never be able to do.
Clementine wasn't an angel 100% of the time. She did play pranks on Duck and was always a bit hesitant to admit it. So I'd say that children like Clementine exist. She's basically your normal timid girl who's very clingy with her parents. Duck is a more independent kid who clearly spent a lot of time watching cartoons. The both of them beat how most children are presented in media - as the writer's idealized version of a child who acts more like an adult than an actual kid.
Clementine wasn't an angel 100% of the time. She did play pranks on Duck and was always a bit hesitant to admit it. So I'd say that children l… moreike Clementine exist. She's basically your normal timid girl who's very clingy with her parents. Duck is a more independent kid who clearly spent a lot of time watching cartoons. The both of them beat how most children are presented in media - as the writer's idealized version of a child who acts more like an adult than an actual kid.
Yes...yes it is. If you watch the show, its almost the same thing but with more kids. Sophia was dumb though. She was 11 and got attacked less than 10 minutes!
During Season 1, she's pretty much exactly like you'd expect a little girl who spends a lot of time with her parents to be. She has a walkie talkie to stay in contact with them, she idolizes her father to the point of wearing the cap he gave her constantly, and her primary concern above all else is, "where's mom and dad." She isn't idealized because she's imperfect. Her moral view of taking supplies and abandoning people are not ideal for survival situations.
The Clementine in Season 2 is drastically different, and you could argue that she acts older. But you also have to take into account that she's surviving walkers and bandits, fending off starvation and having to grow up a lot faster than any normal girl would. Clementine has seen the very best of humanity and the very worst, they have shaped her from a timid child who is constantly looking for the approval of her caregivers to a girl who will do what it takes to survive. In Season 2 we see her steal what she needs from the group at the cabin, whereas the child from Season 1 would have likely had a very different look on the situation. That said, her behavior isn't idealized - from what we've seen she's very conflicted and having a lot of difficulty. A lot of her hope and trust is just gone, and that's far from any person's idealized view of what a child should be.
What I mean by a child written to be the "ideal" is one who is without flaw; the sort of kid the writer would want as their own child, or what they imagine most adults would see as ideal qualities in their own children (or just children in general). Children can often be used as a means for the writer to suggest what the player should do as the "correct" choice. They develop no real personality of their own, they're just quirky in some small way to mask the fact that they are supposed to be the moral side to an otherwise amoral group or person. Clementine sometimes voiced concerns about what she viewed as right and wrong, but she wasn't there during every moral call. Likewise, a lot of the moral guidance given to you by Clementine was indirect. I often was weighing my choices not because I feared someone would speak up against me, but because I didn't want to worsen Clementine's situation or bring down her mood.
as the writer's idealized version of a child who acts more like an adult than an actual kid.
That's Clementine. Apart from her kid moments she just acts too old.
During Season 1, she's pretty much exactly like you'd expect a little girl who spends a lot of time with her parents to be.
She really isn't. She's way too understanding and acts like an adult quite a few times (ie: when she drags Ben away from the argument over his fate). She doesn't like you killing people or stealing, yet you can give her a one liner and then she'll say "OH OKAY I UNDERSTAND."
Too old? During Season 1 or Season 2?
During Season 1, she's pretty much exactly like you'd expect a little girl who spends a lot of time w… moreith her parents to be. She has a walkie talkie to stay in contact with them, she idolizes her father to the point of wearing the cap he gave her constantly, and her primary concern above all else is, "where's mom and dad." She isn't idealized because she's imperfect. Her moral view of taking supplies and abandoning people are not ideal for survival situations.
The Clementine in Season 2 is drastically different, and you could argue that she acts older. But you also have to take into account that she's surviving walkers and bandits, fending off starvation and having to grow up a lot faster than any normal girl would. Clementine has seen the very best of humanity and the very worst, they have shaped her from a timid child who is constantly looking for the approval of her caregivers to a girl who will do wh… [view original content]
Nope. I find most children to be repulsive, but Clementine felt like my daughter. I had to teach a group of 30 kids Clementine's age Spanish for my Spanish III course for a year. Trust me, it's not even remotely close.
Nope. I find most children to be repulsive, but Clementine felt like my daughter. I had to teach a group of 30 kids Clementine's age Spanish for my Spanish III course for a year. Trust me, it's not even remotely close.
Clementine is awesome. In Season 1 she's as nice, civil, and compassionate as a kid could be. In Season 2 she's more badass than Rambo.
Do you know what this means? It means that if Clem existed in real life, she would outstrip Chuck Norris as the world's most amazing human being... At 11 years of age.
I've worked with a lot of kids before, and none really stick out in my mind, aside from kids who were my friends years ago (a couple of which have become dickish teenaged alcoholics, by the way, showing my choice in good people), but I was a kid then, and I was not like Clementine.
You would probably leave home a lot more, actually. Considering that mice and rats are hideous things that crawl into your walls and make a shit ton of noise.
She's dead in the show? Damn. Largely every scene I've seen with Carl in it has involved Sophia. Then again, I haven't seen past the prison group being separated or killed yet.
I worked with a non-profit reading program for kids that made books available to them. I worked with many kids there and there were a couple kids that had all the qualities you listed. I don't like when people talk down to "this generation" because there are plenty of kids who are perfectly fine. Everyone acts like every kid they see is a brat.
That really isn't acting like an adult, though. If you have siblings or if you've watched your parents argue before, you know to walk away from that. It isn't exactly an instinct you learn when you get older. If there's an argument going on, you'll grab your younger sibling and pull them to another room so they won't have to hear it/won't get scared. Really, ask anyone who's had younger siblings and been around parents who argue. Telling Clementine to let killing or stealing go isn't just, "Okay, I understand." It usually ends with a disappointing look from Clementine, and her reluctantly saying that she understands. It also skews her later choices and ideas on morality versus survival. Clementine isn't a super bold child; she's timid, like I said. She hardly comes across as the type to argue over something, at least if Lee responds to her initial statements strongly. No written child is realistic, but I'd hardly call that behavior "too adult" or "too idealized" for Clementine. It was the sort of personality she had from the beginning, and you could tell.
Even if Clementine is an only child it isn't a stretch to imagine her having to distract Duck during the three months filled with Kenny and Lilly bickering.
This threads about season 1.
During Season 1, she's pretty much exactly like you'd expect a little girl who spends a lot of time with he… morer parents to be.
She really isn't. She's way too understanding and acts like an adult quite a few times (ie: when she drags Ben away from the argument over his fate). She doesn't like you killing people or stealing, yet you can give her a one liner and then she'll say "OH OKAY I UNDERSTAND."
Kids like that don't exist.
Statistically speaking there has got to be another child similar to Clementine somewhere is the world but i don't think you would find someone 100% exactly like her but she was partly based to one of the art directors daughter
Clementine's design was based on art director Derek Sakai's own daughter. Sakai described her as having "a crazy sense of fashion", selecting beloved clothing items to wear regularly. As such, Clementine was given an iconic baseball hat that serves as her connection to her parents.[1] Sakai provided Vanaman with other advice from his fatherhood, offering that Clementine would appear smarter if she did not say as much, while still pointing out character flaws should one get out of line.
You would probably leave home a lot more, actually. Considering that mice and rats are hideous things that crawl into your walls and make a shit ton of noise.
No, I will try and raise my child like that but every child around that age I have know, siblings, nephews just kids in general have been little shits. I don't expect kids to be perfect but it's about that age they start testing the boundaries and developing a mind of their own if not even sooner.
She's dead in the show? Damn. Largely every scene I've seen with Carl in it has involved Sophia. Then again, I haven't seen past the prison group being separated or killed yet.
Clementine-"He's always blaming me for stuff!" Lee-"Like what?" Clementine-"Putting a bug in his pillow." Lee-"Did you do it?"
We can only hope that such a wonderful person exists
I feel like any kid would be like Clementine in a zombie apocalypse. She was put into a position were her parents were missing, her once regular life as a normal child was gone, and she had to follow a bunch of strangers around that she knew only for a few months. Clementine is smart, but I'm sure most of the time she was confused and in silence because she didn't have anything to say. Duck was with his parents and he acted like a normal kid would because he had everything. It's hard to tell Clementine's personality because she is always in a crappy mood and she has every right to be, but when she was with Lee she was happy and she seemed talkative and asking questions like Duck. Clementine is a good kid but the stuff shes been through has made her mature faster.
Exactly. Most kids are kids, but if the situation is bad, they tend to grow up very quickly - I have seen really young children smoking like chimneys and comfortably carrying AK47's that are taller than them.
And it doesn't need to be warzone-bad even - if the child is left alone with a drunk mom, no siblings and no dad, s/he will also quickly grow up and learn to take care of whatever needs to be done. They are pretty much Clem.
I feel like any kid would be like Clementine in a zombie apocalypse. She was put into a position were her parents were missing, her once regul… morear life as a normal child was gone, and she had to follow a bunch of strangers around that she knew only for a few months. Clementine is smart, but I'm sure most of the time she was confused and in silence because she didn't have anything to say. Duck was with his parents and he acted like a normal kid would because he had everything. It's hard to tell Clementine's personality because she is always in a crappy mood and she has every right to be, but when she was with Lee she was happy and she seemed talkative and asking questions like Duck. Clementine is a good kid but the stuff shes been through has made her mature faster.
Oh, I guess I can see how some people don't like it. I think it's actually very good. Well, I think it's probably the best show on TV(Yes, better than Breaking Bad).
Oh, I guess I can see how some people don't like it. I think it's actually very good. Well, I think it's probably the best show on TV(Yes, better than Breaking Bad).
Why not? Trust me, with the right evidence, I really do switch sides. For example, I used to stubbornly hate hip hop, then I was shown the person that I was thinking was the worst of the worst, and I completely flip-flopped.
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Omg I was going to say that! Lol I would be left speechless. Chucky Cheese would be worse though haha
Careful, while you're typing this Clem is sneaking up behind you with a meat cleaver.
(His name isn't Chucky Cheese its Chuck E. Cheese its kinda stupid IMO) If Chuck E. Cheese was real I would never leave home lol
No, she's not really a realistic depiction of an 8 year old child.
Not that I think is bad or anything, since it wouldn't be half as interesting if she acted like a real 8 year old.
I find season 2 clem more believable than season 1, believe that or not. With 2 years of experience and with the adult guidance she's had, it's not too hard to believe a kid would harden up and learn some things that the kids we're used to would never be able to do.
All kids are annoying. Even Clementine had her moments when she wasnt being an angel.
Clementine wasn't an angel 100% of the time. She did play pranks on Duck and was always a bit hesitant to admit it. So I'd say that children like Clementine exist. She's basically your normal timid girl who's very clingy with her parents. Duck is a more independent kid who clearly spent a lot of time watching cartoons. The both of them beat how most children are presented in media - as the writer's idealized version of a child who acts more like an adult than an actual kid.
That's Clementine. Apart from her kid moments she just acts too old.
Sophia is actually still alive in the Comics.
Too old? During Season 1 or Season 2?
During Season 1, she's pretty much exactly like you'd expect a little girl who spends a lot of time with her parents to be. She has a walkie talkie to stay in contact with them, she idolizes her father to the point of wearing the cap he gave her constantly, and her primary concern above all else is, "where's mom and dad." She isn't idealized because she's imperfect. Her moral view of taking supplies and abandoning people are not ideal for survival situations.
The Clementine in Season 2 is drastically different, and you could argue that she acts older. But you also have to take into account that she's surviving walkers and bandits, fending off starvation and having to grow up a lot faster than any normal girl would. Clementine has seen the very best of humanity and the very worst, they have shaped her from a timid child who is constantly looking for the approval of her caregivers to a girl who will do what it takes to survive. In Season 2 we see her steal what she needs from the group at the cabin, whereas the child from Season 1 would have likely had a very different look on the situation. That said, her behavior isn't idealized - from what we've seen she's very conflicted and having a lot of difficulty. A lot of her hope and trust is just gone, and that's far from any person's idealized view of what a child should be.
What I mean by a child written to be the "ideal" is one who is without flaw; the sort of kid the writer would want as their own child, or what they imagine most adults would see as ideal qualities in their own children (or just children in general). Children can often be used as a means for the writer to suggest what the player should do as the "correct" choice. They develop no real personality of their own, they're just quirky in some small way to mask the fact that they are supposed to be the moral side to an otherwise amoral group or person. Clementine sometimes voiced concerns about what she viewed as right and wrong, but she wasn't there during every moral call. Likewise, a lot of the moral guidance given to you by Clementine was indirect. I often was weighing my choices not because I feared someone would speak up against me, but because I didn't want to worsen Clementine's situation or bring down her mood.
This threads about season 1.
She really isn't. She's way too understanding and acts like an adult quite a few times (ie: when she drags Ben away from the argument over his fate). She doesn't like you killing people or stealing, yet you can give her a one liner and then she'll say "OH OKAY I UNDERSTAND."
Kids like that don't exist.
Nope. I find most children to be repulsive, but Clementine felt like my daughter. I had to teach a group of 30 kids Clementine's age Spanish for my Spanish III course for a year. Trust me, it's not even remotely close.
That sounds like it was absolute hell!
it does!
A child as badass as this? Don't think so
Clementine is awesome. In Season 1 she's as nice, civil, and compassionate as a kid could be. In Season 2 she's more badass than Rambo.
Do you know what this means? It means that if Clem existed in real life, she would outstrip Chuck Norris as the world's most amazing human being... At 11 years of age.
I've worked with a lot of kids before, and none really stick out in my mind, aside from kids who were my friends years ago (a couple of which have become dickish teenaged alcoholics, by the way, showing my choice in good people), but I was a kid then, and I was not like Clementine.
You would probably leave home a lot more, actually. Considering that mice and rats are hideous things that crawl into your walls and make a shit ton of noise.
She's dead in the show? Damn. Largely every scene I've seen with Carl in it has involved Sophia. Then again, I haven't seen past the prison group being separated or killed yet.
I worked with a non-profit reading program for kids that made books available to them. I worked with many kids there and there were a couple kids that had all the qualities you listed. I don't like when people talk down to "this generation" because there are plenty of kids who are perfectly fine. Everyone acts like every kid they see is a brat.
Nah, a real life SpongeBob would murder our childhoods and kids' dreams and give everyone nightmares:
That really isn't acting like an adult, though. If you have siblings or if you've watched your parents argue before, you know to walk away from that. It isn't exactly an instinct you learn when you get older. If there's an argument going on, you'll grab your younger sibling and pull them to another room so they won't have to hear it/won't get scared. Really, ask anyone who's had younger siblings and been around parents who argue. Telling Clementine to let killing or stealing go isn't just, "Okay, I understand." It usually ends with a disappointing look from Clementine, and her reluctantly saying that she understands. It also skews her later choices and ideas on morality versus survival. Clementine isn't a super bold child; she's timid, like I said. She hardly comes across as the type to argue over something, at least if Lee responds to her initial statements strongly. No written child is realistic, but I'd hardly call that behavior "too adult" or "too idealized" for Clementine. It was the sort of personality she had from the beginning, and you could tell.
Even if Clementine is an only child it isn't a stretch to imagine her having to distract Duck during the three months filled with Kenny and Lilly bickering.
What was the point of this thread again?
Statistically speaking there has got to be another child similar to Clementine somewhere is the world but i don't think you would find someone 100% exactly like her but she was partly based to one of the art directors daughter
Lol true true
Oh god have you seen the real life Patrick video? shudders
No, I will try and raise my child like that but every child around that age I have know, siblings, nephews just kids in general have been little shits. I don't expect kids to be perfect but it's about that age they start testing the boundaries and developing a mind of their own if not even sooner.
read the thread title lol
Credit to the parents for raising the perfect child.
She died BEFORE the prison. So how did you not know Sophia was dead?
Because I've watched only two episodes of the show. It bored the shit out of me.
Clementine-"He's always blaming me for stuff!" Lee-"Like what?" Clementine-"Putting a bug in his pillow." Lee-"Did you do it?"
We can only hope that such a wonderful person exists
I feel like any kid would be like Clementine in a zombie apocalypse. She was put into a position were her parents were missing, her once regular life as a normal child was gone, and she had to follow a bunch of strangers around that she knew only for a few months. Clementine is smart, but I'm sure most of the time she was confused and in silence because she didn't have anything to say. Duck was with his parents and he acted like a normal kid would because he had everything. It's hard to tell Clementine's personality because she is always in a crappy mood and she has every right to be, but when she was with Lee she was happy and she seemed talkative and asking questions like Duck. Clementine is a good kid but the stuff shes been through has made her mature faster.
Exactly. Most kids are kids, but if the situation is bad, they tend to grow up very quickly - I have seen really young children smoking like chimneys and comfortably carrying AK47's that are taller than them.
And it doesn't need to be warzone-bad even - if the child is left alone with a drunk mom, no siblings and no dad, s/he will also quickly grow up and learn to take care of whatever needs to be done. They are pretty much Clem.
Oh, I guess I can see how some people don't like it. I think it's actually very good. Well, I think it's probably the best show on TV(Yes, better than Breaking Bad).
Definitely not. The comic is decent at best, and the show is supposed to be worse than the comic.
Wow, I totally disagree, and since our views are so different, I don't think there's any point in continuing this conversation.
Why not? Trust me, with the right evidence, I really do switch sides. For example, I used to stubbornly hate hip hop, then I was shown the person that I was thinking was the worst of the worst, and I completely flip-flopped.
I'm right here people.
Sure. Too bad you ain't Clementine.